Can we get anything for Bell?

[Stryker]

In the NFL people fall in love with guys, and Bell is a guy that a team can fall in love with to build a franchise around. Think Hershel Walker. Best running back in the league, and Dallas rebuilds a team with his trade. Ditka falls in love with Ricky Williams, and trades his entire draft class for him.

it only takes one team that thinks Bell is worth 2 firsts to make that move. And If I'm the Steelers GM, I let it happen. It's time to roll draft picks to get our next franchise.

 

[Litos]

For as much football knowledge you claim to have, you should know that Bell could not be traded as he had NOT signed his tender and therefore NOT under contract. As for another one of your IDIOTIC predictions...KC says hello.

drops mic...

 

[FAB802]

LOL, by all means deal our best player. I'm good with franchising him because he has been less than smart with his weed usage. Make no mistake, if the line is healthy and he is healthy we're a different animal with him in the lineup.

 

[oneforthebus]

The Browns will trade their whole team for him.

 

[FAB802]

Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams happened years ago. Nobody values RB's like that any more. There aren't many who even play all three downs any more. Never mind him being one more failed test from a long suspension. They'll franchise him again, he'll piss and moan and skip camp again, and he'll play it out. He's not going anywhere.

 

[Coach]

In the NFL people fall in love with guys, and Bell is a guy that a team can fall in love with to build a franchise around. Think Hershel Walker. Best running back in the league, and Dallas rebuilds a team with his trade. Ditka falls in love with Ricky Williams, and trades his entire draft class for him.

it only takes one team that thinks Bell is worth 2 firsts to make that move. And If I'm the Steelers GM, I let it happen. It's time to roll draft picks to get our next franchise.

Two drug suspensions, 2 injuries, and more tread off the tires after this season. He also didn't; help himself with comments when he held out. The worst thing that could happen for Bell's value is he he got hurt or suspended again, and James Conner does nearly as well.

When the OL and play calling is better, the backs we have roll. Like I said before we picked up a guy no one wanted and when Bell went out, he did nearly as well for about 10 million less a year.

Fluke? I think not.

 

[Coach]

For as much football knowledge you claim to have, you should know that Bell could not be traded as he had NOT signed his tender and therefore NOT under contract. As for another one of your IDIOTIC predictions...KC says hello.

So Sherlock, are you saying the Steelers could not have shopped Bell in the pre-season and said hey Bell, sign and trade, you are on another team that will pay you more money then we are offering?

 

[insaniti]

So Sherlock, are you saying the Steelers could not have shopped Bell in the pre-season and said hey Bell, sign and trade, you are on another team that will pay you more money then we are offering?

Well, Watson, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because there could be no sign and trade to a team that would pay him more. The date for which he was able to sign a long term contract had passed. He could ONLY play for the franchise tender. There's no team in the league that is going to give up a single first round pick for someone that is only there for one year guaranteed. NO TEAM could extend him until the season was over and he is considered a free agent. So again, your vast football knowledge has once again failed you.

As for your "Conner does just as well" comment... you've been able to ascertain this fact from Conners 12 whole carries. Seems like a pretty big claim from such a small sample size when Conner is being used mostly as a change of pace/breather for Bell.

 

[rpollock]

Yeah, they can get a win in KC!

 

[Stryker]

Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams happened years ago. Nobody values RB's like that any more. There aren't many who even play all three downs any more. Never mind him being one more failed test from a long suspension. They'll franchise him again, he'll piss and moan and skip camp again, and he'll play it out. He's not going anywhere.

Good points, and it is true the RB role is reduced. However, Bell's value lies outside of the normal RB roles. He's also an excellent receiver, and one of the best RBs in the league at blitz pickup. This is a unique asset. Not just another running back, and that will carry a high value to some teams. Is it high enough to get 2 firsts? i don't know, but I'm hoping we get that option.

 

[slashsteel]

Performances like today, make me think Bell won't be going anywhere........

 

[Coach]

Well, Watson, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because there could be no sign and trade to a team that would pay him more. The date for which he was able to sign a long term contract had passed. He could ONLY play for the franchise tender. There's no team in the league that is going to give up a single first round pick for someone that is only there for one year guaranteed. NO TEAM could extend him until the season was over and he is considered a free agent. So again, your vast football knowledge has once again failed you.

As for your "Conner does just as well" comment... you've been able to ascertain this fact from Conners 12 whole carries. Seems like a pretty big claim from such a small sample size when Conner is being used mostly as a change of pace/breather for Bell.

How do you know what another team would be willing to pay Bell? There are 31 other teams. We could have signed him and traded him before the season started with his agent knowing he's getting more money from another team.

Once he's on another team they could franchise him, or offer better than us for a longer term deal. Are you saying this 100% could not be done????

Give it a rest, your not as smart as you think you are.

Like I said before if I can sign and trade bell and pick up two first round picks, I do it.

PS: Tell me how Williams did when Bell was out for a while. Pretty similar, huh? I do not know what Conner would look like for a full game, but when he gets a chance he runs it very well.

 

[antdrewjosh]

how do you know what another team would be willing to pay bell? There are 31 other teams. We could have signed him and traded him before the season started with his agent knowing he's getting more money from another team.

Once he's on another team they could franchise him, or offer better than us for a longer term deal. Are you saying this 100% could not be done????

Give it a rest, your not as smart as you think you are.

Like i said before if i can sign and trade bell and pick up two first round picks, i do it.

Ps: Tell me how williams did when bell was out for a while. Pretty similar, huh? I do not know what conner would look like for a full game, but when he gets a chance he runs it very well.

he could only play for the tender
he could only play for the tender
he could only play for the tender

 

[insaniti]

How do you know what another team would be willing to pay Bell? There are 31 other teams. We could have signed him and traded him before the season started with his agent knowing he's getting more money from another team.

Once he's on another team they could franchise him, or offer better than us for a longer term deal. Are you saying this 100% could not be done????

Give it a rest, your not as smart as you think you are.

Like I said before if I can sign and trade bell and pick up two first round picks, I do it.

PS: Tell me how Williams did when Bell was out for a while. Pretty similar, huh? I do not know what Conner would look like for a full game, but when he gets a chance he runs it very well.

As Ant just said, he could ONLY play for the tender, which I said in MY post as well. And how do we know that? Because Bell turned down our offer on THE LAST DAY THEY COULD HAVE EXTENDED HIM. Up until that point, the Steelers were pretty confident that they had a deal in place with Bell. And there would be no reason to try and trade someone that is in your long term plans and you feel you have a deal in place with.

So again, NO TEAM is going to give up ONE first round pick let alone MULTIPLE first round picks for a player that is only guaranteed to be on their roster for ONE SEASON, because (I'll say it again to try and get you to understand) he could ONLY PLAY FOR THE TENDER!

How did Williams do? He did very well running the ball, but was no where near the production of Bell as a whole. Did you forget that Bell set an NFL record for yards from scrimmage per game last year? So you do not know how Conner would do for a full game, but you're still willing to say that "James Conner does nearly as well". So which is it? Conner will do nearly as well over a whole game? Or you don't know? Because right now you've only seen him in spot duty, and that's not enough of a sample size to say what he would be able to do for a full game. We don't even know what he could do for a full series yet.

 

[Coach]

As Ant just said, he could ONLY play for the tender, which I said in MY post as well. And how do we know that? Because Bell turned down our offer on THE LAST DAY THEY COULD HAVE EXTENDED HIM. Up until that point, the Steelers were pretty confident that they had a deal in place with Bell. And there would be no reason to try and trade someone that is in your long term plans and you feel you have a deal in place with.

So again, NO TEAM is going to give up ONE first round pick let alone MULTIPLE first round picks for a player that is only guaranteed to be on their roster for ONE SEASON, because (I'll say it again to try and get you to understand) he could ONLY PLAY FOR THE TENDER!

How did Williams do? He did very well running the ball, but was no where near the production of Bell as a whole. Did you forget that Bell set an NFL record for yards from scrimmage per game last year? So you do not know how Conner would do for a full game, but you're still willing to say that "James Conner does nearly as well". So which is it? Conner will do nearly as well over a whole game? Or you don't know? Because right now you've only seen him in spot duty, and that's not enough of a sample size to say what he would be able to do for a full game. We don't even know what he could do for a full series yet.

Let's cut to the chase. Are you saying a sign and trade was impossible with draft picks sent to us or not? YES or NO?

Are you saying that if Bell was traded, the team that traded to him can not franchise him next year? YES or NO?

And finally even if he could only play for the tender that year, it is impossible for a team to extend his contract beyond the one year?

 

[insaniti]

Let's cut to the chase. Are you saying a sign and trade was impossible with draft picks sent to us or not? YES or NO? YES

Are you saying that if Bell was traded, the team that traded to him can not franchise him next year? YES or NO? NO

And finally even if he could only play for the tender that year, it is impossible for a team to extend his contract beyond the one year?NO

No player outside of a QB can be tagged more than two years in a row. It doesn't matter if it's two different teams or not. So, a team would have had to have traded TWO first round picks to aquire Bell from us. On top of that, they would have had to pay him the $12.1m he's guaranteed and could not extend him. They COULD technically tag him again, at $14.5m, and then at the end of that tag he would be a FA no matter what. There's no guarantees for a team there. And with Bell's demands, there isn't a GM that is going to give up THAT MUCH, and then pay THAT MUCH. You'd have to be a team that feels it's ONE final piece away from a super bowl title, problem is, teams that are that good don't have that kind of cap space, and they aren't giving up two years worth of first round picks, because that's not a smart move.

And it's not a "even if he could only play for the tender" there is no IF. Once July 15th passed, the chance to extend him was gone and he is ONLY ABLE TO PLAY FOR THAT ONE YEAR TENDER.

Just give up already. You're wrong, it happens. Just admit it and move on.

 

[Coach]

No player outside of a QB can be tagged more than two years in a row. It doesn't matter if it's two different teams or not.

So, a team would have had to have traded TWO first round picks to aquire Bell from us. On top of that, they would have had to pay him the $12.1m he's guaranteed and could not extend him. They COULD technically tag him again, at $14.5m, and then at the end of that tag he would be a FA no matter what. There's no guarantees for a team there. And with Bell's demands, there isn't a GM that is going to give up THAT MUCH, and then pay THAT MUCH. You'd have to be a team that feels it's ONE final piece away from a lwoB repuS title, problem is, teams that are that good don't have that kind of cap space, and they aren't giving up two years worth of first round picks, because that's not a smart move.

And it's not a "even if he could only play for the tender" there is no IF. Once July 15th passed, the chance to extend him was gone and he is ONLY ABLE TO PLAY FOR THAT ONE YEAR TENDER.

Just give up already. You're wrong, it happens. Just admit it and move on.

No player outside of a QB can be tagged more than two years in a row you say? SINCE WHEN?

This link below says it can happen. So unless the rules recently changed you are wrong.

And if you read what I said before I asked for two first round picks for Bell. Your entire cycle started by saying we could not trade Bell. YES we could have.

For players coming off of a franchise tag, as Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Michael Johnson is, a second straight tag gets very unwieldy. By the rules above, it will have to be 120 percent of the prior season's tag amount. Depending on the position, this would be all but prohibitively expensive.

Should a player be tagged twice in a row, he's extremely unlikely to receive a third tag. The rules around a third tag are breathtaking: The offer number jumps up to the same as the quarterback tag number or 144 percent of the player's second tag offer, whichever is greater.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960713-how-the-nfl-franchise-tag-process-works

>>Now please show me the rules where us says a player can not be tagged more than twice and while you at it you can admit your mistake.

 

[21STEELERS21]

They will tag and sign him long-term. He looks to be a Hall of Fame back.
Ben's big salary will not be around much longer. I believe Ben will only play one more year after this.

 

[Coach]

They will tag and sign him long-term. He looks to be a Hall of Fame back.
Ben's big salary will not be around much longer. I believe Ben will only play one more year after this.

Bell's problem has never been ability. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately and how easily can you be replaced type of league. While the KC game was a breakout game, for Bell, thanks to Haley finally figuring out the right combination, it was only one game. Bell has not shined for most of the season. Let's see if he can stay healthy, stay out of trouble off the field, and test clean.

If he can't be traded for two first round picks, tag him again for a 1 year deal.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Bell's problem has never been ability. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately and how easily can you be replaced type of league. While the KC game was a breakout game, for Bell, thanks to Haley finally figuring out the right combination, it was only one game. Bell has not shined for most of the season. Let's see if he can stay healthy, stay out of trouble off the field, and test clean.

If he can't be traded for two first round picks, tag him again for a 1 year deal.

He is third in the NFL in rushing. With room to be better.

 

[Coach]

He is third in the NFL in rushing. With room to be better.

He's getting a lot more room lately. All our backs seem to run well, but I think Bell fans will be happy as long as Todd Haley " get's it "

 

[insaniti]

No player outside of a QB can be tagged more than two years in a row you say? SINCE WHEN?

This link below says it can happen. So unless the rules recently changed you are wrong.

And if you read what I said before I asked for two first round picks for Bell. Your entire cycle started by saying we could not trade Bell. YES we could have.





http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960713-how-the-nfl-franchise-tag-process-works

>>Now please show me the rules where us says a player can not be tagged more than twice and while you at it you can admit your mistake.

Yup, I stated that WE could not trade Bell. A player can technically be traded once they've been franchised and have singed their tender. Bell DID NOT SIGN HIS TENDER. He didn't sign it until training camp was OVER. Preseason was OVER. WE could not trade him because he was NOT under contract with US.

You live in a world where no matter what, you CAN make ANY trade that your brain comes up with. But it's simply not true, besides the fact that he hadn't signed his tender, so we could not trade him. No team is giving up two first round picks for a one year rental where they HAVE to tag him again just to get two years from him. It's a pipe dream, and one that makes me so VERY glad that you are NOWHERE NEAR the front office of my beloved Steelers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/10-things-to-know-about-the-franchise-tag/

Read numbers 6 and 7

 

[GroundHog]

There's nothing wrong with Bell. Stop complaining. Dude is a Great Player

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[slashsteel]

There's nothing wrong with Bell. Stop complaining. Dude is a Great Player

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Are you his agent?

(kidding)

I think most have stopped ragging him after his slow start due to his holdout.

And most here want him here long term.

Now that you poked your head out what do you see


long winter?

 

[SteelChip]