Bamacare continues.

[Rod Farva]

This is a silly argument. Government interference is government interference. In the case of education, minimum standards for federal funds makes sense. States can always refuse said funds. I wouldn't want to live in one of those 3rd world states.

Done by anyone other than government that is blackmail. The civil libertarian in you must be snoozing.


Government regulation of the health care industry has indeed reached the point of one too many pins in the cushion. Most of it could be reduced to informed consent. It would be both more effective and more efficient.



There's nothing in the Constitution that authorizes them to build highways either. Unless it conflicts with one of the other rights guaranteed in the Constitution, government action is not de facto prohibited by it's lack of expressed authorization by the Constitution.



Pragmatically speaking, what you're proposing would result in a massive burden upon society. Social Security. We have it to prevent herds of old people wandering our streets. Yes, that's government redistribution. But it's necessary to maintain the first world quality of life Americans are accustomed to. Abolish it and you'd have a homeless problem of epic proportions. Sometimes you have to accept the lesser of two unfavorable options.
Huh. As a "fellow" civil libertarian" I believe in allowing people the power to keep and invest their own money at more than the paltry growth rate at which SS grows. I also believe in trusting people to be able to take care of themselves. What I don't believe in is trusting the ability or honesty of government to do anything better than the average person.
Same goes with single payer. It's the most pragmatic solution to the problem. Does having to buy insurance suck? Sure it does. But the alternative is equally ******, if not worse. The emergency room crisis we had before Obamacare, and now the clusterfuck that IS Obamacare. And truth be told, I don't know if it has even solved the first problem.

Sometimes you can't do what's ideal because you have to do what actually works. If you had 100 million dollars you could sail around the world on a yacht full of honeys. But you don't, so you gotta get up and go to work tomorrow. That's the pragmatic reality. Such is the nature of single payer.

The government forcing anyone to buy anything is un Constitutional. We seem to forget that that document was carefully crafted much more to limit the governments power and duties than it was ours. But lawyers and those who see opportunities to gain power and wealth by bastardizing language and intent have contorted and extorted it.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

The government forcing anyone to buy anything is un Constitutional. We seem to forget that that document was carefully crafted much more to limit the governments power and duties than it was ours. But lawyers and those who see opportunities to gain power and wealth by bastardizing language and intent have contorted and extorted it.

Wasn't Gruber's whole deception that wasn't presented to the people was this is a new tax. It was argued in front of the Supreme Court...this is a tax. The Government is not forcing poor people to buy insurance....it's just an additional tax on the workers.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The day that Jimmeh Carter made a FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION is the day our education system began to go down the tubes. The Federal Gov't has NO PLACE in education.

Or in...

Trains - Amtrak - perpetually bankrupt
Banking - FDIC - banking meltdown, anyone?
Mail - US Postal Service - can't make a dime or keep up with competitors
Healthcare - the VA, ObamaCare
Education (as you've said) - common core, declining scores for decades, spending $17,000/year per student in places like Baltimore, and declining performance
Welfare Management - trillions spent, not a dent in poverty

I could go on. Fact remains, the Government is too full of waste and bureaucracy to run anything that should operate as a business. And when capitalism competes, capitalism wins.

I've left out dozens and dozens of examples. Please feel free to add to the list.

 

[oneforthebus]

I've noticed that most of you don't know the difference between Civil Libertarianism and Anarcho Capitalism.

You've got the two confused.

You seem to be advocating that there are only two options...centralized federal government control of virtually everything, and anarchy.

Government has a role, but in a free society it should be a strictly defined and limited one. Government spending is at around 34% of GDP...federal spending at 20%. Federal spending has grown 63% faster than inflation over the past 20 years. At what level do you, as a so-called civil libertarian, feel that government has too big a role? When it spends 40% of everything we earn? Half? More?

 

[Superman]

Says who? Health care and education are infrastructure issues. You have serious budgetary and taxation problems that hurt the economy as a result of the health care mess. I don't hear you complaining about the FDIC which keeps your bank from taking all your money when the economy dips.

Baseline coverage to stabilize a volatile market and reduce the massively expanding costs of health care would neither bankrupt the industry nor harm the consumer. The situation you have now, where people are being forced into and out of private coverages is far worse. Doing nothing would have continued the ongoing emergency room disaster we already had.

This is a fixable problem. Screaming "socialism" at the top of your lungs is not a solution.



I've noticed that most of you don't know the difference between Civil Libertarianism and Anarcho Capitalism.

You've got the two confused.

finally you say something that makes sense.

 

[oneforthebus]

Doing nothing would have continued the ongoing emergency room disaster we already had.

Obamacare has only made that problem worse...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sits-rise-under-affordable-care-act/26625571/

A shortage of primary care doctors is one of the main reasons, and Obamacare is currently making that worse. Should single payer be enacted, it will be worse still

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387547/obamacare-fewer-doctors-more-demand-michael-tanner