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Covid Vaccine

So with all these healthcare mandates, my employees are leaving in droves. My wife’s the same. They can not staff the buildings.

this has extended itself to hospitals. There are reasons why “we are at capacity”….it’s because when your not staffed, you can’t operate your full bed counts.

I see this as another major win for Biden. The downfall of nursing homes and by extension hospitals.
 
Superman said:
you're one willfully obtuse ************, arent you?

I quoted DIRECTLY from the CDC and Yale University. Not good nuff fer Prufesur Flog.

Are you that blissfully unaware that the South is where people do tend to vacation? Are you simply not willing to consider that vacationers CAN and HAVE spread their germs and diseases while vacationing? If you even dare to suggest that this is not possible, please tell us how we have "600,000 deaths" when this originated from one person. Do also understand that people do travel via plane, train and automobile, and this increases the chance of not only contracting the virus, but also spreading it. I wonder how many people your dumbass spread the Rona to, unwittingly. That's a good word for you - unwittingly. Dipshit.

Do also understand that even if you have the vaccine (and this is not up for debate) that you can not only spread it, but also get infected. Or re-infected. If you are incapable of considering that, then scroll back a few pages and see where all that has been cited on more than one, two, three, four or even five different occasions.

Also, try to understand that if this vaccine ******* worked like we had been told, then we'd not be experiencing a virus being spread in the humidity of summer.

So, tell me why people should be rushing out to get a vaccine that may not work for them, and could pose health issues that they currently do not have, and then have to get booster shots periodically when it's mathematically unlikely they'll either get the virus or, if they do, die from it. By ALL indications, the current variant - the Delta, to be precise - is akin to hayfever. I personally know of three people who have had this. NONE of them have died. Two of whom were fully vaccinated. The other had the WuhanFlu once previously.

You want to state that a kid your daughter knows developed a leaky heart valve after getting Covid. What about the people who have suffered serious side effects from the vaccine? I'd guess that the kid in your anecdote and the people who have had side effects from the vaccine are about the same percentage. Yet you want to jump feet first into "errywon muss be gets da chot" before considering that there very well could be side effects YEARS down the line from the vaccine. It could be 100% safe. We. Do. Not. Know. what the future holds.

But, you do you. You get your shot and get the little Flogdytes vaxxed. Let others worry about themselves and their own damn kids. Put your seat belt on tight around your neck and go for a ride. Let others decide what is best for them. Because, by God, you've had your vaccine. It should be enough to keep you safe, right?
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When 2,000 words are needed to rebut 20 words, you’re getting your *** kicked in an argument.
 
Troglodyte said:
When 2,000 words are needed to rebut 20 words, you’re getting your *** kicked in an argument.
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I'd argue even 50 words aren't worth it for your trolling, freeloading *** (unless to mock & laugh) - but he's just laying out valid points.

But you do you, bubble boy.
 
Troglodyte said:
When 2,000 words are needed to rebut 20 words, you’re getting your *** kicked in an argument.
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My polgeez. Forgot that you have the attention span of a gnat.
 
Troglodyte said:
When 2,000 words are needed to rebut 20 words, you’re getting your *** kicked in an argument.
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You fancy yourself a quick rebuttal artist.

I can assure you, we all just see you're an ignorant dipshit.

You can't hold a meaningful debate, never have been able to. So instead of debating, you look for loopholes and gotchas and one line zingers. You fail at that too.
 
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I logged in to a Zoom call sponsored by the CDC yesterday regarding booster shots. It was basically 5-6 short power point presentations given by a couple of different MDs and RN/PAs. My employees and I were just looking at each other in mild disbelieve at what we were hearing. A lot of "it is thought...", "the belief is...", "it is understood...".

It was VERY clear that the presenters were making a strenuous effort not to commit to any findings or expectations. the only time you could hear any conviction in their voice was when they were calling for the "next slide" in their presentation.

I don't fault them. The 'vaccine' is after all experimental, and the findings are all still pending or inconclusive. It would be malpractice for them to make definitive statements about efficacy or safety, so they parse their words carefully. They know what they don't know.

However, articles will be written by 'journalists' based on that presentation, or presentations like that one, and they will make their own uninformed conclusions on what was said. Lay people will then read those articles and come here, and other places online, and call people who chose to not get 'vaccinated' at this time "mouth-breathers" and other derogatory names. Its quite extraordinary that people with no medical background can be so convinced that they are so fully informed, when the people they are relying on for their information are so clearly not convinced. Trust me, you don't know what you don't know.
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
You fancy yourself a quick rebuttal artist.

I can assure you, we all just see you're an ignorant dipshit.

You can't hold a meaningful debate, never have been able to. So instead of debating, you look for loopholes and gotchas and one line zingers. You fail at that too.
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I fancy myself a person that accepts reality whether I like it or not. You fail at that. Read your posts in this and the Coronavirus thread over the past year and a half.

There is no meaningful debate with people who believe that society is conspiring against them and everything has an ulterior motive. Your contempt and outrage is juvenile.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
So with all these healthcare mandates, my employees are leaving in droves. My wife’s the same. They can not staff the buildings.

this has extended itself to hospitals. There are reasons why “we are at capacity”….it’s because when your not staffed, you can’t operate your full bed counts.

I see this as another major win for Biden. The downfall of nursing homes and by extension hospitals.
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Healthcare was already struggling with staffing this just makes things worse. A neighboring facility had 6 out of around 100 quit due to mandates. Doesn't seem like alot but when you are already short it makes a difference. Now with the vax being mandated in basically all facilities people are just bailing out of healthcare. My gf is a certified nurse aide who makes a little under $16/hr. She was looking at a job where you basically unpack totes, clean, and organize them which was paying $20/hr.
 
Troglodyte said:
I fancy myself a person that accepts reality whether I like it or not. You fail at that. Read your posts in this and the Coronavirus thread over the past year and a half.

There is no meaningful debate with people who believe that society is conspiring against them and everything has an ulterior motive. Your contempt and outrage is juvenile.
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you went over 20 words. FAIL.

though your response is telling.

No one has said "society is conspiring against them". Literally no one.
People are 100% questioning the validity of what is in the vaccine. You know, since it doesn't work as well as it was said to work.
 
Superman said:
My polgeez. Forgot that you have the attention span of a gnat.
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You lost me at “the south is where people go on vacation”. Ain’t nobody vacationing in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi.
 
Superman said:


you went over 20 words. FAIL.

though your response is telling.

No one has said "society is conspiring against them". Literally no one.
People are 100% questioning the validity of what is in the vaccine. You know, since it doesn't work as well as it was said to work.
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The validity of the vaccine, the validity of masks, the validity of social distancing, the validity of how many people have died, the validity of Covid itself, the validity of the election, the validity of what people saw witnessed on January 6th, the validity of wide spread media reports on just about anything…
 
Troglodyte said:
You lost me at “the south is where people go on vacation”. Ain’t nobody vacationing in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi.
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lemme see if i can put this in terms you can understand.

did yew vakashun in da souf?

(Key West is in Florida, which is in the South)
 
Troglodyte said:
I fancy myself a person that accepts reality whether I like it or not.
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Reality - masks don't work.
Reality - social distancing doesn't work.
Reality - the virus came from the Wuhan Lab.
Reality - the vaccines aren't what they were cracked up to be.
Reality - natural immunity is effective.
Reality - COVID is endemic. Will always be here.
Reality - the # of COVID dead listed is not the actual number of COVID dead.

Do you accept those realities?
 
Wow.

Significant risk of ADE with Vaccine: study...


Aims of the study​

Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID‐19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus.

Methods used to conduct the study​

Published literature was reviewed to identify preclinical and clinical evidence that COVID‐19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus. Clinical trial protocols for COVID‐19 vaccines were reviewed to determine if risks were properly disclosed.

Results of the study​

COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications​

The specific and significant COVID‐19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
 
I bet the resident Liberals who believe their warped existence is somehow mired in reality will find a way to dismiss CNBC and these scientists. Just wait.

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Scientists blast U.S. push for Covid vaccine booster shots as premature, say data isn't compelling

While data suggests there is a reduction in protection against mild and moderate disease, the shots still held up well against severe disease, scientists said.
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Scientists sharply criticized the Biden administration’s push to widely distribute Covid-19 vaccine booster shots in the U.S. next month, saying the data provided by federal health officials this week wasn’t compelling enough to recommend third shots to most of the American population right now.

U.S. health leaders say they are preparing to offer booster shots to all eligible Americans beginning the week of Sept. 20. The plan, outlined Wednesday by CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, acting FDA Commissioner Dr. Janet Woodcock, White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci and other health officials, calls for a third dose eight months after people get their second shot of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
 
Troglodyte said:
I fancy myself a person that accepts reality whether I like it or not. You fail at that. Read your posts in this and the Coronavirus thread over the past year and a half.

There is no meaningful debate with people who believe that society is conspiring against them and everything has an ulterior motive. Your contempt and outrage is juvenile.
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Reread, or perhaps just read the post from Stoney. I'm no longer in the game, but can assure you it's an accurate assessment.

To conclude that everything about this virus is an absolute fact is naive at best. There is also no meaningful debate with people who blindly believe
what a particular political party (pick one) or news agency tells them. When we stop questioning authority, when we are mandated by our government
regarding the most basic aspects of personal privacy, we no longer call ourselves a free society.
 
Troglodyte said:
I fancy myself a person that accepts reality whether I like it or not.
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So you accept the reality you're nothing but a freeloading troll without a single, solitary shred of credibility?

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Stoney said:
However, articles will be written by 'journalists' based on that presentation, or presentations like that one, and they will make their own uninformed conclusions on what was said. Lay people will then read those articles and come here, and other places online, and call people who chose to not get 'vaccinated' at this time "mouth-breathers" and other derogatory names. Its quite extraordinary that people with no medical background can be so convinced that they are so fully informed, when the people they are relying on for their information are so clearly not convinced. Trust me, you don't know what you don't know.
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Bingo. Thank you for some sanity, Stoney.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Reread, or perhaps just read the post from Stoney. I'm no longer in the game, but can assure you it's an accurate assessment.

To conclude that everything about this virus is an absolute fact is naive at best. There is also no meaningful debate with people who blindly believe
what a particular political party (pick one) or news agency tells them. When we stop questioning authority, when we are mandated by our government
regarding the most basic aspects of personal privacy, we no longer call ourselves a free society.
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If I was still in charge of awarding "Winner of the Internet, Today", I would give it to you!
 
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