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Cam Newton signs five-year, $103.8 million extension with Carolina Panthers

Tom Brady deserves a raise!
 
With every contract made Ben looks more and more like a steal
 
A lot of money to a player with very few accomplishments.
 
And Cam has done what exactly? They made this deal out of desperation. There are fewer can't miss prospects coming out of college and there's nothing to speak of in the NFL F/A ranks so they had to pay this guy who has been very average at best. Man I hate to think when Ben retires. God only knows who frick and frack will draft.
 
The fans in Carolina are shaking their heads, he has won nothing, hides his head when things go South.
 
What really concerns me about Newton is his DQR (the way I measure QB's) has gone down every year he's been in the league: 95.7 to 90.7 to 81.1 to 76.7

There has been a lot of excuses in the media to explain that drop-off (primarily the talent around him has eroded), but it's a disturbing drop off none the less.

Sounds like the contract is really a 6-year, $118.5 million contract from this point forward and has an absurd $68 million in the first three seasons.

That makes the contract almost impossible to get out of before year 4 (spring of 2018).

If there is a positive (and this is the reason he got the contract) is when you look at Carolina's offensive point production during Newton's tenure, it's been very good.

They were 5th in points per possession his rookie year (2.26). That's as good as we were this year. That dropped to 1.96 (12th) to 2.09 (10th) and 1.84 (17th) last season.

People might not realize this but over the last 4 seasons of Cam Newton, they have scored more points per possession than the Steelers. And I would argue with probably similar or less talent around the QB position. Don't know what that says about our coaching staff.
 
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I don't get this one.

Newton was a freak his rookie year but his production has declined every season since. I think you guys make a good point regarding talent at QB but what has he accomplished to warrant a deal similar to Ben's?
 
Lloyds legend said:
I don't get this one.

Newton was a freak his rookie year but his production has declined every season since. I think you guys make a good point regarding talent at QB but what has he accomplished to warrant a deal similar to Ben's?
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It's actually way less ****** up than the old system in which Sam Bradford became one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL simply by being drafted #1. What's the Panthers alternative? To keep slapping the franchise tag on Cam?
 
I am guessing that most GM's look around the league and see talent thin at the QB position. Once you get past the top 5 or 6 QB's there isn't much there. So they are paying for "experienced" QB's, even though they haven't done much (Newton, Tannehill).
 
xjx said:
I am guessing that most GM's look around the league and see talent thin at the QB position. Once you get past the top 5 or 6 QB's there isn't much there. So they are paying for "experienced" QB's, even though they haven't done much (Newton, Tannehill).
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Yup, because the alternative is to let someone else overpay Cam and to sign Josh McNown to be your starter.
 
He might not be the ideal quarterback but I bet there is 1/3rd of the league that would love to have him vs. what they have right now. That's what drives up the price.
 
Lloyds legend said:
I don't get this one.

Newton was a freak his rookie year but his production has declined every season since. I think you guys make a good point regarding talent at QB but what has he accomplished to warrant a deal similar to Ben's?
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I certainly agree with you. However, seeing this and other QB deals makes me think that, although we may not have fully appreciated it in March, Ben took a real hometown discount.
 
Lloyds legend said:
No doubt.

Ben's a gamer. His resume actually warrants getting paid.
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That's the problem- your resume is only 'half' the story. The other half is potential.

Newton has scored a ton of TD's in an offense that is FAR from stellar. All this while playing on a bum ankle for the past 3 years.

Will he return to form, one year after surgery? Can he improve on his throwing touch? Can he remain healthy? If he does- he will be a pretty damn good QB.

But a QB that is only 26 y.o. with tons of upside and limited downside will always get paid. Which is why I guarantee Wilson's and Luck's contract's are going to be mindboggling. Like MLB figures.
 
I think Wilson will be close to Cam Newton.

Andrew Luck, on the other hand, is going to be the highest paid player in the NFL. And he has the potential to sign the first fully guaranteed (unless for injury) contract in league history.

I mean when you think about it, if I was Luck's agent and looking to make a splash, why not? Indianapolis is never going to get rid of him (certainly not in this contract) so why play the game like somehow Luck's skills are going to erode at age 29 and Indianapolis wants "out" of Lucks contract and will release him. It's not going to happen.

Luck could get something like a 6-year, $140 million contract completely guaranteed (something will have to be done with an injury if it happens early in the contract, but that's peripheral language) with $80 million in the first three seasons. I mean literally a payout of $40 million in year one and $20 million every year thereafter for the contract sounds certainly within the realm of possible for Andrew Luck and his skill set. If he was a free agent he'd get more than that.
 
Newton is not a franchise QB IMHO. He's QB rating is below star studded QBs like Shaun Hill and Austin Davis. He was 26th in the league in QB rating. He completes less than 60% of his passes and had a measly 3100 yards in 2014. He also had a measly 223 YPG average. The reason people like him is because he is a "dual" threat. Which is weird considering he ran for 7 yards against the Steelers who were average against the run last year. They manhandled Newton. So did the Ravens the following week.

I don't like the guys demeanor or his game. I understand why they paid him and don't hold it against them. I just don't think he is ever going to be a great QB. He's below the league average in almost every category.
 
Vader said:
Newton is not a franchise QB IMHO. He's QB rating is below star studded QBs like Shaun Hill and Austin Davis. He was 26th in the league in QB rating. He completes less than 60% of his passes and had a measly 3100 yards in 2014. He also had a measly 223 YPG average. The reason people like him is because he is a "dual" threat. Which is weird considering he ran for 7 yards against the Steelers who were average against the run last year. They manhandled Newton. So did the Ravens the following week.

I don't like the guys demeanor or his game. I understand why they paid him and don't hold it against them. I just don't think he is ever going to be a great QB. He's below the league average in almost every category.
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He can't be that bad.

How do you explain the Panthers scoring more points per possession than the Steelers since Newton's been in the league? Proves my point why the old QB rating and pass completion percentage are not good indicators of offense/QB evaluation.

Steelers PPP: 2.31, 1.91, 1.79, 1.86 (last 4 seasons)

Panthers PPP: 1.84, 2.09, 1.96, 2.26 (last 4 seasons)

Somehow Newton is getting the job done and getting the ball in the endzone better than Roethlisberger and the Steelers (all except for last season, which is a pretty short-sighted way to look at things).
 
deljzc said:
He can't be that bad.

How do you explain the Panthers scoring more points per possession than the Steelers since Newton's been in the league? Proves my point why the old QB rating and pass completion percentage are not good indicators of offense/QB evaluation.

Steelers PPP: 2.31, 1.91, 1.79, 1.86 (last 4 seasons)

Panthers PPP: 1.84, 2.09, 1.96, 2.26 (last 4 seasons)

Somehow Newton is getting the job done and getting the ball in the endzone better than Roethlisberger and the Steelers (all except for last season, which is a pretty short-sighted way to look at things).
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The points per possession stat is a good one, so is points per game regardless of yards or completion% points are the most important thing. The other one is wins and losses. Maybe if they manage to build a team around this kid he will be better.
 
deljzc said:
He can't be that bad.

How do you explain the Panthers scoring more points per possession than the Steelers since Newton's been in the league? Proves my point why the old QB rating and pass completion percentage are not good indicators of offense/QB evaluation.

Steelers PPP: 2.31, 1.91, 1.79, 1.86 (last 4 seasons)

Panthers PPP: 1.84, 2.09, 1.96, 2.26 (last 4 seasons)

Somehow Newton is getting the job done and getting the ball in the endzone better than Roethlisberger and the Steelers (all except for last season, which is a pretty short-sighted way to look at things).
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I remember telling you a year or so ago why I didn't agree with all your QB analysis. It measures things that have nothing to do with being a QB. If a team has a great FG kicker it makes the QB look better. If a QB plays in Heinz field for 8 games and has a weak kicker then his PPP goes down. If the QB runs or has a great running game then it makes the QB look good. Even if he can't pass worth a ****. Evaluating a QB based on how everybody else on the offense does makes little sense to me.

I've seen the same analysis on Football Outsiders. They use the same PPP that you do. They also have other categories to add to it. This year Carolina was 17th in the league in PPP. Does that make Cam the 17th best QB? Miami was 10th. Is Miami's QB that much better than Cam?

If someone wants to really break down a QB you need to look at what he does on the field. Did he make the right read and throw the ball where it should have been thrown? You'd have to take out drops, throwing the ball away ETC...
 
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