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Bush was right about WMDs in Iraq

But these weren't what Bush said were there. In the State of the Union, he said there were 500 tons of Sarin gas.
What was found isn't comparable and wasn't a threat to the USA.
 
And Sarin Gas was used in Syria. Wonder where it came from? It was moved to Syria, as has been reported over and over, as we built up. And we know how it's since been used. Now our fearless golfer - er leader - has allowed ISIS to capture it.
 
And Sarin Gas was used in Syria. Wonder where it came from? It was moved to Syria, as has been reported over and over, as we built up. And we know how it's since been used. Now our fearless golfer - er leader - has allowed ISIS to capture it.

This is all ate up with assumptions.

How do you know Syria does not manufacture it's own chemical weapons?
 
This is all ate up with assumptions.

How do you know Syria does not manufacture it's own chemical weapons?

OK.............................

Alleged Russian involvement

Romanian intelligence defector Ion Mihai Pacepa alleged that an operation for the removal of chemical weapons was prepared by the Soviet Union for Libya, and that he was told over thirty years ago by Romanian President Nicolae Ceauşescu, KGB chairman Yury Andropov, and later, Yevgeny Primakov, about the existence of a similar plan for Iraq. It is "perfectly obvious", wrote Pacepa, that the Russian GRU agency helped Saddam Hussein to destroy, hide, or transfer his chemical weapons prior to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003. "After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place."[13]

John Loftus, director of The Intelligence Summit, said in the November 16, 2007 issue of FrontPage Magazine that many documents from Iraq point to WMD being transferred to other countries such as Syria: "As stated in more detail in my full report, the British, Ukrainian and American secret services all believed that the Russians had organized a last minute evacuation of CW and BW stockpiles from Baghdad to Syria." His researchers allegedly found a document ordering the concealment of nuclear weapons equipment in storage facilities under the Euphrates River a few weeks before the invasion.[14]
 
I'm confused as to why everyone on this board all but insists that you are either CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL. If any poster disagrees with any conservative point/view/decision, they're immediately branded an Obama-loving, tree-hugging, Welfare-accepting, pot-smoking, dirty, hippie liberal.

Fairly certain that there are a number of pot smoking conservatives here
 
It certainly makes sense that the US gov't (regardless of whomever is ******* up the presidency at any given moment) would choose a narrative because it felt it best suited its purposes. To claim WMD as reason, find them and then not validate the basic premise of the war, especially when being intensely criticized at home, must have been the product of some other over-arching need/decision. My guess is that the decision-makers well understood their decision and took it because the alternative was worse -- what might have come to light that the American leadership (from then until now) felt its citizenry couldn't handle?
 
OK.............................

That quote uses the word "allegedly" a whole lot.

Fact is, there's no hard proof that weapons were smuggled out of Iraq before the invasion and no hard proof that Syria isn't cooking their own WMDs.
 
There's satellite evidence of the WMDs being moved into Syria. You libtards who only watch sanitized media would have missed that.
 
That quote uses the word "allegedly" a whole lot.

Fact is, there's no hard proof that weapons were smuggled out of Iraq before the invasion and no hard proof that Syria isn't cooking their own WMDs.

As Indy said, there's satellite imagery. And all of the intel the US had prior to the invasion...to believe it was all wrong? Kerry and Hildebeast saw the evidence and voted for war. They were for it before they were against it. Yeah...Libtards.

No matter the facts and evidence, "Booooosh lied and people died."
 
Fairly certain that there are a number of pot smoking conservatives here

Shucks. That was the crux of my post. You've invalidated the entire point I was making.
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I'm sure there are a few unclean conservatives here as well, lol.
 
There's satellite evidence of the WMDs being moved into Syria. You libtards who only watch sanitized media would have missed that.

Really? You can confirm the contents of a vehicle through satellite imagery?

By all means, post those pics.

As Indy said, there's satellite imagery. And all of the intel the US had prior to the invasion...to believe it was all wrong? Kerry and Hildebeast saw the evidence and voted for war. They were for it before they were against it. Yeah...Libtards.

"All of the intel" came from just a couple of highly unreliable sources. Curveball was discredited, and has admitted to making up every word of his "evidence". There were no pictures, chemical analysis, or other physical evidence. Just the words of a few folks with ample reason to lie.
 
But these weren't what Bush said were there. In the State of the Union, he said there were 500 tons of Sarin gas.
What was found isn't comparable and wasn't a threat to the USA.

You blithering idiot, I linked Powell's speech before the U.N. He said nothing about tonnage, or date of manufacture. He said the following about Iraq's chemical weapons and refusal to permit U.N. inspection:

  • Iraq had stored chemical weapons that it could still use.
  • Iraq was hiding chemical weapons.
  • Iraq was not giving access to UN weapons inspectors.
  • Iraq was not giving complete access to UN inspectors when they spoke to Iraqi scientists, and instead had a "minder" present during the meetings.
  • Iraq had available chemical weapons.
  • Iraq had not turned over these chemical weapons, as required by the treaty ending Gulf War I.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.powell.transcript.04/index.html

All of those charges are true - every one.

Oh, and how is Bammy's economy doing? How about next year, when Bammycare's employer mandate - which is so wonderful that Bammy unconstitutionally delayed its implementation until 2015 - takes effect?
 
Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today!
 
Really? You can confirm the contents of a vehicle through satellite imagery?

By all means, post those pics.

"All of the intel" came from just a couple of highly unreliable sources. Curveball was discredited, and has admitted to making up every word of his "evidence". There were no pictures, chemical analysis, or other physical evidence. Just the words of a few folks with ample reason to lie.

Son, you're now standing on the edge of ridiculousness. I'll take the evidence and theories provided by people like Powell (listed in Steeltime's post above), Romanian intelligence defector Ion Mihai Pacepa, Loftus, and even your very own Hillary and Kerry (at the time). You can continue to play the game of "if we don't have 100% of the facts, then no purported theory can be true."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/aug/20/20030820-081256-6822r/
Ex-spy fingers Russians on WMD

On March 20, Russian PresidentVladimir Putin denounced the U.S.-led “aggression” against Iraq as “unwarranted” and “unjustifiable.” Three days later, Pravda said that an anonymous Russian “military expert” was predicting that the United States would fabricate finding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov immediately started plying the idea abroad, and it has taken hold around the world ever since.

As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction — in Romanian it was codenamed “Sarindar, meaning “emergency exit.”Iimplemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them. We wanted to make sure they would never be traced back to us, and we also wanted to frustrate the West by not giving them anything they could make propaganda with.

All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea. Technological documentation, however, would be preserved in microfiche buried in waterproof containers for future reconstruction. Chemical weapons, especially those produced in Third Worldcountries,which lack sophisticated production facilities, often do not retainlethal properties after a few months on the shelf and are routinely dumped anyway. And all chemical weapons plants had a civilian cover making detection difficult, regardless of the circumstances.

The plan included an elaborate propaganda routine. Anyone accusing Moammar Gadhafi of possessing chemical weapons would be ridiculed. Lies, all lies! Come to Libya and see! Our Western left-wing organizations, like the World Peace Council, existed for sole purpose of spreading the propaganda we gave them. These very same groups bray the exact same themes to this day. We always relied on their expertise at organizing large street demonstrations in Western Europe over America’swar-mongering whenever we wanted to distract world attention from the crimes of the vicious regimes we sponsored.

Iraq, in my view, had its own “Sarindar” plan in effect direct from Moscow. It certainly had one in the past. Nicolae Ceausescu told me so, and he heard it from Leonid Brezhnev. KGB chairman Yury Andropov, and later, Gen. Yevgeny Primakov, told me so too. In the late 1970s, Gen. Primakov ran Saddam’s weapons programs. After that, as you may recall, he was promoted to head of the Soviet foreign intelligence service in 1990, to Russia’s minister of foreign affairs in 1996, and in 1998, to prime minister. What you may not know is that Primakov hates Israel and has always championed Arab radicalism. He was a personal friend of Saddam’s and has repeatedly visited Baghdad after 1991, quietly helping Saddam play his game of hide-and-seek.

The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them “disappear.” Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia’s topnotch “retired”generals,Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. They were all there receiving honorary medals from the Iraqi defense minister. They clearly were not there to give Saddam military advice for the upcomingwar—Saddam’sKatyusha launchers were of World War II vintage, and his T-72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes were all obviously useless against America. “I did not fly to Baghdad to drink coffee,” was what Gen. Achalov told the media afterward. They were there orchestrating Iraq’s “Sarindar” plan....

Such a plan has undoubtedly been in place since August 1995 — when Saddam’s son-in-law, Gen. Hussein Kamel, who ran Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological programs for 10 years, defected to Jordan. That August, UNSCOM and International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors searched a chicken farm owned by Kamel’s family and found more than one hundred metal trunks and boxes containing documentation dealing with all categories of weapons, including nuclear. Caught red-handed, Iraq at last admitted to its “extensive biological warfare program, including weaponization,” issued a “Full, Final and Complete Disclosure Report” and turned over documents about the nerve agent VX and nuclear weapons.

Saddam then lured Gen. Kamel back, pretending to pardon his defection. Three days later, Kamel and over 40 relatives, including women and children, were murdered, in what the official Iraqi press described as a “spontaneous administration of tribal justice.” After sending that message to his cowed, miserable people, Saddam then made a show of cooperation with U.N. inspection, since Kamel had just compromised all his programs anyway. In November 1995, he issued a second “Full, Final and Complete Disclosure” as to his supposedly non-existent missile programs. That very same month, Jordan intercepted a large shipment of high-grade missile components destined for Iraq. UNSCOM soon fished similar missile components out of the Tigris River, again refuting Saddam’s spluttering denials. In June 1996, Saddam slammed the door shut to UNSCOM’s inspection of any “concealment mechanisms.” On Aug. 5, 1998, halted cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA completely, and they withdrew on Dec. 16, 1998. Saddam had another four years to develop and hide his weapons of mass destruction without any annoying, prying eyes. U.N. Security Council resolutions 1115, (June 21, 1997), 1137 (Nov. 12, 1997), and 1194 (Sept. 9, 1998) were issued condemning Iraq—ineffectual words that had no effect. In 2002, under the pressure of a huge U.S. military buildup by a new U.S. administration, Saddam made yet another “Full, Final and Complete Disclosure,” which was found to contain “false statements” and to constitute another “material breach” of U.N. and IAEA inspection and of paragraphs eight to 13 of resolution 687 (1991).
 
Son, you're now standing on the edge of ridiculousness. I'll take the evidence and theories provided by people like Powell (listed in Steeltime's post above), Romanian intelligence defector Ion Mihai Pacepa, Loftus, and even your very own Hillary and Kerry (at the time). You can continue to play the game of "if we don't have 100% of the facts, then no purported theory can be true."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/aug/20/20030820-081256-6822r/
Ex-spy fingers Russians on WMD

It's clear that you want to believe this. But posting articles about anonymous KGB sources does not help bolster your case. Curveball was also an anonymous source, and the primary source of much of Powell's case. He as admitted, on television and in English, that he made the whole damn thing up. Until some of these sources come forward to put their names on their statements, there is no reason to believe them.
 
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