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Covid Vaccine

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Ideology. Belief set in. He won't stop believing.

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Church Lady: Well isn't this special?


WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public later this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

Less than three weeks ago, Mr. Biden said that contingent on F.D.A. approval, the government planned to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months ago. That would include many health care workers and nursing home residents, as well as some people older than 65, who were generally the first to be vaccinated. Administration officials have said that recipients of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine would probably be offered an additional shot soon as well.

Mr. Biden cast the strategy as another tool that the nation needed to battle the highly contagious Delta variant, which has driven up infection rates, swamped hospitals with Covid-19 patients and is now leading to an average of more than 1,500 deaths a day. “The plan is for every adult to get a booster shot eight months after you got your second shot,” he said on Aug. 18, adding, “It will make you safer, and for longer. And it will help us end the pandemic faster.”
 
meanwhile, Flog has hypodermics shoved in every pore of his skin
 
There have been Three women where my wife works that have died from strokes all three fully vaccinated and all three were in there early sixties. is this just a coincidence?
Like soon after the poke?
 
So let me get this straight. Because the initial trials didn't focus on people with pre-existing conditions, that explains why the vaccines' efficacies have dropped over time?????

Thousands of articles/studies/research around the globe are showing the vaccines' efficacies are waning. But you still do be argue they are as good day one as they are 6 months after receiving them....DESPITE even your media saying they are waning.

Got it. You're an ideologue.
No. You claimed the findings were wrong while referring to an immunocompromised person when the findings had NOTHING to do with the immunocompromised.
 
No. You claimed the findings were wrong while referring to an immunocompromised person when the findings had NOTHING to do with the immunocompromised.

So you're saying the vaccines only work on the non-immunocompromised populations??

That's promising.
 
Church Lady: Well isn't this special?


WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public later this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

Less than three weeks ago, Mr. Biden said that contingent on F.D.A. approval, the government planned to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months ago. That would include many health care workers and nursing home residents, as well as some people older than 65, who were generally the first to be vaccinated. Administration officials have said that recipients of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine would probably be offered an additional shot soon as well.

Mr. Biden cast the strategy as another tool that the nation needed to battle the highly contagious Delta variant, which has driven up infection rates, swamped hospitals with Covid-19 patients and is now leading to an average of more than 1,500 deaths a day. “The plan is for every adult to get a booster shot eight months after you got your second shot,” he said on Aug. 18, adding, “It will make you safer, and for longer. And it will help us end the pandemic faster.”
Sounds like the regulators aren’t convinced the vaccines are waning…
 
So you're saying the vaccines only work on the non-immunocompromised populations??

That's promising.
So instead of getting your (mis)information from YouTube and social media, why don’t you read up and actually educate yourself?

 
Unfound? Really?

People are advised to wear seatbelts, it doesn’t always save their life. What could possibly be your point?

And how am I ******** on him, exactly?
Seatbelts are a great theoretical comparison… wearing a seatbelt absolutely reduces injury in most, but not all, accidents… in a front or rear end collision they have likely saved countless lives, but a little discussed fact it the can be extremely dangerous for certain side impact accidents… if you deep dive into the seatbelt debate there is more grey area than one would think about mandatory seat belt laws

now I always wear mine. I believe the statistics might be inflated but most car accidents are rear or front end impact, but I totally understand the idea that it should not be a law because it should be a personal choice… if there is a reasonable and realistic chance that it might kill or maim you, then the item should be voluntary…

in comparison with say the helmet laws for motorcycles… I've never heard of an instance where a helmet killed someone… yet those are weirdly optional…
 
Sounds like the regulators aren’t convinced the vaccines are waning…
No they are scared shitless that mixing vaccines or using too many boosters could lead to various complications… there have been cases where low efficiency vaccines that prevent death but not transmission can lead to scary results

just because one dose work’s doesn’t mean a second or third or fourth is instantly safe…
 
Sounds like the regulators aren’t convinced the vaccines are waning…

Because they are asking for underlying data? LOL. And you're talking about the FDA, come on tool.

How many sources do you need from around the globe...how many quotes, how many studies, how much evidence...before you abandon your religion?

IF the vaccines aren't waning...why are they asking for boosters...including YOUR White House? This ought to be good.
 
So instead of getting your (mis)information from YouTube and social media, why don’t you read up and actually educate yourself?

But you do be say that ERRYONE should be getting stabby stab jabby jab, completely glossing over that some people cannot, some people should not and others are totally distrusting in the goobermint. then have the goddamned audacity to blame it on right wingers.
 
Seatbelts are a great theoretical comparison… wearing a seatbelt absolutely reduces injury in most, but not all, accidents… in a front or rear end collision they have likely saved countless lives, but a little discussed fact it the can be extremely dangerous for certain side impact accidents… if you deep dive into the seatbelt debate there is more grey area than one would think about mandatory seat belt laws

now I always wear mine. I believe the statistics might be inflated but most car accidents are rear or front end impact, but I totally understand the idea that it should not be a law because it should be a personal choice… if there is a reasonable and realistic chance that it might kill or maim you, then the item should be voluntary…

in comparison with say the helmet laws for motorcycles… I've never heard of an instance where a helmet killed someone… yet those are weirdly optional…

When we were younger, my stepsister was in a car wreck. Side impact. Had to have a foot of her colon removed because of the damage the lower seatbelt caused.

She still wears seat belts of course because the odds are in her favor otherwise.
 
When we were younger, my stepsister was in a car wreck. Side impact. Had to have a foot of her colon removed because of the damage the lower seatbelt caused.

She still wears seat belts of course because the odds are in her favor otherwise.
so she votes a straight Democrat ticket now, right
 
So instead of getting your (mis)information from YouTube and social media, why don’t you read up and actually educate yourself?


Good God dope...this person WAS vaccinated. No one here...no one...is arguing about whether the immunocompromised should or should not get vaccinated. Except you with yourself.

It's just more evidence that as time passes and the vaccines wane and breakthrough cases explode and more and more vaccinated people get hospitalized and die that the vaccines' collective effectiveness after round one are wearing off.

BTW, your fearless preacher Fraudci said today the Mu variant, technically known as B.1.621, has mutations suggesting "it would evade certain antibodies," potentially including those from vaccines.

Booster shot 12, come on down!
 
Because they are asking for underlying data? LOL. And you're talking about the FDA, come on tool.

How many sources do you need from around the globe...how many quotes, how many studies, how much evidence...before you abandon your religion?

IF the vaccines aren't waning...why are they asking for boosters...including YOUR White House? This ought to be good.
WARNING: You’re not gonna like this article, it talks about math…

 
Good God dope...this person WAS vaccinated. No one here...no one...is arguing about whether the immunocompromised should or should not get vaccinated. Except you with yourself.

It's just more evidence that as time passes and the vaccines wane and breakthrough cases explode and more and more vaccinated people get hospitalized and die that the vaccines' collective effectiveness after round one are wearing off.

BTW, your fearless preacher Fraudci said today the Mu variant, technically known as B.1.621, has mutations suggesting "it would evade certain antibodies," potentially including those from vaccines.

Booster shot 12, come on down!
You asked if vaccines work for the immunocompromised. I provided you an article. “This person”? WTF?
 
WARNING: You’re not gonna like this article, it talks about math…


Yah. The New York Slime. Right. OK.

I don't know....how about the ******* CDC you love to love until you don't love what they say?


Two new studies from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show fully vaccinated Americans’ immunity to Covid-19 is waning as the more-transmissible Delta variant continues to spread across the country.

One study, which focused on frontline health care workers, found that vaccine effectiveness declined by nearly thirty percentage points since the Delta variant became the dominant strain in the U.S.

Study One: Nearly a 30% point drop. Woah.

The second study examined 43,000 Los Angeles residents age 16 and older. It found that 25 percent of new infections from May to July were in fully vaccinated individuals, while 71 percent occurred in unvaccinated people.


In a letter to The New England Journal of Medicine, publishing online September 1, 2021, an interdisciplinary team of physicians and public health experts at University of California San Diego measured the effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines among health workers at UC San Diego Health, most notably during the emergence of the highly transmissible delta virus variant and coincident with the end of the state's mask mandate, allowing fully vaccinated persons to forgo face coverings in most places.

The letter's authors report that the effectiveness of both the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines significantly waned over time.
In the letter, the authors note that from March through June 2021 vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection was estimated to exceed 90 percent; by July, however, it had fallen to approximately 65 percent.

Covid Study: Covid immunity wanes 6 months after the Pfizer vax - this is the Pfizer CEO....admitting the vaccines WANE


We have the Israel study, the LARGEST study of its kind done to date, that has been posted for you a dozen times:

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Nursing home protection drops to 53.1%​

Protection against infection falls to 79.8%​



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The ******* Washington Compost even states immunity is waning

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How much more evidence do you need?

I countered your New York Slime with the CDC (multiple studies), health experts and their submission to the NEJM, Pfizer's OWN CEO, a Medrxiv study, CIDRAP, the BMJ, the Liberal Washington Compost, and a European view published by the BBC.

But...the New York Slime says...

The evidence right now is pretty ******* overwhelming. Kudos to hanging on to the theory that vaccines are as effective day one as they are at 6 and 8 months.

Again I'll ask...if they were still effective, why will you need boosters?
 
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You asked if vaccines work for the immunocompromised. I provided you an article. “This person”? WTF?

Good ******* God you are dense. You can't even read da English.

My quote: "So you're saying the vaccines only work on the non-immunocompromised populations??"

How is that me asking if the vax works for the IMMUNOCOMPROMISED?

You're so ******* lost it's hysterical. But I do love the beat downs.
 
No they are scared shitless that mixing vaccines or using too many boosters could lead to various complications… there have been cases where low efficiency vaccines that prevent death but not transmission can lead to scary results

just because one dose work’s doesn’t mean a second or third or fourth is instantly safe…
I think 12 is the right number. Yeah 12
 
I'm not sure I could have disliked this person more...until now.

I know some here cheer this on.



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The findings of vaccines effectiveness were based on the initial trials. Immunocompromised people with pre-existing conditions were NOT included in the trials. You’re a ******* idiot to think that the findings would apply to them.
The initial trials had no variants included and were so short term no realistic concept of how long they would last were ever made… moreover most apparently didn’t account for natural immunity so the numbers could have been a little lower and nobody noticed…

i think the initial J&J numbers were more realistic for the MRNA stuff as well.. i think they just were unfortunate enough to catch the first wave of variants and thats why the numbers were lower
 
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