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Browns Game Thoughts

Tomlin is an idiot. He said yesterday he loved how his team SMILED in the face od adversity , WTF. How about talking to the players during the second half and tell then to get ready for the snap, that would actually be coaching something the moron knows nothing about.
 
Tomlin is an idiot. He said yesterday he loved how his team SMILED in the face od adversity , WTF. How about talking to the players during the second half and tell then to get ready for the snap, that would actually be coaching something the moron knows nothing about.

apparently he was talking to the players at the snap.
oh, snap
 
The Broncos used the chop block on their zone reads. Hampton hated it as did I. It should be illegal to hit a lineman below the waist. Especially when he is engaged with another blocker. I think they changed that part of it.

Somewhat Vader. They did change the enforcement of "chop blocks" on pass plays where a defender is either engaged (or lured) to think he is engaged. He cannot be chopped by a second player below the waist. HOWEVER, the rules regarding chop blocks on running plays still stand as long as the offensive player is only ONE position away from the person engaged in blocking the defender. Which means it's still ok for the Center to engage a DL high and have the G come in from the side and take out his knees. (This is what Snack hated)

I agree with tape that our DL and ILBs are being asked to try to create more pressure because we aren't getting it from our OLBs.

If you watch the individual plays, we aren't getting blown off the ball, IMO. Our DL is moving well laterally towards the hand-off (or fake) and instead of the ILBs being free to monitor the cut-backs, they too are shooting towards the play/fake side. This works great when the ball carrier stays in the same direction BUT if he cuts back OR if the whole design was to get our defense moving in that direction, the cut-back or short pass in the opposite direction will kill us.

That's what Philly did to us and what the Browns did as well. They had success with it in the first half too and just called more of the same in the 2nd half while dialing up the speed of the offense at the same time (ala Philly). It worked.

Lebeau typically doesn't like his defense to play aggressive (allows too many big plays) but asks them to play "sound", with gap integrity. Troy bouncing all over the place along the line makes it even worse. He never used to do this unless we had short-yardage situations where he would do his Super Fly Jimmy Suka impressions occasionally.

They need to stop worrying about 2-yard losses and allow some 2 yard gains, IMO. We don't need penetration on "movement" we need it where the BALL is. Otherwise we run our entire D (minus the lone S) out of the play.
 
apparently he was talking to the players at the snap.
oh, snap

Well then the moron should have shut the **** up , allowing them to score 24 points while he was talking to them shows how stupid he is. You coach when they are on the sidelines not when they are getting gouged on the field.
 
For those who saw the late game tonight...Larry Foote (over-the-hill and too slow etc.) had a great night stopping the run and even had a PD. This exemplifies the point of having too much speed and not enough gap integrity. Foote was old, slow and couldn't blitz for **** up the middle BUT he was a solid ILB who managed more tackles than either of ours in the first game. Doesn't mean it cannot be fixed but slowing down the aggression of 2 ILBs in our system is paramount to not getting run out of the play. They have to play with gap soundness ESPECIALLY now that the misdirection is going to be the scheme du jour until we stop it.
 
For those who saw the late game tonight...Larry Foote (over-the-hill and too slow etc.) had a great night stopping the run and even had a PD.

Foote had a very good game.

And I was interested to see what the Cardinals did late in the game, on the Chargers last two possessions and where they absolutely needed a stop both times. They blitzed the **** out of Rivers. Dilfer was one of the announcers and said he spoke to Bruce Arians about his defensive philosophy late in the game and needing a stop - Arians said he had two approaches: blitz and blitz some more.

Berman was pretty awful but made a very good point about why the Cardinals can blitz so much; they have Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie as DB's and felt comfortable leaving them 1-on-1. I wish the Steelers had that level of comfort with their DB's.
 
I wasn't impressed at all with Jones or Worilds. Both their sacks came against TEs. And both were not good against the run. Worilds got manhandled a couple of times on key runs to his side.
 
I wasn't impressed at all with Jones or Worilds. Both their sacks came against TEs. And both were not good against the run. Worilds got manhandled a couple of times on key runs to his side.

at least if they could become good against the run and also get their eventual sack, I'd feel better about them, especially our first round pick
 
The Broncos used the chop block on their zone reads. Hampton hated it as did I. It should be illegal to hit a lineman below the waist. Especially when he is engaged with another blocker. I think they changed that part of it.

Kesler beat me to it....just can't be adjacent linemen, which makes zero sense as the harmful effects are the same or worse.

Berman was pretty awful but made a very good point about why the Cardinals can blitz so much; they have Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie as DB's and felt comfortable leaving them 1-on-1. I wish the Steelers had that level of comfort with their DB's.

I think that part of the equation is underrated.
 
Glad to see some young guns shoot off but damn we were horribly out coached the second half. Offensive game planned almost lost it for us and on d geez us the hurry up gun formations looks like they are going to be bain of our existence again this year.
 
I wasn't impressed at all with Jones or Worilds. Both their sacks came against TEs. And both were not good against the run. Worilds got manhandled a couple of times on key runs to his side.

Still like the effort, and vs a TE or not, they're still BOTH on pace for 16 sacks. (Not that I expect it to happen, but a fan can dream)
 
Still like the effort, and vs a TE or not, they're still BOTH on pace for 16 sacks. (Not that I expect it to happen, but a fan can dream)

Even if both get 16 sacks but give up 27 PPG against the dregs of the NFL it's a disaster. This team won't win with both OLBs failing to secure the point even if they get 1 coverage sack against a TE every week.
 
Even if both get 16 sacks but give up 27 PPG against the dregs of the NFL it's a disaster. This team won't win with both OLBs failing to secure the point even if they get 1 coverage sack against a TE every week.

If the Ben shown had not been pre-empted, the D could have given up 30 points and it still would not have been close.

Why would you buy a Sports Car and keep it in the garage? If I am spending $100 million plus for a QB, you can bet your *** he would be slinging **** all over the field ALL GAME LONG. I don't care if we are up 90-0. Well, I would probably put in the bench if we were up 30 points / every quarter left to play.

BTW - I wouldn't even give a **** if Ben put up 3-4 INT's per game, if he was tossing 5-6 TD's. I would hope that the D would man up and make a stop on at least 1-2 of those TO's.
 
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If the Ben shown had not been pre-empted, the D could have given up 30 points and it still would not have been close.

Why would you buy a Sports Car and keep it in the garage? If I am spending $100 million plus for a QB, you can bet your *** he would be slinging **** all over the field ALL GAME LONG. I don't care if we are up 90-0. Well, I would probably put in the bench if we were up 30 points / every quarter left to play.

BTW - I wouldn't even give a **** if Ben put up 3-4 INT's per game, if he was tossing 5-6 TD's. I would hope that the D would man up and make a stop on at least 1-2 of those TO's.

The coaches shut down Ben. I don't agree with it but it is what it is. You aren't going to win in this league with a defense that gives up 27 PPG. There are other teams like Seattle that have a defense and you aren't scoring 90 on them. So the Steelers better learn to play some defense against passing teams. IF they have any chance in the AFC they are going to have to slow down the pats*, Indy, and Denver.

I have no problem trying to score 100 points a game. Go for it. But blowing out the clowns at home on opening day while they are missing all their talent on offense is not impressive.
 
Still like the effort, and vs a TE or not, they're still BOTH on pace for 16 sacks. (Not that I expect it to happen, but a fan can dream)

They sure as hell aren't on pace for 16 after tonight. Now they are down to 8 for the year. I guess the rats decided not to wait 10 seconds to throw while blocking them with TEs. But they only gave up 26 points tonight so that's one less than last week.
 
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