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Covid Vaccine

Just when you wonder what Administration is up to lately, and what DOJ thinks about mandatory Covid flu shots:

 
The reasoning is the same????????

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The reasons are vastly OPPOSITE. The WHO did not say Boosters are NOT needed because the current vaccines are working. They said they advise against rolling out boosters now because 3rd world countries should get their first rounds of vaccines. Their reasoning was in no way at all a reflection of, commentary of, opinion of the effectiveness of the vaccines. It was a cost benefit analysis - is our benefit greater getting round one of vaccines out to under vaccinated countries OR is it greater in providing boosters to those already vaccinated?



You simply are an ideologue. For the past 4 pages, you have been presented with scientific evidence, study after study, evidence, experts, and news sources that show boosters are needed because the current round of vaccines are running out of gas. Thus...Delta is tearing through the country.

Current 7 day Case Average: 150K cases a day.
June 7 day Case Average: 11,200 cases a day.
USA: 52% fully vaccinated

What a god damned advertisement for the effectiveness of the vaccines!! They work so well, look! In 2 months, cases only increased over 1200%!! Can you imagine how bad it would have been if over half our country wasn't vaccinated?!?! Get the Jab JFC!!



Yeah, wrong. That is a problem, but not the greater problem. The first round of vaccines that you and millions of others got don't prevent spread. Rising breakthrough cases that have gone from 1% to god knows what in just months. Rising #s of vaccinated hospitalized - 40% of ICU beds in some areas. The vaccines suck against Delta than the original version. The vaccines will suck worse against Lambda, here now. The vaccines won't touch Mu...also here now.

If everyone, 100% of us, had the jabby stab...it doesn't make those issues go away. Without boosters, they will essentially be useless against Lambda/Mu, Covid will skyrocket. It's still unclear on the "preventing serious illness" part if the original vaccines will have any or good effectiveness against these new variants.

So get your boosters!
You’re delusional. People not being vaccinated at all is absolutely a far greater problem than the vaccines waning. Find one qualified person arguing otherwise.
 
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Your delusional. People not being vaccinated at all is absolutely a far greater problem than the vaccines waning. Find one qualified person arguing otherwise.
If they have already had Covid I know plenty of Doctors and microbiologists who would argue that.
 

Wednesday, September 08, 2021​

Learn to live with covid​


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On April 27, 2020, the Portland Press-Herald reported, "Rye [New Hampshire] police are advising surfers to catch a wave elsewhere or face the prospective of a fine.

"Rye Police Chief Kevin Walsh said his officers are weary of chasing off surfers in groups as large as 10 who are ignoring beach closures.

"Many are parking in church lots and on private property, so Walsh is seeking permission from these property owners to ticket and tow the vehicles. Police may also start issuing tickets to surfers for trespassing on the beach."
Chief Walsh's efforts were in vain. Guarding 19 miles of ocean from 10 surfers did not work. Covid spread across the state.
Masks did not work.
Social distancing did not work.
Plexiglass did not work.
Bumping elbows instead of shaking hands did not work.
Separating loved ones from their dying relatives did not work.
Shutting down the economy did not work.
Vaccines don't seem to be working either. Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, is suffering its worst covid wave yet.
Sweden didn't lockdown and it did little worse than anyone else and fared better than some.
It is time to live again.
Americans need to live like Americans again. Two centuries before Chief Walsh, another New Hampshire leader -- General John Stark -- the hero of the Battle of Bennington -- wrote to his men, "Live Free Or Die."
We need to be worthy of General Stark and go back to being Americans.

Yes, everybody with an ocean
Across the U.S.A
Go out and be surfin'
Even Californi-a
Go put on your baggies
Huarache sandals too
This is, this is what we do
Surfin' U.S.A.
General Stark and his men and the Green Mountain Boys of the Republic of Vermont fought a Revolutionary War amid a smallpox epidemic in which one-third of those infected died.
Not 0.5%.
33%.
They did not Zoom the war. They fought. They did not allow an actual plague to stop them from living before they died.
What has living like inmates locked down on death row achieved?
Nothing.
The New York Daily News reported, "Daily coronavirus cases are four times higher than they were following Labor Day weekend of last year with the number of daily deaths twice as high as they were this time in 2020, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
"Since the global health crisis emerged in late 2019, the United States has recorded more than 40 million COVID-19 cases, including just 4 million in the last month alone.

"Health officials noted the biggest difference between this year and last is the delta variant. They blamed the 316% increase over last year’s daily infections on the highly contagious covid 19 mutation as well as a large number of Americans refusing to become vaccinated against the fast-spreading disease.
"According to data from Health and Human Services, hospitalization rates are also up 157% compared with Labor Day weekend 2020, leaving medical facilities packed to the brim and their staffs exhausted and overwhelmed.
"What’s more, intensive care units across several states are inching closer to full capacity, which could force doctors to make life-and-death decisions."
The report is a bunch of Bolshevik Propaganda.
But the Pandemic Panic Press inadvertently makes my point. A year ago, we had no vaccine. Now we do and half the population is vaccinated and cases have quadrupled, then nothing works.
Blaming the unvaccinated for the increase is ridiculous. Last year no one was vaccinated, and we had one-fourth the cases we have now.
We know why.
The government and the media are manipulating the data.
At some point, we have to quit being babies and go back to being Americans.
Oh sure. Take precautions. I am not really sure just what those precautions are because none of them have stemmed the spread of covid. I was vaccinated. That seemed to work. But you do you.
Above all live.
 
So how about this… if any health conditions arise from the vaccines and it overcrowds hospitals.. the vaccinated dont get beds since it was their choice to get the vaccine after all…

that doesn’t sound fair to me… not one iota more than the unvaccinated being excluded from anything

this is very scary strong arm tactics being employed here…

The libs are going to freak out when the standards they are backing now are applied to them when the globalists inevitably line up on the opposite side of one of their beliefs…

they all quote that poem about the Nazis coming for groups of people, yet not one of them seem to grasp its message…

Forcing beliefs on others and demonizing groups always ends up badly… always…
 
Your delusional. People not being vaccinated at all is absolutely a far greater problem than the vaccines waning. Find one qualified person arguing otherwise.

You couldn't get a point if it was at the end of a harpoon jammed between your eyes.

Floggy: The number of people not vaccinated is our biggest problem.
TSF: The greater problem is the vaccines aren't preventing spread (i.e., 100% of us - vaccinated or not - can and do spread COVID)

Evidence: A 1,200+% increase in cases in 2 months, a 52% vaccinated populace, and 145K cases per day - a higher caseload per day than any point in 2020 except December.

If I'd have told you or anyone in November last year that by September 2021 we would have over half of the US fully vaccinated, but we would be seeing 145K cases a day... you and any logical person (wait...you don't fit in that group) would have said then "why would you take the vax? We need better vaccines than that!"
 

Summary

What is already known about this topic?
During 2020, approximately 375,000 U.S. deaths were attributed to COVID-19.
What is added by this report?
Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition (e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both.
What are the implications for public health practice?
These findings support the accuracy of COVID-19 mortality surveillance in the United States using official death certificates. High-quality documentation of death certificate diagnoses is essential for an authoritative public record.

that red part - since @Tim Steelersfan do be struggle with the common core maths, would @Troglodyte please tell the class that that means just 20,792 deaths were pure Covid? TIA.
 
You couldn't get a point if it was at the end of a harpoon jammed between your eyes.

Floggy: The number of people not vaccinated is our biggest problem.
TSF: The greater problem is the vaccines aren't preventing spread (i.e., 100% of us - vaccinated or not - can and do spread COVID)

Evidence: A 1,200+% increase in cases in 2 months, a 52% vaccinated populace, and 145K cases per day - a higher caseload per day than any point in 2020 except December.

If I'd have told you or anyone in November last year that by September 2021 we would have over half of the US fully vaccinated, but we would be seeing 145K cases a day... you and any logical person (wait...you don't fit in that group) would have said then "why would you take the vax? We need better vaccines than that!"
Again, math and perspective escape you. The cases are due to the unvaccinated.

 
Again, math and perspective escape you. The cases are due to the unvaccinated.

https://www.wvpublic.org/government...ials-say-breakthrough-covid-cases-on-the-rise
https://fee.org/articles/what-is-the-true-vaccine-breakthrough-rate-the-cdc-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html
 

Summary

What is already known about this topic?
During 2020, approximately 375,000 U.S. deaths were attributed to COVID-19.
What is added by this report?
Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition (e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both.
What are the implications for public health practice?
These findings support the accuracy of COVID-19 mortality surveillance in the United States using official death certificates. High-quality documentation of death certificate diagnoses is essential for an authoritative public record.

that red part - since @Tim Steelersfan do be struggle with the common core maths, would @Troglodyte please tell the class that that means just 20,792 deaths were pure Covid? TIA.
Does anyone know if there is a similar breakdown in other years for the flu? Asking for a friend.......
I have read elsewhere (maybe here) that the average expected lifespan of those succumbing with Covid is only 7 months, meaning that most of those who did die and had Covid were not really going to live very long in any event.
 
Wait...what? A single shot for both the rona and the flu? How is that possible? Unless...


HEALTH AND SCIENCE

Moderna shares rise after company reveals single-shot vaccine booster for Covid and flu​

PUBLISHED THU, SEP 9 20219:52 AM EDTUPDATED AN HOUR AGO


  • Moderna’s new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines its current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development.
  • The company’s stock rose after the announcement.
In this article
Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, Cali

Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, California on Monday, Feb. 8, 2021.
Stephen Lam | San Francisco Chronicle | Hearst Newspapers via Getty Images
Moderna shares rose Thursday after it announced it’s developing a two-in-one vaccine booster shot that protects against both Covid-19 and the seasonal flu.
The new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines Moderna’s current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development, according to a press release. Shares of Moderna jumped by more than 5% after the announcement.

“Today we are announcing the first step in our novel respiratory vaccine program with the development of a single dose vaccine that combines a booster against COVID-19 and a booster against flu,” CEO Stephane Bancel said in a statement Thursday.

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Wait...what? A single shot for both the rona and the flu? How is that possible? Unless...


HEALTH AND SCIENCE

Moderna shares rise after company reveals single-shot vaccine booster for Covid and flu​

PUBLISHED THU, SEP 9 20219:52 AM EDTUPDATED AN HOUR AGO


  • Moderna’s new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines its current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development.
  • The company’s stock rose after the announcement.
In this article
Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, Cali

Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, California on Monday, Feb. 8, 2021.
Stephen Lam | San Francisco Chronicle | Hearst Newspapers via Getty Images
Moderna shares rose Thursday after it announced it’s developing a two-in-one vaccine booster shot that protects against both Covid-19 and the seasonal flu.
The new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines Moderna’s current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development, according to a press release. Shares of Moderna jumped by more than 5% after the announcement.

“Today we are announcing the first step in our novel respiratory vaccine program with the development of a single dose vaccine that combines a booster against COVID-19 and a booster against flu,” CEO Stephane Bancel said in a statement Thursday.

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Thanks Indy. It is about time someone put Superman and Clark Kent together for the masses.
Lets see if the resident socialists understand the simple bait and switch scam they have fallen for....
 
Wait...what? A single shot for both the rona and the flu? How is that possible? Unless...


HEALTH AND SCIENCE

Moderna shares rise after company reveals single-shot vaccine booster for Covid and flu​

PUBLISHED THU, SEP 9 20219:52 AM EDTUPDATED AN HOUR AGO


  • Moderna’s new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines its current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development.
  • The company’s stock rose after the announcement.
In this article
Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, Cali

Anjali Sundararaman, a student nurse at San Francisco State University, administers a dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine to Cuixia Xu during a vaccination clinic at the Southeast Health Center in the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood in San Francisco, California on Monday, Feb. 8, 2021.
Stephen Lam | San Francisco Chronicle | Hearst Newspapers via Getty Images
Moderna shares rose Thursday after it announced it’s developing a two-in-one vaccine booster shot that protects against both Covid-19 and the seasonal flu.
The new vaccine, which the company is calling mRNA-1073, combines Moderna’s current Covid vaccine with a flu shot that’s also under development, according to a press release. Shares of Moderna jumped by more than 5% after the announcement.

“Today we are announcing the first step in our novel respiratory vaccine program with the development of a single dose vaccine that combines a booster against COVID-19 and a booster against flu,” CEO Stephane Bancel said in a statement Thursday.

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I knew that was coming.


Around 50% of our mortality rate is from lifestyle choices alone.

Anyone bitching about people not getting shots should reevaluate their life, then shut the **** up.
 
I mean a month ago the cdc reported that 72% of the adult population in the us was vaccinated

its expected to be closer to 80% now…but remember several percentage points of the unvaccinated are people who medically cannot be vaccinated… the huge unvaccinated numbers are in the children section and its still relatively dangerous to use the vaccines on them, which is why that age group was excluded from the “approval” the fda gave out

but the children section of tge demographic makes up virtually nothing of the hospitalizations…

so here is where data crunching gets interesting

If we had a media that weren’t lemmings…they’d ask the following questions

1. what percentage of the hospitalization numbers were hospitalized before they had covid

2. what percentage of hospitalization and death numbers were from people so immune compromised that they were not eligible for the vax?

3. what percentage of vaccinated are being tested, because that number continues to be extremely low which is going to bias everything else… remember many companies have mandatory weekly testing for the unvaccinated… so catching cases there is way more likely…
 
Again, math and perspective escape you. The cases are due to the unvaccinated.

While doing research I found a chart on the CDC talking about deaths among vaccinated, there were 2400 something confirmed deaths reported to that point with a positive Covid test. The official tally included all who tested positive, despite it stating 21 percent were verified to not have died due to covid! 21%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now obviously this is just an extrapolation from the vaccinated only but it puts a real number to this argument about the overcount of deaths attributable to COvid not just where Covid was found.

That would mean around 141,000 thousand reported deaths listed in the Covid Count were NOT attributed to Covid. That is a sizable change in the total numbers.
 
Anyone bitching about people not getting shots should reevaluate their life, then shut the **** up.

I'll take just shutting the **** up. They're too busy evaluating the way other people should live to even look in the mirror.
 
While doing research I found a chart on the CDC talking about deaths among vaccinated, there were 2400 something confirmed deaths reported to that point with a positive Covid test. The official tally included all who tested positive, despite it stating 21 percent were verified to not have died due to covid! 21%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now obviously this is just an extrapolation from the vaccinated only but it puts a real number to this argument about the overcount of deaths attributable to COvid not just where Covid was found.

That would mean around 141,000 thousand reported deaths listed in the Covid Count were NOT attributed to Covid. That is a sizable change in the total numbers.
Thats roughly the math I've seen about the overestimated numbers… its still a pretty high total…. I think it was around 170k…
I don’t know why they’re that desperate to inflate it unnecessarily… this is why people don’t trust the data… 500k over two years is still pretty bad…
 
I asked a legitimate, relevant question and you won't answer. Why?
he/she/they/they/them will answer your seemingly legit, relevant question only AFTER you secure your $50 from jitter.
 
Again, math and perspective escape you. The cases are due to the unvaccinated.


Stupid *** stupid article deceptively written. Do you even pay attention??

Article: In the last week, 4,415 new breakthrough cases -- infections in people who have been vaccinated -- were reported, with 111 more vaccinated people hospitalized
Also article: just 0.02% of vaccinated people are hospitalized, and 0.53% have been infected. <---What % of the CASES found were vaccinated people?? Instead they say "of the entire vaccinated population", the vast majority of which were not tested last week. Remove the ring from thine nose you are being led around with.

They are comparing different populations to misconstrue the results. They compare cases (infected persons) with the whole universe of vaccinated people probably 92% of which didn't get tested last week. Brilliant.

Here are the facts they should have laid out: That article was published September 7. The past week would have been Aug 31 to September 6. Total cases for MA from 8/31 to 9/6 were 11,751 cases. Therefore, of the TOTAL number of cases, 4,415 were UNVACCINATED people (38%) and 7,336 were VACCINATED people (62%).

The article does not tell you that breakthrough cases represented nearly 40% of their total cases. No, they mislead you.

To make a fair and honest comparison, they would have compared all unvaccinated people in the state to all vaccinated people in the state, OR they would have compared the vaccinated cases v the unvaccinated cases as I did above.

The article intentionally and willfully works to minimize numbers so as to push a false message.

38% of their caseload last week was vaccinated people. To say their cases are DUE to unvaccinated people is to omit nearly 40% of the results.
 
Stupid *** stupid article deceptively written. Do you even pay attention??

Article: In the last week, 4,415 new breakthrough cases -- infections in people who have been vaccinated -- were reported, with 111 more vaccinated people hospitalized
Also article: just 0.02% of vaccinated people are hospitalized, and 0.53% have been infected. <---What % of the CASES found were vaccinated people?? Instead they say "of the entire vaccinated population", the vast majority of which were not tested last week. Remove the ring from thine nose you are being led around with.

They are comparing different populations to misconstrue the results. They compare cases (infected persons) with the whole universe of vaccinated people probably 92% of which didn't get tested last week. Brilliant.

Here are the facts they should have laid out: That article was published September 7. The past week would have been Aug 31 to September 6. Total cases for MA from 8/31 to 9/6 were 11,751 cases. Therefore, of the TOTAL number of cases, 4,415 were UNVACCINATED people (38%) and 7,336 were VACCINATED people (62%).

The article does not tell you that breakthrough cases represented nearly 40% of their total cases. No, they mislead you.

To make a fair and honest comparison, they would have compared all unvaccinated people in the state to all vaccinated people in the state, OR they would have compared the vaccinated cases v the unvaccinated cases as I did above.

The article intentionally and willfully works to minimize numbers so as to push a false message.

38% of their caseload last week was vaccinated people. To say their cases are DUE to unvaccinated people is to omit nearly 40% of the results.
Dipshit, breakthrough cases are VACCINATED. So 38% were vaccinated. Massachusetts is 66.6% vaccinated. So the vaccinated are 3.3 times less likely to be infected. That’s over 5,000 Covid cases the unvaccinated could have prevented in Massachusetts alone.
 
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Dipshit, breakthrough cases are VACCINATED. So 38% were vaccinated. Massachusetts is 66.6% vaccinated. So the vaccinated are 3.3 times less likely to be infected.

You finally, thoroughly read a reply of mine!! I'm stunned. I'm glad you got all of that from what I wrote. You're learning. Progress comes in small steps.

I said exactly what you said above in my post. 38% of cases in a week were vaccinated people. We have been told...and YOU have reminded us...breakthrough cases are incredibly rare. My, how times have changed huh? Still stand by that?

Those numbers continue to grow as more and more vaccinated people approach the 6 month anniversary of their vaccinations.

And finally, as a reminder, the article was deceptive. No arguing that. Saying just 0.02% of vaccinated people were infected was bullshit. Just 0.3% of unvaccinated people were too. But they didn't make that compare.

2 months ago, it was 99% of infections were unvaccinated people. Do you see the change? It isn't the unvaccinated alone driving case loads. The vaccinated are a rising % of those cases every week....everywhere.
 
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