Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

So if I say that you have a 99.99% survival rate from the flu, I'm being inhumane?
If I say that you have a 99.99782% survival rate from a cold, I'm being inhumane?



Likewise, what is inhumane, is to continue to push to the masses that Covid is deadlier than it is purported to be, leading to measures and policies that destroy human life.

Completely lost on you is that many of the so-called “measures and policies that destroy human life” have been lifted because an unselfish majority decided to get vaccinated.

**** whatever perceived inconvenience you are still dealing with.

 

[Troglodyte]

Do you throw words into a hat and pull them out at random to make up your strawman arguments? If so, not bad.

If you actually craft these make-believe arguments intentionally, then you need to re-take 2nd grade.

Let me explain like I would to a 2nd grader. TSF points out that natural immunity provides GREATER protection from the Chinese flu than the vaccines. TSF has had the Chinese flu and has natural immunity. Therefore, TSF does not need the vaccine. Also, the vaccine which TSF does not need has a long list of problems, a lot of which COULD be merely anecdotal (meaning not scientific but instead simply descriptions of events known personally to the person providing the information), but that does not matter since he has more protection from the Chinese flu than the vaccine could provide - just like 120 million Americans - so why in God's name run the risk of any such side-effects??

If that is too difficult for you, have a 2nd grader explain it.

“PEOPLE”, not “TIM”.

Tim is championing that PEOPLE not get vaccinated because there is a remote possibility (not what USUALLY happens) that there could be unknown side effects.

 

[Superman]

Keep laughing your *** off, as families bury their dead. Despicable and shameful, right on par with you & your ilk.

you mean, like the Left does (see Twitter) to people who refused to take the stabby stab and die from the Chinese lab-created virus that has spawned your religion? you mean like that?

 

[Steeltime]

“PEOPLE”, not “TIM”.

Tim is championing that PEOPLE not get vaccinated because there is a remote possibility (not what USUALLY happens) that there could be unknown side effects.

You are an imbecile. We all know that. Your poor mother knows that.

Worse, you are an arrogant liar. TSF has never - repeat, you idiot, TSF HAS NEVER - told anyone, at any time, in any fashion, to not get vaccinated.

I just called you a liar for claiming TSF supposedly said something he never said. Your turn. Find a post by Tim where he said that anybody should NOT get vaccinated. One. Just one, and I will recant my calling you a liar and apologize.

If you can't do so, then admit you are a liar.

 

[Superman]

Completely lost on you is that many of the so-called “measures and policies that destroy human life” have been lifted because an unselfish majority decided to get vaccinated.

**** whatever perceived inconvenience you are still dealing with.

and again, why do you insist black people trust the government now when they've shown they historically do not (and for good reason)?
how will you insist that the people who do not trust the government suddenly do so?
do you react in the way someone wants you to when they belittle you?
do you react in the way someone wants you to when they come across as arrogant and condescending?

no one - not anyone - has said the Chinese lab-created virus is NOT something to be aware of. No one has said that anyone should 100% NOT get the stabby stab jabby jab.

all that has been said, repeatedly, is that the vaccine is available for you. but, do continue to be cautious as it is NOT a holy vaccine. in fact, it's not really a vaccine at all. it's a preventive measure. like wearing a rubber when you have sex.

or, in your case, wearing a rubber when you jerk off.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Confluence]

Took nine excruciating months but they finally axed the treacherous, anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists from Youtube. Should be the same on all social media. The crazies out there who have dummies like Badcat & the SN MAGA's eating out of their hands shouldn't have a voice or a platform to spin their lies. Not everyone's smart or wise enough to see through their deceit. A lot of people end up dead. It is point blank shouting fire in a crowded theater. The one & only exception to free speech laws. Better late than never.

Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, advocating censorship.
This time on medical issues
Next time? religion? personal liberty? personal finances? political views?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

As some one that chose, based on my personal needs, to get fully vaxed, it's becoming increasingly apparent on a daily basis that this virus is no longer a public health crisis, but a political one. Honestly, why else would this thread reach 229 pages?

The political left, the complicit media, and those on this board that will never, ever, admit that they just might be wrong about the current mandate of getting the vaccination, or else.

Why do people that have recovered from #19, resulting in immunity, have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why do people that are allergic to components of the vaccine have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why do people with underling medical conditions, have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why are members of Congress and their staff exempt from the mandate?
Why are employees of the USPS also exempt?
Why are members of our military, the most healthy and fit humans on the planet, required to get the vaccine or face a dishonorable discharge?

These are just a few questions that will go unanswered, and until they do, I, with a health science background, will remain skeptical.

 

[Steeltime]

Why do people that have recovered from #19, resulting in immunity, have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why do people that are allergic to components of the vaccine have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why do people with underling medical conditions, have to get vaccinated anyway?
Why are members of Congress and their staff exempt from the mandate?
Why are employees of the USPS also exempt?
Why are members of our military, the most healthy and fit humans on the planet, required to get the vaccine or face a dishonorable discharge?

These are just a few questions that will go unanswered, and until they do, I, with a health science background, will remain skeptical.

Liberals respond ...

 

[Badcat]

So natural Covid immunity is more effective because natural immunity is USUALLY move effective, but people should resist the vaccines based on what USUALLY DOES NOT happen?

No, it IS more effective. Big Pharma is saying their vaccines last 6 months on average while studies show natural anti-bodies are still present after 18 months.

What really pisses me off about you shitheads is...None of us are Anti-vaccine. If you're in a high risk age group or have medical conditions then you should have the freedoms to weight the options and decide for yourself. If you pay attention, those who have gotten the shot aren't being called a dumbass or ignorant except you and that vile piece of **** Tibs, because you are weak little lemmings who can't think for yourselves. We respect their right to choose for themselves and their families. I'm vaccinated out the wazzoo but having had covid I don't need the shot. So why should I go and get it? I lift 6 days a week, I beat up on high school kids as a wrestling coach all week, and have no health issues.

And before you go on typing about abortion I'll stop you here...A woman's right to choose starts at opening her legs (outside of rape). The baby is the result of her decision just like Mitochondria is a result of choosing the shot. A human life isn't an "inconvenience" or an "accident".

 

[Troglodyte]

and again, why do you insist black people trust the government now when they've shown they historically do not (and for good reason)?
how will you insist that the people who do not trust the government suddenly do so?
do you react in the way someone wants you to when they belittle you?
do you react in the way someone wants you to when they come across as arrogant and condescending?

no one - not anyone - has said the Chinese lab-created virus is NOT something to be aware of. No one has said that anyone should 100% NOT get the stabby stab jabby jab.

all that has been said, repeatedly, is that the vaccine is available for you. but, do continue to be cautious as it is NOT a holy vaccine. in fact, it's not really a vaccine at all. it's a preventive measure. like wearing a rubber when you have sex.

or, in your case, wearing a rubber when you jerk off.

Please direct me to where any government official’s comments urging people to get vaccinated or any vaccine mandate specifically applies to only black people.

 

[Steelr4evr]

you mean, like the Left does (see Twitter) to people who refused to take the stabby stab and die from the Chinese lab-created virus that has spawned your religion? you mean like that?

Certainly a religion now. It's absolutely batshit bonkers.



.... 2 weeks to flatten the curve.

 

[madinsomniac]

So natural Covid immunity is more effective because natural immunity is USUALLY move effective, but people should resist the vaccines based on what USUALLY DOES NOT happen?

So since death or hospitalization don’t usually happen with covid… is your stance we shouldn’t worry about it?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Please direct me to where any government official’s comments urging people to get vaccinated or any vaccine mandate specifically applies to only black people.

You're proving my point, thanks.

 

[Superman]

Please direct me to where any government official’s comments urging people to get vaccinated or any vaccine mandate specifically applies to only black people.

I direct you to the CDC where you can find the statistics showing that black people by and large populate the vast majority of the population that has not been vaccinated.

 

[Steeltime]

Floggy?

FLOGGY?!?

 

[Superman]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

LOL! OK, so first of all, the math isn’t even correct. It’s 47,465.

The number is off by 1,000, ooohhhh dismiss all findings!

53 million Medicare patients have been vaccinated. So 1 out of every 1,100 has died, 40% of which were over 80 years old. Old people die.

You realize that in VAERS, 1% of adverse events are reported.
You realize that CMS is also not a fully reported system.
You realize that when you add up all of the different systems through which events are reported, it's a pretty big picture.
You realize that adverse reactions aren't all about deaths, but hospitalization, and/or severe impacts to life.

We realize you care about small percentages of people dying/being harmed...until you don't...because politics.

This is a subset, below.



This is also a subset of adverse events:


At some point in time, you and yours who've dug your heels into this argument will have to walk it back.

Adverse events reported .... through history...are just that. Suspicious events.

The numbers of suspicious events reported to CMS, VAERS, et al DWARFS all other vaccines combined. Period. Not only are the vaccines really showing to be pretty ineffective, they are also far far more dangerous than their vaccine peers. This isn't arguable. One doesn't have to prove causality. Simply look at the suspicious reports for diptheria, rubella, mumps, measles vaccines v the suspicious reports for covid vaxes.

Old people die.

Except you lose your god damned mind when they die of Covid. Loss of life due to vaccines, or just adverse events from them? "Who the **** cares" am I right?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So natural Covid immunity is more effective because natural immunity is USUALLY move effective, but people should resist the vaccines based on what USUALLY DOES NOT happen?

Yeah, I'm not even responding to that idiot word salad.

ST took care of it. https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/covid-vaccine.36523/post-855094

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Completely lost on you is that many of the so-called “measures and policies that destroy human life” have been lifted because an unselfish majority decided to get vaccinated.

**** whatever perceived inconvenience you are still dealing with.

Completely lost on you is the damage done and that the policies have shifted.

The damage done won't be fixed at all in many cases - loss of human life, loss of life expectancy, loss of businesses, loss of family wealth, lack of healthcare...We aren't walking that back and that isn't over. The repercussions of those decisions will exist for decades for some.

Now, the draconian policies have shifted from lockdown mandates leading to loss of livelihood for many.

Don't give us this bullshit "it's a choice" argument too. The Government is driving a system where if you don't agree to inject something into your body, you lose your livelihood. Fact.

If a Conservative had suggested doing this 5 years ago, you'd have lost what's left of your feeble mind. Now? You're A-OK with the communist, gestapo tactics ruining people's lives.

Forcing people out of a job isn't an inconvenience. Funny how insensitive you are to lives in some ways, but seem to care greatly about others. Hypocrite.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I love how your argument is “the first amendment most certainly protects lies” instead of “they aren’t lying”.

You made one of your epic statements of fact that...are just your opinions. You have this habit of making these statements that are patently false. We are your fact checkers. We have to be because of the amount of incessant misinformation you and Tiblio spew.

Floggy: "The 1st Amendment does not give a person the right to lie"

That is easily as off base as saying cyanide isn't poisonous.

You can lie your ******* *** off all day every day and the 1st protects you.

You should be thanking Steeltime for the *** beating education you got. He should have charged you. Instead, you try to "yeah but!!" spin it. Do you realize how pathetic that looks?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

“PEOPLE”, not “TIM”.

Tim is championing that PEOPLE not get vaccinated because there is a remote possibility (not what USUALLY happens) that there could be unknown side effects.

Wrong.

This is what you want people to believe.

Tim is championing CHOICE - that people should have the right to make the vax decision weighing their own variables.

I encouraged my parents to get the vax. I told my sister to get it (she's my age, but with health issues). I've advised my nieces and younger generations not to.

Dipshit.

 

[Superman]

Completely lost on you is the damage done and that the policies have shifted.

The damage done won't be fixed at all in many cases - loss of human life, loss of life expectancy, loss of businesses, loss of family wealth, lack of healthcare...We aren't walking that back and that isn't over. The repercussions of those decisions will exist for decades for some.

Now, the draconian policies have shifted from lockdowns mandates leading to loss of livelihood for many.

Don't give us this bullshit "it's a choice" argument too. The Government is driving a system where if you don't agree to inject something into your body, you lose your livelihood. Fact.

If a Conservative had suggested doing this 5 years ago, you'd have lost what's left of your feeble mind. Now? You're A-OK with the communist, gestapo tactics ruining people's lives.

Forcing people out of a job isn't an inconvenience. Funny how insensitive you are to lives in some ways, but seem to care greatly about others. Hypocrite.

I wonder how loudly the screeching from CumAllah Heels Up Harris would have been had Donald J ******* Trump decreed that injection of the vaccine developed under Opertation Warp Speed was to be made by every man, woman and child (and the other 59 genders) less they be ostracized from society and cast out to fend for themselves?

 

[Superman]

You made one of your epic statements of fact that...well are never facts, just your opinion. You have this habit of making these statements that are patently false. We are your fact checkers. We have to be because of the amount of incessant misinformation you and Tiblio spew.

Floggy: "The 1st Amendment does not give a person the right to lie"

That is easily as off base as saying cyanide isn't poisonous.

You can lie your ******* *** off all day every day and the 1st protects you.

You should be thanking Steeltime for the *** beating education you got. He should have charged you. Instead, you try to "yeah but!!" spin it. Do you realize how pathetic that looks?

oh, i see. Floggy believes all politicians should be locked up for violating the 1st Amendment by lying.

 

[Badcat]

Wrong.

This is what you want people to believe.

Tim is championing CHOICE - that people should have the right to make the vax decision weighing their own variables.

I encouraged my parents to get the vax. I told my sister to get it (my age, health issues). I've advised my nieces and younger generations not to.

Dipshit.

But you're arguing with him so you're anti-vaccine. I would really like to meet this guy and have this conversation over a beer or two. He can't really be this dense. If he is, it would be entertaining as hell in person.