Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

Good point. If someone goes to the ER with mild symptoms, and is sent home with orders to take Tylenol for fever and Robitussin for cough, are they counting that as a 'hospitalization'? The average length of stay would be interesting information.

What they found when they researched the article was that 57% of cases dubbed hospitalizations in the data were either

people already in the hospital who got covid while there,

people being admitted for a different reason but who tested positive at admission,

people with no discernible symptoms who were kept for observation because of co-morbidities

or patient complaints about something that were kept as a precaution….

57%…. Of that scary hospitalization number being brandished about

 

[Confluence]

Too bad this board can't be like the legitimate social media platforms that ban users who spread conspiracy theories and anti-vaccination propaganda.

Well, this would be a really lonely place, so nevermind. The delusional right needs a place to gather, play grabass and disseminate their falsehoods. SN seems to be it. By all means, carry on.

Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot,, advocating censorship, again, with those that disagree with him.

 

[Tibs]

Tim, Steeltime & the SN crew stands with Nicki Minaj! She's a leading scientific expert on the Covid vaccine, just like Tim! Keep your head on a swivel, don't trust the government, do your own research, folks!

 

[Badcat]

Tim, Steeltime & the SN crew stands with Nicki Minaj! She's a leading scientific expert on the Covid vaccine, just like Tim! Keep your head on a swivel, don't trust the government, do your own research, folks!

The difference is that we know that untalented ***** is a moron...it's you who believe everything at face value. Proven on this very thread and others. nice try deflecting your ignorance onto others, but it lays directly with you.

 

[Sarge]

don't trust the government

What surprises me is how much you DO trust the government. They have proven themselves, repeatedly, to not be brokers of the truth. Administration after administration, politician after politician, caught flat out lying, often times about trivial stuff, and you trust them with your life. Tibs, this may come as a surprise, but no matter what they've told you, they do not have your best interest at heart. It's true. You are a means to an end. A vote. Nothing more.

 

[Confluence]

What surprises me is how much you DO trust the government. They have proven themselves, repeatedly, to not be brokers of the truth. Administration after administration, politician after politician, caught flat out lying, often times about trivial stuff, and you trust them with your life. Tibs, this may come as a surprise, but no matter what they've told you, they do not have your best interest at heart. It's true. You are a means to an end. A vote. Nothing more.

Unfortunately, he believes he is closer to first among equals.

 

[Troglodyte]

I don't think anyone in their right mind is thinking that, Mad.

No, SIL did indeed claim that the vaccine IS, not “can” or “could”, but IS causing Covid variants. Which is why I ask what does an article that pre-dates Covid have to do with that?

 

[Troglodyte]

Yep, it’s the unvaccinated, 94% of new cases…

New Pennsylvania data: Almost all COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths among those not fully vaccinated

The data show 97% of deaths so far from COVID-19 in Pennsylvania in 2021 occurred in those who were not fully vaccinated, as well as 95% of hospitalizations and 94% of cases.

www.post-gazette.com

 

[Troglodyte]

What surprises me is how much you DO trust the government. They have proven themselves, repeatedly, to not be brokers of the truth. Administration after administration, politician after politician, caught flat out lying, often times about trivial stuff, and you trust them with your life. Tibs, this may come as a surprise, but no matter what they've told you, they do not have your best interest at heart. It's true. You are a means to an end. A vote. Nothing more.

Government? No. Governments the world over. Private Doctors the world over.

 

[Troglodyte]

Tim, Steeltime & the SN crew stands with Nicki Minaj! She's a leading scientific expert on the Covid vaccine, just like Tim! Keep your head on a swivel, don't trust the government, do your own research, folks!

Covid, on the contrary… poor Turtle Dick Tim…

Yes, COVID-19 Can Cause Erectile Dysfunction

Research suggests negative effects on sexual health due to coronavirus

health.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Troglodyte]

For ***** sake JFC! /Floggy

Can you ever stay on point? And seriously, are you really this dumb? Please tell me this is an act??

SIL has made the claim that scientists have made that the vaccines are leaky. Vaccines that are leaky allow the virus to spread. As long as a virus is spreading and finding new hosts, it will mutate/evolve. The flu does this. The cold does this. Covid...is doing this.

SIL may have used the word "create" inappropriately, but we all know his point was that these vaccines may be leaky. So, in your infantile attempts to always be right and try to play "gotcha" you pushed him for a source and he provided you with one 100% solid and appropriate for the conversation: How Vaccines Can Drive Pathogens to Evolve - Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control.

Showing an article from 2018 is apropos because it's about "vaccines" and ya'll do be claim these are vaccines.

So you go off half-cocked saying he's full of **** then post an article that says DELTA DID NOT COME FROM THE VACCINES. Do you not see how these are two different discussions?? He's arguing, rightfully so, that weak vaccines can allow viruses to live on, find new hosts, and evolve.

You come back with some dumb **** fact checking saying the vaccines did not CREATE the Delta variant.

Delta was first spotted in October of last year. So.........it isn't even possible "the vaccines magically made Delta voila!"

None of which changes the fact that Covid is being spread by unvaxed and vaxed people, the vaccines are waning, and the virus has a world full of hosts in which it continues to thrive and EVOLVE.

Could you...for once...argue the topic at hand and stay ON the topic at hand?

You’re the one who is off point. Once again, when you (or one of your fellow Loonies) loses an argument, you try to change what the argument was about. The point was indeed whether or not the vaccine DID create variants. “Can” does not equal “IS”. Big difference and how fake news is spread. No wonder you try to defend it.

 

[Badcat]

Yep, it’s the unvaccinated, 94% of new cases…

New Pennsylvania data: Almost all COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths among those not fully vaccinated

The data show 97% of deaths so far from COVID-19 in Pennsylvania in 2021 occurred in those who were not fully vaccinated, as well as 95% of hospitalizations and 94% of cases.

www.post-gazette.com

Again, you read headlines and post. "The state is still in the process of collecting hospitalization data, Ms. Beam said, and the figures reported Tuesday encompass about 55% of hospitals and 80% of acute hospital beds."

Nearly half of Hospitals were sampled, if you have ever taken Statistics you would know how badly you can skew numbers from that small of a sampling. But, you dont care about facts, just misleading headlines that spread fear.

 

[Sarge]

Government? No. Governments the world over. Private Doctors the world over.

Did he say that? No, he said "the government." I'm not worried about governments the world over. I am worried about ours. You should be too.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

No, SIL did indeed claim that the vaccine IS, not “can” or “could”, but IS causing Covid variants. Which is why I ask what does an article that pre-dates Covid have to do with that?

Where the **** did I say that? I showed you it could cause them and most likely will. I can't find anywhere that I said they have done this. Why do you hate science?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

You’re the one who is off point. Once again, when you (or one of your fellow Loonies) loses an argument, you try to change what the argument was about. The point was indeed whether or not the vaccine DID create variants. “Can” does not equal “IS”. Big difference and how fake news is spread. No wonder you try to defend it.

That isn't and wasn't the argument imbecile. YOU made it the argument. I simply provided you the science.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You’re the one who is off point. Once again, when you (or one of your fellow Loonies) loses an argument, you try to change what the argument was about. The point was indeed whether or not the vaccine DID create variants. “Can” does not equal “IS”. Big difference and how fake news is spread. No wonder you try to defend it.

Son, as I and Steeltime and SIL and Mad and medical professionals have tried to inform you...viruses become vaccine resistant and evolve . It's "scientifically" proven and settled science.

It's simple: An effective vaccine A) Prevents Spread, B) Prevents illness. Polio vax for instance.

Weak Vaccines fail in one of both of these areas. Any vaccine that does not prevent spread allows the virus to exist and evolve/mutate. Then you get new strains. These new strains are not CREATED from the vaccine injection LMAO. But the environment the weak vaccines cause leads to virus evolution/mutation.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Where the **** did I say that? I showed you it could cause them and most likely will. I can't find anywhere that I said they have done this. Why do you hate science?

Floggy is a stupid **** who argues to argue. When he loses argument A, he morphs the argument to something else, and once he's run out of options, accuses you of saying **** you didn't. He's done this to me a dozen times...."You said X!" A dozen times I've asked him to point to where I said X. Nothing. Not once. Ever.

Guy's a crack, ignore it.

 

[IndySteel]

Why do you hate science?

And black people.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yep, it’s the unvaccinated, 94% of new cases…

New Pennsylvania data: Almost all COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths among those not fully vaccinated

The data show 97% of deaths so far from COVID-19 in Pennsylvania in 2021 occurred in those who were not fully vaccinated, as well as 95% of hospitalizations and 94% of cases.

www.post-gazette.com

Again, you suck at this game. Imagine me, one day....

Posting an article from Rochelle Walensky stating that the vaccines prevent spread of Covid, then 2 hours later
Posting an article from Rochelle Walensky stating that the vaccines do not prevent the spread of Covid.

That's you. Quite literally, you.

A week ago you posted a Pittsburgh Post Gazette article showing that 40% of those hospitalized in Allegheny County alone were vaccinated. Now you post an article saying 97% of cases and hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated. Which day, minute, or article from PPG do you believe? I'm curious?

This data conflicts with the entire state of Massachusetts, the nation of Israel, England, and nearly every other state/nation with open reporting around the globe at this moment in September of 2021.

Yeah. Son, you're desperate at this point and want to believe you've been injected with a magic elixir.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Again, you read headlines and post. "The state is still in the process of collecting hospitalization data, Ms. Beam said, and the figures reported Tuesday encompass about 55% of hospitals and 80% of acute hospital beds."

Nearly half of Hospitals were sampled, if you have ever taken Statistics you would know how badly you can skew numbers from that small of a sampling. But, you dont care about facts, just misleading headlines that spread fear.

Yes and a week ago the tool posted an article from the same exact source - PPG - showing hospitals in Allegheny County were 40% full of vaccinated people.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[IndySteel]

The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ***, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.

 

[Superman]

“Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people”

paraphrasing Scott Adams, whose twitter feed is remarkably pro-right.

 

[Troglodyte]

Again, you read headlines and post. "The state is still in the process of collecting hospitalization data, Ms. Beam said, and the figures reported Tuesday encompass about 55% of hospitals and 80% of acute hospital beds."

Nearly half of Hospitals were sampled, if you have ever taken Statistics you would know how badly you can skew numbers from that small of a sampling. But, you dont care about facts, just misleading headlines that spread fear.

“Nearly half” WTF? 55% (THE MAJORITY)

Please do provide your source stating that 55% (of thousands mind you) is not a representative sample and not statistically significant.

 

[Troglodyte]

Again, you suck at this game. Imagine me, one day....

Posting an article from Rochelle Walensky stating that the vaccines prevent spread of Covid, then 2 hours later
Posting an article from Rochelle Walensky stating that the vaccines do not prevent the spread of Covid.

That's you. Quite literally, you.

A week ago you posted a Pittsburgh Post Gazette article showing that 40% of those hospitalized in Allegheny County alone were vaccinated. Now you post an article saying 97% of cases and hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated. Which day, minute, or article from PPG do you believe? I'm curious?

This data conflicts with the entire state of Massachusetts, the nation of Israel, England, and nearly every other state/nation with open reporting around the globe at this moment in September of 2021.

Yeah. Son, you're desperate at this point and want to believe you've been injected with a magic elixir.

So what? Allegheny County is a small fraction of Pennsylvania but it has several high level ICUs that take in transports from rural areas that aren’t equipped or staffed to care for them.