Bamacare continues.

[Ironcitysteelers]

So today my wife get a letter from her job, stating that her spouse will no longer be covered if he is employed and have the option to have insurance under them. Well, there is a reason we are covered under her job, it's relativity ok coverage. Notice how I didn't say great or good. Now our payroll costs per will double, and me going under mine is outrageous. The only good thing is I rarely go to the dr.

Yeah BO. **** those who contribute to society, those that pay taxes, those that work damn hard to get through. Let me continue to pay for the dregs more and more.

 

[hamster]

The other thing is , you will have two separate deductibles, which have become outrageous in themselves. Unless you have some catastrophic illness,you will be paying for your own heath services, plus paying the salaries of health insurance employees at the same time.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

The other thing is , you will have two separate deductibles, which have become outrageous in themselves. Unless you have some catastrophic illness,you will be paying for your own heath services, plus paying the salaries of health insurance employees at the same time.

Yup. So my out of pocket total we nt from (guess) 5-6gs to 12.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

How is this change? How is this better? How is anything this has done better? **** him

 

[Steelerfan]

So today my wife get a letter from her job, stating that her spouse will no longer be covered if he is employed and have the option to have insurance under them. Well, there is a reason we are covered under her job, it's relativity ok coverage. Notice how I didn't say great or good. Now our payroll costs per will double, and me going under mine is outrageous. The only good thing is I rarely go to the dr.

Yeah BO. **** those who contribute to society, those that pay taxes, those that work damn hard to get through. Let me continue to pay for the dregs more and more.

Racist!

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Yep. Once everything is final and I have to take my employer's healthcare instead of Tricare, the ONLY premium I can afford is 20 bucks a paycheck....WITH a $6,000 deductible. The one with the smallest deductible takes $200 a PAYCHECK out....out of a paycheck that nets $550. That deductible is 1500. This is only for ONE person. ONE. And according to the website, I make too much money to qualify for a gov't subsidy (not that I would take one anyway). This is the part of being single that scares the **** out of me. I really am scared.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

If you Republicans had just voted for single payer in the first place, you wouldn't be in it with this half assed cluster ****.

 

[SteelChip]

If you Republicans had just voted for single payer in the first place, you wouldn't be in it with this half assed cluster ****.

Yah..whoopee, medicaid-VA healthcare for everybody. What's not to get excited about that, it's free and you get treated eventually..maybe.

 

[DBS1970]

If you Republicans had just voted for single payer in the first place, you wouldn't be in it with this half assed cluster ****.

Except that it isn't a legitimate function of government to be providing insurance coverage to anyone. In fact the reason why healthcare costs so much is because of government interference.

 

[oneforthebus]

If you Republicans had just voted for single payer in the first place, you wouldn't be in it with this half assed cluster ****.

Said the supposed civil libertarian. LMAO.

 

[Rod Farva]

Except that it isn't a legitimate function of government to be providing insurance coverage to anyone. In fact the reason why healthcare costs so much is because of government interference.

Said the supposed civil libertarian. LMAO.

Can I get an Amen?

 

[IndySteel]

Can I get an Amen?

Amen!

 

[Roy92040]

Keep in mind this is the affordable care act

 

[Turd Ferguson]

How is this change? How is this better? How is anything this has done better? **** him

It's better because now poor people get free healthcare....you racist.

 

[21STEELERS21]

This has been going on long before Obamacare. Healthcare is too expensive in the United States and we have
largely put this expense on the back of businesses. It's the leading reason jobs leave the USA. US companies can
move to countries where the government covers health cost and they can drop the 6K to 14K cost per year
per employee.

 

[CoolieMan]

This has been going on long before Obamacare. Healthcare is too expensive in the United States and we have
largely put this expense on the back of businesses. It's the leading reason jobs leave the USA. US companies can
move to countries where the government covers health cost and they can drop the 6K to 14K cost per year
per employee.

and where does the government get the money to "cover" for healthcare????????????

 

[oneforthebus]

and where does the government get the money to "cover" for healthcare????????????

From evil rich people of course, who all have money from their big evil inheritances!

I can't wait til everybody gets for free the healthcare, education, retirement, food, housing and cell phones that some of us have actually had to earn...it's gonna be great! Who needs incentives to work hard and better ourselves? Let the rich people pay for it all while the rest of us sit on our ***** and collect!

 

[Rod Farva]

This has been going on long before Obamacare. Healthcare is too expensive in the United States and we have
largely put this expense on the back of businesses. It's the leading reason jobs leave the USA. US companies can
move to countries where the government covers health cost and they can drop the 6K to 14K cost per year
per employee.

I'd argue that gubmint regulation and excessive taxation are the culprits.

 

[21STEELERS21]

The per capita cost of Healthcare when Regan was President was $1,000 per year and now it is $8,700 per year.
870% increase. I'm sure the insurance execs and pharmaceutical execs want you to believe regulation is at fault.
It can't go up 870% without everyone's hands being in the cookie jar. It's time to put a lid on the cookie jar.

 

[Max Power]

Bad enough I have to pay through the roof for coverage that gives me nothing AND I've got to pay for those who don't deserve it and get it FREE along with a Phone AND a roof over their head. If I'm footing the bills with my taxes, I'd prefer these people work for it.

Now they've got Free heath coverage, a phone and a place to live and if in NYC they can now piss in the street without care while living up to their potential.

**** Obama and ANYONE who ever supports him. He is a disgrace.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Except that it isn't a legitimate function of government to be providing insurance coverage to anyone. In fact the reason why healthcare costs so much is because of government interference.

Says who? Health care and education are infrastructure issues. You have serious budgetary and taxation problems that hurt the economy as a result of the health care mess. I don't hear you complaining about the FDIC which keeps your bank from taking all your money when the economy dips.

Baseline coverage to stabilize a volatile market and reduce the massively expanding costs of health care would neither bankrupt the industry nor harm the consumer. The situation you have now, where people are being forced into and out of private coverages is far worse. Doing nothing would have continued the ongoing emergency room disaster we already had.

This is a fixable problem. Screaming "socialism" at the top of your lungs is not a solution.

Said the supposed civil libertarian. LMAO.

I've noticed that most of you don't know the difference between Civil Libertarianism and Anarcho Capitalism.

You've got the two confused.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

The per capita cost of Healthcare when Regan was President was $1,000 per year and now it is $8,700 per year.
870% increase. I'm sure the insurance execs and pharmaceutical execs want you to believe regulation is at fault.
It can't go up 870% without everyone's hands being in the cookie jar. It's time to put a lid on the cookie jar.

Rising health costs are not the fault of health insurance companies. Health companies are in competition. They want to charge the lowest price possible so that your employer chooses them for their employees. Just like car insurance, health insurance companies will cover whatever you want, it just costs more for better coverage.

Here's the shocker
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...eally-pays-for-health-care-might-surprise-you

5) The insurance company is always the bad guy.

Human resources departments often trash-talk the company's insurance plan when telling employees the network of doctors shrank, the deductible rose or certain procedures aren't covered.

But more than half of all workers with health coverage are enrolled in so-called self-insured plans where the employer pays medical bills directly. The insurance company only processes claims.

If your company has at least 500 workers it is probably self-insured

In such plans the employer is the insurance company. And it's the employer calling the shots.

 

[DBS1970]

Says who? Health care and education are infrastructure issues. You have serious budgetary and taxation problems that hurt the economy as a result of the health care mess. I don't hear you complaining about the FDIC which keeps your bank from taking all your money when the economy dips.
I'm
Baseline coverage to stabilize a volatile market and reduce the massively expanding costs of health care would neither bankrupt the industry nor harm the consumer. The situation you have now, where people are being forced into and out of private coverages is far worse. Doing nothing would have continued the ongoing emergency room disaster we already had.

This is a fixable problem. Screaming "socialism" at the top of your lungs is not a solution.



I've noticed that most of you don't know the difference between Civil Libertarianism and Anarcho Capitalism.

You've got the two confused.

Primary education is a state issue not a Federal one. And I do have a problem with FDIC as part of the whole fractional banking Federal Reserve Bank debacle, but I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole in this thread. The issue here is that government policy has driven up the cost of healthcare and health insurance. Then added yet another level to the already labyrinthine regulations that have driven costs up further. As to why it isn't a legitimate function of government there are a couple of salient points. First their is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the national government to run a health insurance program. Second for legal and moral issues it is wrong for politicians to take the wealth and property of one citizen to give directly to the benifit of someone else. As for the civil Iiberties angle the government can not force you to buy cotton so how can it force you to buy health insurance? And further we realy don't want Pols doling out who gets what for medical treatment.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Primary education is a state issue not a Federal one.

This is a silly argument. Government interference is government interference. In the case of education, minimum standards for federal funds makes sense. States can always refuse said funds. I wouldn't want to live in one of those 3rd world states.

And I do have a problem with FDIC as part of the whole fractional banking Federal Reserve Bank debacle, but I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole in this thread. The issue here is that government policy has driven up the cost of healthcare and health insurance. Then added yet another level to the already labyrinthine regulations that have driven costs up further

Government regulation of the health care industry has indeed reached the point of one too many pins in the cushion. Most of it could be reduced to informed consent. It would be both more effective and more efficient.

. As to why it isn't a legitimate function of government there are a couple of salient points. First their is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the national government to run a health insurance program.

There's nothing in the Constitution that authorizes them to build highways either. Unless it conflicts with one of the other rights guaranteed in the Constitution, government action is not de facto prohibited by it's lack of expressed authorization by the Constitution.

Second for legal and moral issues it is wrong for politicians to take the wealth and property of one citizen to give directly to the benifit of someone else. As for the civil Iiberties angle the government can not force you to buy cotton so how can it force you to buy health insurance? And further we realy don't want Pols doling out who gets what for medical treatment.

Pragmatically speaking, what you're proposing would result in a massive burden upon society. Social Security. We have it to prevent herds of old people wandering our streets. Yes, that's government redistribution. But it's necessary to maintain the first world quality of life Americans are accustomed to. Abolish it and you'd have a homeless problem of epic proportions. Sometimes you have to accept the lesser of two unfavorable options.

Same goes with single payer. It's the most pragmatic solution to the problem. Does having to buy insurance suck? Sure it does. But the alternative is equally ******, if not worse. The emergency room crisis we had before Obamacare, and now the clusterfuck that IS Obamacare. And truth be told, I don't know if it has even solved the first problem.

Sometimes you can't do what's ideal because you have to do what actually works. If you had 100 million dollars you could sail around the world on a yacht full of honeys. But you don't, so you gotta get up and go to work tomorrow. That's the pragmatic reality. Such is the nature of single payer.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

The day that Jimmeh Carter made a FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION is the day our education system began to go down the tubes. The Federal Gov't has NO PLACE in education.