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Covid Vaccine

Tibs said:
You are truly sick in the head. Shameful.
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Quite the opposite. A person who supports Hitler and AntiFA calling someone sick? LMAO son.

It is literally NO surprise you're for the draconian world we live in now. You'd have donned numerous, nefarious uniforms in the past, as readily as you wear your virtual uniform today.
 
Superman said:
and you should do the same under your real name - specifically identifying people for being anti-vax and calling them the same insults you do here.

*****
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Op-eds don’t publish insults. There are numerous medical doctors and health officials that have published op-eds supporting vaccine mandates. Tim’s only company in his analogy is batshit crazy MTG.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
What age groups are filling their hospitals?
Who's dying?

I'll wait.

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Rates of COVID-19 are highest among Vermonters 20-29 years old with a rate of 761.5 per 10K <---VT Dept of Health
Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases <---VT Dept of Health
25 of 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were vaccinated <---VT Dept of Health
The head of UMass Memorial Health said that regional hospitals were seeing nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

"All of these data points are due to the kids!!" /Floggy

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Link?
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
More on Liberal policies destroying our healthcare system. So sad. Innocent people needing healthcare are the real victims.

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Northwell Health, New York State’s largest health provider, announced on Tuesday that 1,400 employees — less than 2 percent of its staff — refused to get vaccinated and were subsequently fired.

New York’s health care mandate is particularly strict: Employees do not have the option for weekly testing or exemptions for religious reasons, though the latter is being challenged in the courts.

Northwell, which employs more than 76,000 people said in a statement that vaccinating all of its employees would allow the provider to “provide exceptional care at all of our hospitals, without interruption and enable all our facilities to remain open and fully operational.”
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<2% is destroying the healthcare system? Drama.
 
Troglodyte said:
Link?
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LMAO. Defeat.

I've told you repeated...VT Dept of Health. I do work for you, you ignore, don't read, and/or deny. Research yourself and invalidate the claims.
 
Troglodyte said:
<2% is destroying the healthcare system? Drama.
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Operating by your standards and Tiblios.

24 out of 325 hospitals over capacity is a ******* nightmare, remember?

This issue though? Much more tangible. Healthcare is already strained across the country. Losing 2% of our healthforce will have a real impact. Innocents will suffer.

But it is more than that. In NY State alone, up to 16%. So bad, the Gov signed an executive order declaring a state wide emergency...one she created.

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Troglodyte said:
Depends on your definition of “required”. Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. As far a mandates for privileges such as jobs and advanced education? Yes. It’s no different than any other vaccine requirement.
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" Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. "

Why do I suspect that you would have no problem if it was?

Others have responded more eloquently than I could hope to attempt, but it comes down to the simple basics of this current "vaccine".
1. It doesn't protect from infection, only lessening symptoms.
2. It doesn't keep the vaccinated from spreading the virus.

And what troubles me the most is that these mandates are being purposed by hypocrites. Natural immunity ignored, allergic to a vaccine component, too bad, concerned about
vaccine side effects or refusing for religious reasons, tough luck, all falling on deaf ears.

More will suffer from this "cure" than the virus itself.

It would be interesting to see your list of what is a privilege and what is a right.
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
LMAO
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Always knew you were a sick ****, never realized the depth of your depravity. Explains your political & world views perfectly.

Beyond embarrassing to have to share Steelers fandom with such lowlives.

Do you have any Jewish friends, neighbors, co-workers? Show them your meme and ask them what they think of it.

Pathetic & shameful, Tim, really is.

Now back to your regularly scheduled progamming of leading your fellow MAGA's around by their noses.
 
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Troglodyte said:
Op-eds don’t publish insults. There are numerous medical doctors and health officials that have published op-eds supporting vaccine mandates. Tim’s only company in his analogy is batshit crazy MTG.
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how do you know he hasn't done just that?
 
Troglodyte said:
<2% is destroying the healthcare system? Drama.
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And what percentage is 700,000 dead against population of 330,000,000 in the US?
And what percentage is 4,500,000 dead against population of 7,750,000,000 in the world?

Drama, too?
 

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 9/24/2021​

OCT 1, 2021
Download as PDF

All charts and tables below reflect the data release on 10/1/2021 from the VAERS website, which includes U.S. and foreign data, and is updated through: 9/24/2021​

High-Level SummaryCOVID19 vaccines (Dec’2020 – present)All other vaccines 1990-presentUS Data Only
COVID19 vaccines (Dec’2020 – present)		US Data Only
All other vaccines 1990-present
Number of Adverse Reactions752,803823,547581,851722,534
Number of Life-Threatening Events16,87413,6288,8169,723
Number of Hospitalizations71,03678,55233,70338,186
Number of Deaths15,937*9,1417,2155,120
# of Permanent Disabilities after vaccination22,34219,6228,35912,456
Number of Office Visits117,83743,428109,20242,106
# of Emergency Room/Department Visits85,321209,84773,068200,874
# of Birth Defects after vaccination50414132390
*Note that the total number of deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is greater than the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990.
 
Huh? Whats This? From a doctor at Johns Hopkins?

Johns Hopkins Doctor Criticizes Vaccine Mandates, Stresses Natural Immunity​


Johns Hopkins’ Dr. Marty Makary is speaking out about blanket vaccine mandates that are “ruining lives” and bizarrely discount natural immunity, which he said studies have shown to be 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity.

Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and editor in chief of MedPage Today, told “Morning Wire” on Thursday that public health leaders’ hypothesis on natural and vaccinated immunity has proven to be “backwards.”

“The data on natural immunity are now overwhelming,” stressed Makary. “It turns out the hypothesis that our public health leaders had that vaccinated immunity is better and stronger than natural immunity was wrong. They got it backwards. And now we’ve got data from Israel showing that natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity. And that supports 15 other studies.”

In August, Makary wrote an op-ed at U.S. News, titled “Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans,” in which the professor argued that a more science-based approach to vaccination must be deployed.

Since Makary’s op-ed was published, vaccine mandates have become increasingly commonplace, particularly in deep blue states like New York and California, and federally from President Joe Biden.


The mandate requiring all health care workers in New York to be vaccinated, even if they have natural immunity, has upended the heath care system — some places have had to close down their services entirely, stop providing maternity care, and cap nursing home residents due to employee shortages. In California, parents are raging against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom’s vaccine requirement for school children.

“It’s ruining the lives of people who are getting fired,” Makary told “Morning Wire.”

“Nurses, who are heroes are now getting laid off. Soldiers are getting dishonorably discharged,” said Makary, an apparent reference to an Army announcement last month that soldiers may face possible discharge if not vaccinated within three months. “They’ve got immunity. It’s just not the type that our public health officials have sanctioned,” said Makary.

“This is a failure of government, not a failure of science,” he emphasized.

“But how about some flexibility? How about recognizing natural immunity and allowing those who have circulating antibodies to get credit. That’s how they do it in parts of Europe, and that’s how they do it in Israel,” Makary offered.

The doctor further told “Morning Wire” that the recent decline in COVID cases and hospitalizations is due to immunization from previously having COVID or from the vaccine.

“That decline is really natural immunity kicking in,” he said. “What we’re seeing is that when a very few people in a population are susceptible, that is almost everybody has either had COVID or the vaccine. You do see this rapid decline. It’s basically a part of herd immunity kicking in.”

And those COVID “surges,” — Makary thinks we’re done with those, too.

“I think we’re done with the surges. What we may see is bumping cases, seasonally, depending on pockets of the country where there’s low immunity rates,” the doctor explained. “And remember: breakthrough infections are real. They will happen, but they have downgraded COVID from a major public health threat to a mild, common, cold like illness.”

During the “Morning Wire” segment, Makary also stressed that complications from the COVID vaccines are “exceedingly rare.”

“When I talked to doctors nationwide, it’s pretty clear that the vaccine related complications are exceedingly rare and the vaccines we have are safer than any other vaccine we’ve ever had in the past,” he said. “And I think if you if you’re on the fence about getting vaccinated, you want to do it right now, like today, because we are getting to a point where it’s so contagious, it’s ripping through the population pretty quickly.”
 
ZonaBurgh said:
" Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. "

Why do I suspect that you would have no problem if it was?

Others have responded more eloquently than I could hope to attempt, but it comes down to the simple basics of this current "vaccine".
1. It doesn't protect from infection, only lessening symptoms.
2. It doesn't keep the vaccinated from spreading the virus.

And what troubles me the most is that these mandates are being purposed by hypocrites. Natural immunity ignored, allergic to a vaccine component, too bad, concerned about
vaccine side effects or refusing for religious reasons, though luck, all falling on deaf ears.

More will suffer from this "cure" than the virus itself.

It would be interesting to see your list of what is a privilege and what is a right.
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The vaccine does prevent the spread for at least three months.

www.nature.com

COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long

People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta.
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fedderone said:
And what percentage is 700,000 dead against population of 330,000,000 in the US?
And what percentage is 4,500,000 dead against population of 7,750,000,000 in the world?

Drama, too?
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The people that died from Covid didn’t CHOOSE to die. The healthcare workers CHOSE to refuse vaccination. I’m sure eventually some of them will also die from Covid.
 
Troglodyte said:
Busted! Misinformation, or Timinformation. It clearly states rates are highest among 0-9 year-olds.

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interesting.

Tim did say a few weeks back that the NewWooFloo variant would hit the NE section of the country. A theory you absolutely disputed. Now that it has hit that area, either Vermont moved or you're wrong. So, since Vermont didnt move, you double down on your wrong and say that its impacting children more than any other age group. Where you're either willfully blind in not seeing that this is the age group the Federal Goobermint has been trying to get the shot.

curiouser and curiosuer...
 
Badcat said:
Huh? Whats This? From a doctor at Johns Hopkins?

Johns Hopkins Doctor Criticizes Vaccine Mandates, Stresses Natural Immunity​


Johns Hopkins’ Dr. Marty Makary is speaking out about blanket vaccine mandates that are “ruining lives” and bizarrely discount natural immunity, which he said studies have shown to be 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity.

Makary, a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and editor in chief of MedPage Today, told “Morning Wire” on Thursday that public health leaders’ hypothesis on natural and vaccinated immunity has proven to be “backwards.”

“The data on natural immunity are now overwhelming,” stressed Makary. “It turns out the hypothesis that our public health leaders had that vaccinated immunity is better and stronger than natural immunity was wrong. They got it backwards. And now we’ve got data from Israel showing that natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity. And that supports 15 other studies.”

In August, Makary wrote an op-ed at U.S. News, titled “Why COVID-19 Vaccines Should Not Be Required for All Americans,” in which the professor argued that a more science-based approach to vaccination must be deployed.

Since Makary’s op-ed was published, vaccine mandates have become increasingly commonplace, particularly in deep blue states like New York and California, and federally from President Joe Biden.


The mandate requiring all health care workers in New York to be vaccinated, even if they have natural immunity, has upended the heath care system — some places have had to close down their services entirely, stop providing maternity care, and cap nursing home residents due to employee shortages. In California, parents are raging against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom’s vaccine requirement for school children.

“It’s ruining the lives of people who are getting fired,” Makary told “Morning Wire.”

“Nurses, who are heroes are now getting laid off. Soldiers are getting dishonorably discharged,” said Makary, an apparent reference to an Army announcement last month that soldiers may face possible discharge if not vaccinated within three months. “They’ve got immunity. It’s just not the type that our public health officials have sanctioned,” said Makary.

“This is a failure of government, not a failure of science,” he emphasized.

“But how about some flexibility? How about recognizing natural immunity and allowing those who have circulating antibodies to get credit. That’s how they do it in parts of Europe, and that’s how they do it in Israel,” Makary offered.

The doctor further told “Morning Wire” that the recent decline in COVID cases and hospitalizations is due to immunization from previously having COVID or from the vaccine.

“That decline is really natural immunity kicking in,” he said. “What we’re seeing is that when a very few people in a population are susceptible, that is almost everybody has either had COVID or the vaccine. You do see this rapid decline. It’s basically a part of herd immunity kicking in.”

And those COVID “surges,” — Makary thinks we’re done with those, too.

“I think we’re done with the surges. What we may see is bumping cases, seasonally, depending on pockets of the country where there’s low immunity rates,” the doctor explained. “And remember: breakthrough infections are real. They will happen, but they have downgraded COVID from a major public health threat to a mild, common, cold like illness.”

During the “Morning Wire” segment, Makary also stressed that complications from the COVID vaccines are “exceedingly rare.”

“When I talked to doctors nationwide, it’s pretty clear that the vaccine related complications are exceedingly rare and the vaccines we have are safer than any other vaccine we’ve ever had in the past,” he said. “And I think if you if you’re on the fence about getting vaccinated, you want to do it right now, like today, because we are getting to a point where it’s so contagious, it’s ripping through the population pretty quickly.”
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Same guy that was claiming the US was close to herd immunity eight months ago.

www.wsj.com

Opinion | We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
Superman said:
interesting.

Tim did say a few weeks back that the NewWooFloo variant would hit the NE section of the country. A theory you absolutely disputed. Now that it has hit that area, either Vermont moved or you're wrong. So, since Vermont didnt move, you double down on your wrong and say that its impacting children more than any other age group. Where you're either willfully blind in not seeing that this is the age group the Federal Goobermint has been trying to get the shot.

curiouser and curiosuer...
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See cases by region graph…

 
Troglodyte said:
Same guy that was claiming the US was close to herd immunity eight months ago.

www.wsj.com

Opinion | We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April

Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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I see, you only trust medical professionals when their message fits your twisted narrative. He's quoting data from Israel who have been doing a much better job at tracking the natural immunity efficacy than the US govt who chooses to ignore it completely, and so do you. Go figure
 
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