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Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

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not likely....but two national guys wrote stories about my guy Ed Oliver....the second one below is more about how he was raised....

This is a kid to watch play next season.....



http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/...fensive-tackle-really-contend-for-the-heisman

Can Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver really contend for the Heisman?

HOUSTON -- Just days before Houston's 2016 season-opening upset of Oklahoma, when the college football world would be introduced to Ed Oliver, the then-18-year-old was already making his coaches shake their heads at his athletic feats in practice.

While practicing a Sooners play they'd scouted -- a quick pass to the running back in the flat, designed to get speedy Joe Mixon out into the open field -- they assigned Oliver, a defensive tackle, to "spy" the running back. So when Houston quarterback Greg Ward Jr. motioned running back Duke Catalon over and Catalon sprinted toward the sideline, imagine the surprise when the 280-pound Oliver beat him to the ball.

"When we ran this [in practice], we widened our back out all the way behind the tackle, because we knew [Mixon] could run," Houston coach Major Applewhite said. "And [Oliver] ran down Catalon's hip, and the ball was thrown perfectly by Greg, and he knocked it down ... like he was in man coverage."

When the Sooners actually ran the play during their meeting, Oliver didn't get there quite that quickly but did sprint from one side of the field to the other to catch Mixon -- who runs a 4.5 second 40-yard dash -- for a meager 2-yard gain.

A defensive tackle covering a running back on a pass play might sound unwise, but with Oliver, anything is possible.

"Athleticism and effort," Applewhite says, reviewing the play from his office. "He's a unique player because of his athleticism. There's a lot of [defensive tackles] that can sit there and plug."

For the last two seasons, Oliver has terrorized many an offensive backfield. In that time he has amassed 39.5 tackles for loss, more than any other player in their first two seasons in recent memory (nobody in the past five years has compiled that many in their first two years). He's second among FBS defensive linemen in pass breakups in that span. In December, Oliver became the first underclassman (freshman or sophomore) to win the Outland Trophy.

"I think he's the most disruptive defensive lineman I've seen in college football," said former Rice coach David Bailiff, who coached against Oliver last season. "He's as close to the Tasmanian Devil on the football field that I've ever seen."

When it comes to pure football talent, there's no doubting Oliver's credentials. That's why Oliver is at least on the periphery of the way-too-early discussion of Heisman Trophy candidates. Whether he'll have a realistic shot at the hardware is another discussion entirely.

"We have to see what he does on the field [this season]," Applewhite said. "I think he deserves to be in the conversation. If the award is what it says it is, which is the best player in college football, then he deserves to be in the conversation."


Chasing down Joe Mixon in his first college game started the hype for Ed Oliver.

In the 83-year history of the award, only one player from a primarily defensive position has won it: Michigan cornerback Charles Woodson in 1997. Only 18 defensive players have finished in the top five in Heisman voting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Ten of those were defensive linemen, but only two defensive linemen have finished in the top five since 1990.

Will a defensive player ever win it again?

"In my personal opinion, no," said former Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, now with the Miami Dolphins. "And the reason why I say that is because I think there has been some elite guys, not including myself, that have given it some good shots and had good bodies of work to do it, but I think just because it's such a heavily offensive-oriented and quarterback-oriented and running back-oriented type of award, it's very difficult."

Suh, who finished fourth in the 2009 voting and is the most recent defensive lineman to finish in the top five, had a strong case. He also had a "Heisman moment," by nearly lifting Nebraska to a Big 12 championship with 12 tackles, six for losses and 4.5 sacks in a 13-12 loss to Texas that year. Alabama running back Mark Ingram wound up winning the trophy that season.

Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, whom Suh threw around like a rag doll when they met, finished third, a spot ahead of Suh "even though I put a good thrashing on him in the Big 12 championship," Suh said.

Former Houston quarterback Andre Ware, who won the Heisman in 1989 and voted for Suh, said that illustrates how difficult it is for a defensive player.

"When that happens, then it's tough for it to ever happen," Ware said. "You get that one shot down ... then you've made it an offensive award. [Suh] deserved to win it in my opinion. But that makes it tough."

Only six players who have won it didn't play in the offensive backfield. The frequency at which quarterbacks and running backs touch the ball is a big reason they win it most often.

"It's different when you have a chance to touch the football every snap. That alone creates the attention that you're going to get," said Arizona coach Kevin Sumlin, who coached 2012 Heisman winner Johnny Manziel. "Really that's a quarterback and a running back. It's difficult for even a receiver to win it.

"What are we voting for? Is the Heisman trophy the best player in the country? Is it the best catalyst on a team in the country? Those are two different things. ... Is this guy the best player on the best team in the country? That's happened before, too."

Coaches and former players acknowledged that being a part of a great team is a virtual necessity. Having a big performance on a big stage helps, too. That can be a challenge for a defensive lineman, especially considering how creative coaches get to minimize an individual player's impact.

"You can game plan around a player," said Baylor coach Matt Rhule, who played against Woodson's Michigan team while he was at Penn State. "You can do a lot of speed, no-huddle, up-tempo stuff. You can mitigate some of the defensive player's ability to affect the game just by getting the ball out of your hand before he gets to the quarterback."

Oliver has experienced some of that at Houston, but the Cougars' staff has been creative about where he lines up and the assignments he gets to maximize his impact. So far, it has been successful. The main thing that slowed down Oliver was a knee injury last season that kept him from playing at full strength for the better part of five games. Still, he finished with 73 tackles, 16.5 for loss, 5.5 sacks, seven quarterback hurries, two forced fumbles and a blocked kick.

"[The injury] took away from my mobility, moving sideways a little bit," Oliver said. "I'm upset at the way I played last year. It really makes me mad, watching film, knowing what I can do and what I was limited to doing."

The junior-to-be says that he's at 100 percent now. After winning the Outland Trophy, he's coming for more hardware.

"I can't stop there," he said. "I need to go back and win the Nagurski and the Bednarik. I need both of them."

If he comes up short, it won't be for lack of effort or physical gifts. Applewhite said Wednesday morning that Oliver challenged one of the team's linebackers in a six-station drill -- which included a 60-yard shuttle and a short-shuttle, among other agility drills. Unsurprisingly, Oliver won.


Given his production and ability, 2018 figures to be Oliver's last in college. He hopes to be not just a high draft pick but No. 1 overall. As for the Heisman, Oliver said while he doesn't expect to be there, being in the conversation would be special "for the city and for the guys I play with and the guys that helped me get there, the coaches for believing me and trusting in me."

What does he think would it take for him to get there?

"I'd love to be there, but I doubt I'd win," he said. "I gotta pass for a touchdown, catch a touchdown, run for a touchdown, get some fumbles for touchdowns, picks for touchdowns. It's all about how much you score."

Oliver did run for a touchdown lining up as a goal-line running back in Houston's bowl game last season. Could he lobby for more of those touches?

"You never know," he said.
 
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...iver-patiently-waits-for-his-nfl-opportunity/

Humble, stubborn and relentless, Ed Oliver patiently waits for his NFL opportunity

HOUSTON -- Ed Oliver Jr. can tell you about being full of crap.

The Houston junior, arguably the nation's best defensive lineman, was raised around it. That's what happens when you break horses before they break you. That's what happens when you build an 18-stall horse barn from scratch one summer to help a neighbor. That's what you do when football is merely the latest manifestation of a higher expectation.

Get in orbit around Ed Oliver Jr. and you begin to realize that expectation goes beyond becoming a sophomore All-American or being the youngest Outland Trophy winner in history … or having become a definite Heisman Trophy contender in 2018 as a difference-making defensive tackle.

"Football is nothing," said the kid whose family calls him "EJ" for short. "I've learned some lessons in my life."

Cougars coach Major Applewhite says shaking father Ed Oliver Sr.'s hand is like grabbing hold of "900 blisters."

"It's like shaking somebody's hand with sandpaper," Applewhite added. "When you see him, it's cowboy boots, starched jeans, starched shirt, leather collar. Hat on.

"This guy has had a lot of ropes and a lot of **** in his hand. He's dug a lot of ditches. He almost has a little bit of that Earl Campbell."

Ed Sr., the construction-working son of a brick layer, is old school, tough as the leather he wears. The extended Oliver family is from Louisiana. They moved to Houston for the quality of education and on-field competition.

With cowboys come horses and with horses comes, well, you know.

"The way I was brought up, you clean your own [horse] stalls," Ed Jr. said. "I don't want anybody cleaning my stalls. We had three horses at one time. Sometimes, my dad would say, 'You clean them all by yourself.' Me and my brother, he would shovel and I'd take the wheelbarrow. Taking the wheelbarrow is the hard part.

"It's easy to shovel."


If it's easy to shovel, how hard can it be becoming the first sophomore to win the Outland? Or having one of the great two-year runs as a defensive lineman in the recent history of the game?

ALCOHOL? GUNS? WOMEN? NO, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT ED FALLING OFF A FRICKIN' FOUR-WHEELER."
Major Applewhite
Let's just say the 20-year-old has been taught the right way. As children, he and his brother, Marcus, helped dad build an 18-stall barn from scratch for a neighbor because their dad said so.

Once, Ed Jr. lost a bridle.

"My daddy made me clean up the whole barn … because I was irresponsible," Ed Jr. said. "[I picked up] trash, back in the weekends, beer cans, basically just to teach me a lesson."


The primary reason Ed Jr. came to Houston was his dad mandated it. The brothers played together for two seasons because they were family.

"You can sit and think all you want to think," Ed Sr. told his son. "… You're about to go play with your brother."

Marcus, an offensive lineman, is currently training for the draft.

Basically, Ed Jr. has met every expectation as a son, citizen, athlete and prospect. In these uncertain times, representing a hurricane-ravaged city, that means something.

"Alcohol? Guns? Women? No, I'm more worried about Ed falling off a frickin' four-wheeler," Applewhite said. "I'm more worried about a horse hitting him, kicking him."

And you don't doubt it. Ed Jr. carries his 6-foot-3, 280-pound frame confidently but certainly not arrogantly. Forget fans, coaches or expectations. There is a legacy to uphold.

Ed Sr. played tailback at Northwestern State back in Natchitoches, Louisiana, with the likes of LSU coach Ed Orgeron, Super Bowl champion Gary Reasons and three-time Pro Bowler Mark Duper.

Ed Jr.'s great grandfather, Wilbert Oliver, was the subject of a federal lawsuit that effectively broke the color line in funeral homes. An uncle, Carroll Oliver, owned a chain of McDonald's in Houston. Carroll was described as a "beloved" member of the community when he was shot and killed in January 2016. No one has been arrested for the crime. Another uncle, Peter Oliver, is a captain with the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries.

They're all watching.

"Be humble; humble yourself," Ed Sr. preached to his son. "When they're clipping you and they're holding you, don't go over in the refs' face and make a scene. Tell the ref, 'Hey, they're holding me.'"

We're talking about a kid who may have learned his elusiveness from riding Oreo, a precocious Tennessee Walker, as a child.

"Oreo is me in the horse version," Ed Jr. said. "He's kind of stubborn. Every time you ride Oreo, it's a little bit of a fight. … Oreo was a horse, if he didn't want to do something, he'd rare up. I didn't know what was wrong with that fool. He'd go straight up in the air and start walking, like a human being. I guess that was his way of saying, 'No.'"

Ed Sr. added, "That's why EJ can change directions so well. Oreo never threw him. All the twists and turns, EJ would counter him. It was like a boxer."

That you haven't heard more from Ed Jr. is a reflection of playing below college football's Mendoza Line. Oliver is believed to be the first five-star prospect to sign with a Group of Five program out of high school.


That he is not in the SEC or Big Ten collapsing offensive lines should take nothing away from his accomplishments. Watch him play. He has not disappointed with 139 tackles and 10.5 sacks in 25 career games.

Houston's sports information department is in the process of determining whether Oliver's 39.5 tackles for loss are the most ever for a player in his first two seasons out of high school. That total includes Oliver being limited last year for four games with a knee injury suffered in Week 3 against Temple.

"It's a certainty. He is gone [for the NFL] after this year," Applewhite said. "Being that there is even more pressure on him as a junior coming out, he'll embrace that even more."

Up to now, football has been almost … easy for Oliver. In 2016, the Cougars won nine games, beating Oklahoma in the season opener following a 2015 Peach Bowl campaign that catapulted Tom Herman to Texas.

The Cougars dropped to 7-5 in 2017, but Oliver's motor never slowed. He calls himself a run stopper first. The NFL could call his name among the top five in the 2019 draft.

"I feel like every time I pass rush it should be a sack, at least a pressure. It's controlled freedom," Oliver said.

"Zone blocking is horrible when you're playing me because I'm faster than offensive linemen. To zone block me is stupid."


Pro Football Focus rated Oliver as the No. 3 college defensive lineman overall in 2017, No. 1 against the run. He missed two tackles all season while playing 752 snaps.

Considering Oliver has already won the second-most coveted college football trophy before turning the legal drinking age, a Heisman run isn't out of the question.

"Some way you have to score and be productive at your position," Oliver said. "If I score a couple of times -- four or five times -- I'll be there. I may not win it, but I'll be there."

Oliver bucked tradition when he came from Houston's Westfield High to become the centerpiece of Herman's first recruiting class. There was a certain comfort. Herman sold the whole "H-Town Takeover" thing. Ed Jr. stayed close to his family.

"It's not uncommon to see in that poor part of town someone ride down to Chevron and get a pack of cigarettes," Applewhite said. "You see this person on a horse and literally a quarter mile away is one of the largest interstates in the country.

"I just think Ed has grown up around responsibility."

Father and son disagree on how they view Herman's departure.

"I think he should have told me," Ed Jr. said. "He told me, 'There is no way I'm going to leave before you graduate.' You telling me you're not going to leave until you see us out? You didn't see us out."

Ed Sr. sounded like a cowboy with sandpaper hands.

"If I'm working for a company and they're giving me $30 an hour," he said, "and you've got another company come in and offer me $60 an hour, it's nothing personal. It's business. You want to sit here and whine like little babies? You go back on that field and do what you do."

If not, well, you might be full of crap.
 
And he's from Houston, you say?

imagine that....me posting about a Houston guy....

I've pimped Ed before but since these two stories came out...I knew you guys would like an update

As for the Heisman, Oliver said while he doesn't expect to be there, being in the conversation would be special "for the city and for the guys I play with and the guys that helped me get there, the coaches for believing me and trusting in me."

love the way he deflects the credit....
 
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Will he be a Steeler in the future though?
 
didnt Charles Woodson win it?

you are correct

In the 83-year history of the award, only one player from a primarily defensive position has won it: Michigan cornerback Charles Woodson in 1997. Only 18 defensive players have finished in the top five in Heisman voting, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Ten of those were defensive linemen, but only two defensive linemen have finished in the top five since 1990.

so the question should be can a defensive player win it again?
 
I just looked it up. He did win it, but he was a punt returner as well.
 
Woodson was a 3 way player, but Defense was his best position. Dude never came off the field.
Glad he won it over Manning. Peyton is still sore about it to this day, but I only saw Peyton on the field when the offense was out there...
 
Woodson was a 3 way player, but Defense was his best position. Dude never came off the field.
Glad he won it over Manning. Peyton is still sore about it to this day, but I only saw Peyton on the field when the offense was out there...




BBuuttt. Bur But butt but .....................PAYTON out ran Timmon's one time..........oh, that was in the PROs.




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probably not, with the QB being their favorite flavor.



Like most alcolades................the popularity contest seems to be taking over but the heisman still seems legit other thaN it should be the OFFENSIVE Heisman award.




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what if the defense player gets time in the offensive backfield....Oliver has scored every time they have given him the ball on offense....a perfect 1 for 1 with a 1 yard TD run in their bowl game last year....
 
what if the defense player gets time in the offensive backfield....Oliver has scored every time they have given him the ball on offense....a perfect 1 for 1 with a 1 yard TD run in their bowl game last year....

BEST RB in college and with BELL setting a new pay scale for RBs, I'd say this should be what he goes after, position wise..............
I mean who wouldn't want a RB who scores every time he touches the ball????


SERIOUSLY, it would be a dream come true if PITTSBURGH ended up with him

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I just looked it up. He did win it, but he was a punt returner as well.

This is on point. Yes, a D player can, but it would have to be a guy playing special teams as well. Unless you get a down year on O and some stud has like 20 sacks and 10 pic 6's.
 
Woodson had the perfect storm to win the Heisman. First and foremost, you had a media that WANTED to give it to a defensive player just once just to do it. Then you had Woodson as the best defensive player who was also returning kicks and playing offense.

The last ingredient is one that should not count at all but it does. Team record. That year Michigan was undefeated and won a split national championship. That was what put Woodson over the top. Manning’s Tennessee team couldn’t beat Florida. That was the difference.

I hate that they take record into account. I can see it to some degree in a QB because they have so much impact but even so, they gave a heisman to a stiff like Geno Toretta over Marshal Faulk just because Toretta’s Miami team was good.

That’s why you can guarantee that somebody on Alabama will finish top 5, probably top 3 no matter what this year.
 
He should of won it!
1980 - Hugh Green, Pittsburgh, 2nd

He was definitely the best player in college football that year!

123- TT's
17 - sacks
11 - TFL
7 - FF
6 - PD
17 - Hurries

Not to mention:

Walter Camp Award (1980)
Maxwell Award (1980)
Lombardi Award (1980)
Sporting News Player of the Year (1980)
UPI Player of the Year (1980)
UPI Lineman of the Year (1980)
3× Consensus All-American (1978–1980)
 
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I know a guy, HELLLLLLOOOOO Heisman. Charles Woodson. Go Blue
 
Oliver has .00001% chance of winning the Heisman.

For opens he isn't a top sack guy with a career season best at 5.5 sacks.

Equally important, his competition is weak in the American Athletic Conference

Lastly Heisman winners usually comes from highly ranked teams, something Houston isn't. the cougars were just 7-5 last season, and if there were in the SEC or Big Ten, would be lucky to win 5 games.
 
Will he be a Steeler in the future though?

I'd be happy is he was a rookie free agent in camp for the threads on him. Walton is just all right as the 6TH DL player and Big Dan might not be on the team next season.
 
Oliver has .00001% chance of winning the Heisman.

For opens he isn't a top sack guy with a career season best at 5.5 sacks.

Equally important, his competition is weak in the American Athletic Conference

Lastly Heisman winners usually comes from highly ranked teams, something Houston isn't. the cougars were just 7-5 last season, and if there were in the SEC or Big Ten, would be lucky to win 5 games.

they went through 3 QBs last season....the guy who was suppose to take over couldn't quit turning the ball over, and neither could the next guy....the settled on a sophomore who had a decent run to end the season....and the American conference isn't as weak as the other non Power 5 conferences. Ed may not get a lot of sacks, but he gets a load of tackles for loss....

OF course the odds are stacked against him to win the Heisman...but even Vegas gives him better odds than your bullshit response.

baring injury....Ed is going in the top 10 in next years draft

You've never watched the kid play and you want to make an assessment of his chances.....
 
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they went through 3 QBs last season....the guy who was suppose to take over couldn't quit turning the ball over, and neither could the next guy....the settled on a sophomore who had a decent run to end the season....and the American conference isn't as weak as the other non Power 5 conferences. Ed may not get a lot of sacks, but he gets a load of tackles for loss....

OF course the odds are stacked against him to win the Heisman...but even Vegas gives him better odds than your bullshit response.

baring injury....Ed is going in the top 10 in next years draft

You've never watched the kid play and you want to make an assessment of his chances.....

I'll have you know coach has on his list, to watch a clip of him. A 2 minute clip that he will break down his strengths and weaknesses, followed by a half hour to hour of reading different sites opinions of him.


his opinion of Ed will be his own

honest
 
I should have started another thread....but I'll just add this here

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...lege-football-stars-dominate-2019-nfl-combine

Let's take a look at the key characters who should be in the spotlight at the 2019 combine.

The freak: Houston DT Ed Oliver

Most college stars need three seasons to mature into NFL prospects. Oliver might have needed one. He was an unusual player coming into college -- a five-star prospect who chose to stay home at Houston -- and has so far matched or even exceeded expectations. Last season, he became the first sophomore to win the prestigious Outland Trophy and could be a fringe candidate for the Heisman as a junior. NFL teams can't wait to draft Oliver, and he should be the main event at the 2019 combine.
 
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