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Conservative changes his mind when an issue personally affects him. Yes there is hope

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“Enough is enough,” guitarist Caleb Keeter wrote on Twitter the day after a gunman opened fire at the Las Vegas festival where he’d performed hours earlier with the Josh Abbott Band.

Although Keeter had been a lifelong proponent of gun rights, witnessing Sunday’s horrific act of gun violence changed his mind. At least 58 people died and over 500 were injured at the Route 91 Harvest festival when Stephen Paddock, 64, fired on a crowd of 22,000 concertgoers from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

“I cannot express how wrong I was,” Keeter wrote in a note posted to Twitter on Monday. Although the band and its crew had access to firearms of their own, the guitarist said they were “useless” during the shooting, since they could have added to the confusion and terror at the scene.

Keeter said the feeling of reaching out to loved ones during the attack made him realize the issue of gun control “is completely and totally out of hand.”

“These rounds were powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this ******* coward received shrapnel wounds,” Keeter recalled.

He continued: “We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.”


Of course those who have never been affected will continue to try to make the lame argument that they need 40 round magazines and 80 AR-15's to defend themselves from AL Franken(theoppressive government) or whatever....this crap has to change, and soon.

 
Indeed we do need those weapons to keep the government in check and to protect or selves from deranged "Progressives" like this guy.

What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DO you not understand?
 
Indeed we do need those weapons to keep the government in check and to protect or selves from deranged "Progressives" like this guy.

What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DO you not understand?


What part of "well regulated militia" do you not understand? That's not you with your rifle in your closet and another guy you don't even know in Des Moines with a pistol under his pillow. That militia is what we now call the National Guard.

I know all about how the Supreme Court interpreted that passage long ago so don't go there, they were wrong. And they did it for political reasons.

Furthermore; Is the government not the people? Do nuts like you actually think that the U.S. Army, Marines, etc. is going to turn on their own parents, nieces,brothers, cousins..............for some tyrant? I mean really....you people are this paranoid/ delusional?
 
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I believe in the 2nd amendment I own several guns. I am a conservative. I do not have an issue with a ban on assault rifles.

I wouldn't even go that far and I'm a liberal. We need to thoroughly vet people for mental issues, and limit magazine capacity. No one is going to get in a shoot out defending their home from a mob of burglars that are armed with AR's and 40 round magazines. That argument is just ludicrous, you don't need high capacity mags.

At least by limiting capacity you can slow down these nuts enough that people can get away, and first responders can arrive before the carnage reaches extreme levels.
 
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What part of "well regulated militia" do you not understand? That's not you with your rifle in your closet and another guy you don't even know in Des Moines with a pistol under his pillow. That militia is what we now call the National Guard.

I know all about how the Supreme Court interpreted that passage long ago so don't go there, they were wrong. And they did it for political reasons.

Furthermore; Is the government not the people? Do nuts like you actually think that the U.S. Army, Marines, etc. is going to turn on their own parents, nieces, cousins..............for some tyrant? I mean really....you people are this delusional?

The National Guard was created by an act of Congress in 1908. The militia is and always has been the armed citizens. And yes there will always be a certain amount of soldiers that will follow the orders of a tyrant.
 
The National Guard was created by an act of Congress in 1908. The militia is and always has been the armed citizens. And yes there will always be a certain amount of soldiers that will follow the orders of a tyrant.


And that why the oath states " And protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic" The overwhelming majority would never participate in anything like that which you imagine. You disrespect the men and women in uniform you guys claim to respect so much with crazy ideas like that.

Thanks for reinforcing my point.
 
And that why the oath states " And protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic" The overwhelming majority would never participate in anything like that which you imagine. You disrespect the men and women in uniform you guys claim to respect so much with crazy ideas like that.

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

I have am a Veteran and I know first hand that there are a lot of misguided folks like yourself that believe the government is the final arbiter of what the Constitution says in uniform. Particularly senior officers who cease to be soldiers and become political animals beholden to politicians. You go right on believing the all powerful state has your interests at heart. As for me ill continue to hold my freedom in my own hands.
 
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I have am a Veteran and I know first hand that there are a lot of misguided folks like yourself that believe the government is the final arbiter of what the Constitution says in uniform. You go right on believing the al; powerful state has your interests at heart. As for me ill continue to hold my freedom in my own hands.


Oh..I don't believe for a second the American government(civilian) has my interests or yours at heart. They have the interests of the corporations and elite in that spot, but the idea that they could order the military which is made up of common Americans to turn on their fellow Americans and relatives, is just ludicrous.
 
I mean he had fully automatic weapons on him... you don't get those by legal methods in this day and age in the US...

Once more, its pandora's box... once opened you cannot ever get totally closed...
 
Oh..I don't believe for a second the American government(civilian) has my interests or yours at heart. They have the interests of the corporations and elite in that spot, but the idea that they could order the military which is made up of common Americans to turn on their fellow Americans and relatives, is just ludicrous.

And yet they have repeatedly had surveys of military personnel asking just that question... Ive had a family member experience that direct question... the military does basically condition people to take orders above all else and a good segment of people can have morals comprised by that kind of brainwashing... and we have seen that play out in other countries... .. you don't need a majority... just enough willing to do it and enough willing to do nothing about it
 
So again if the dude had automatic weapons then all the gun control nonsense logic dies again, because full autos are the only totally banned gun done with the NRAs blessing... before said ban in the 80's (under Regan)they were heavily regulated since the 30's... yet they still are problematic In crime here in the US.
 
I have hunted, my grandpa had several guns somewhere around 10, and my uncle has quite a collection probably over 20. My uncle has semi auto AKs, SKS, M16, an AR, a few hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles. I own an SKS with a 30 round clip. The SKS cost less than $100 a little over 20 years ago. I believe you could get 75 round drums for them. We would basically just go out into the woods and shoot at targets and wreak havoc on trees. My uncle had a spring trigger on his AK that was suppressed 2 to make it almost full auto, but we could never get it to function properly. It was fun to go out there and blow things up, but other than that these guns don't really serve much purpose. If they ban them or limit them then so be it. No matter what the citizens have if there is a government uprising the govt will win. They will easily match the firepower of the citizens and could add tanks, planes, and drone strikes. I think people are fooling themselves if they think guns truly protect them from the govt.
 
I have hunted, my grandpa had several guns somewhere around 10, and my uncle has quite a collection probably over 20. My uncle has semi auto AKs, SKS, M16, an AR, a few hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles. I own an SKS with a 30 round clip. The SKS cost less than $100 a little over 20 years ago. I believe you could get 75 round drums for them. We would basically just go out into the woods and shoot at targets and wreak havoc on trees. My uncle had a spring trigger on his AK that was suppressed 2 to make it almost full auto, but we could never get it to function properly. It was fun to go out there and blow things up, but other than that these guns don't really serve much purpose. If they ban them or limit them then so be it. No matter what the citizens have if there is a government uprising the govt will win. They will easily match the firepower of the citizens and could add tanks, planes, and drone strikes. I think people are fooling themselves if they think guns truly protect them from the govt.

The Russians couldn't take Afghanistan and they had overwhelming fire power vs them. I think you're mistaken if you think Americans couldn't do the same vs a government that turned on it's own people. A great portion of the military would defend the constitution and join the general population in defense. You also have millions of combat veterans who would join and also train citizens. Banning semi automatic rifles isn't going to fly. Fully automatic weapons are banned unless you get a federal firearms license. My cousin has one of those. People can still get them if they want. Heroin,crack,meth..ect all banned and illegal. You can get that if you want it.

Hell our own government sold weapons to drug cartels...remember fast&furious? They also choose to arm to the teeth all kinds of government agencies. **** even the IRS has fully automatic weapons...death and taxes eh.


You will never stop a madman willing to trade his life for his warped cause. Whether he uses a gun,truck,poison ect.where there's a will their is a way. That guy had no history at all so far as I know. You just can't plan or defend for that type of attack. I'm sure the politicians will move to disarm everyone. Best of luck removing a half billion or more weapons. People will bury them and just like drugs they will flow in to the country .
 
The last two mass shooters were Libtard Democrats so maybe we should just ban them from having guns. Haven't seen an NRA member murder a bunch of people yet.
 
I mean he had fully automatic weapons on him... you don't get those by legal methods in this day and age in the US...

Once more, its pandora's box... once opened you cannot ever get totally closed...

He could have altered semi automatic weapons to be fully automatic. Not really all that hard to do. But I get what you are saying.
 
If they ban them or limit them then so be it. No matter what the citizens have if there is a government uprising the govt will win. They will easily match the firepower of the citizens and could add tanks, planes, and drone strikes. I think people are fooling themselves if they think guns truly protect them from the govt.

Well, ****, we should just give up our rights and become loyal subjects, right?

Never underestimate the power of men defending themselves from tyranny. No one gave the colonists much of a chance either. Lucky for you, they didn't allow themselves to be boot lickers. As a result, we have the greatest country on earth, even if half the country is trying to destroy it.
 
I mean he had fully automatic weapons on him... you don't get those by legal methods in this day and age in the US...

Once more, its pandora's box... once opened you cannot ever get totally closed...
yes, you do.
this guy didn't tick off any warning. he met all the government criteria.

except, this guy was not your average joe. he didn't make a five figure salary. he was a real estate multimillionaire, and as such could afford to pay the legal fees required to legally obtain an automatic weapon. he had a nice arsenal at his home in Nevada. he was in the casinos a lot, winning money. thus far, he did not even have a history of seeing a medical professional for any mental issue. though more about this guy will come out in the next few days.

he booked those two rooms next to each other. he had this planned out, complete with tripods at the windows.
 
Well, ****, we should just give up our rights and become loyal subjects, right?

Never underestimate the power of men defending themselves from tyranny. No one gave the colonists much of a chance either. Lucky for you, they didn't allow themselves to be boot lickers. As a result, we have the greatest country on earth, even if half the country is trying to destroy it.

Back in those times everyone ptetty much had the same tech. The military has night vision, thermal imaging, and many other gadgets citizens wont have (rpgs, tanks, planes, grenades, drones, etc etc) no amount of will or want can overcome such a huge firepower disadvantage. The only chance would be military defectors, but they would need to be able to escape with some equipment. Someone mentioned russia. If they really wanted Afghanistan i am sure they would have no problem taking it.

I am not sure how to prevent this situation. Banning guns may help some , but crazy people will still find a way to do whatever.
 
Back in those times everyone ptetty much had the same tech. The military has night vision, thermal imaging, and many other gadgets citizens wont have (rpgs, tanks, planes, grenades, drones, etc etc) no amount of will or want can overcome such a huge firepower disadvantage. The only chance would be military defectors, but they would need to be able to escape with some equipment. Someone mentioned russia. If they really wanted Afghanistan i am sure they would have no problem taking it.

I am not sure how to prevent this situation. Banning guns may help some , but crazy people will still find a way to do whatever.

Like all the places he purchased the weapons, they went through all the normal procedures and there was nothing to indicate there were any red flags. The local police in his city said he never got a parking ticket, didn't really know he was there. No trouble whatsoever. How do you keep guns out of the normal people that goes off the reservation? He had money to buy the weapons, no priors, nothing. How do you stop that? Ban semi-autos? Sure, fine. What about the thousands that are in circulation? Stricter gun laws! Stricter gun laws! Fine, how do you stop this guy???
 
Does anyone know if up until he broke the window and opened fire, had this guy broken any laws, or was everything he did up until that point perfectly legal. Are there federal or state laws against having caches of weapons and ammo in a hotel room, modifying semi-automatic guns, etc.
 
Banning guns may help some , but crazy people will still find a way to do whatever.

That horse left the barn over 200 years ago and isn't going back in. The Libs might want gun control but every time this happens, MORE people want guns, not less. Repealing the 2nd Amendment ain't ever going to happen. In Europe you can do it because they never had that many guns in the first place, although mass killers will simply use a bomb or box truck as we see.
 
What is an assault rifle?

Any rifle you use to commit an assault with. It could be a flintlock musket,30.06, 7mm Mauser. It could be semi automatic or bolt action rifle. Now an assault weapon which is used in most killings around the land is normally a blunt object. Like a hammer,baseball bat,lamp post. You also have various kitchen cutlery that is choice for those very personal vendettas.
 
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