Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

You referenced the WA state data. Where does it state anything about the vaccines efficacy percentage?

You posted the ******* data. Go do your own research.

I haven't posted efficacy data. You simply can't read. WA state's data shows the claim that the vaccines are 95% effective is horse ****. Not that we needed that data you so willfully provided us all to demonstrate that. The CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna have said so and the recent studies show Pfizer only has a 76?% efficacy rate on death and like 52% on spread?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Did you mean “not preventing”? Or Sarcasm? Or have you waffled and acknowledge the vaccines work? Regardless, that’s a graph, not math. Here’s some math:

NZ 7 Day Avg Cases/100k: 4
NZ 7 Day Avg Deaths/100k: 0, ZERO

WV 7 Day Avg Cases/100k: 39
WV 7 Day Avg Deaths/100k: .72

Are the vaccines and lockdowns preventing the spread of Covid in NZ?

 

[Superman]

Wait, what? All of the unvaccinated are immuno-compromised (“also in the group”) and therefore cannot get vaccinated? False. Most unvaccinated are by choice and there are many immuno-compromised that are vaccinated, (old people, cancer survivors, etc.)

Idiotic talking-out-your-*** nonsense.

eye c simpul englessh iz ur prefurrd furm a talk

the immuno-compromised are IN THE GROUP that are not "vaccinated" you blithering ******* idiot

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

In 2020 the virus was not fully spread for several months. Our main peak was in October. Some other nearby facilities were hit a month or 2 earlier, but your still looking at over half the year gone. To compare 2020 to 2021 you would have to look at just the months covid was in full swing.

Patently wrong.

• Covid took off in March of 2020. We had ten full months of Covid.
• In 2021, we are just entering the 11th month. We have had ten full months of Covid.

In short, we have 10 months of Covid in both years.

By end of March 2020, we were over 211K cases
By end of April 2020, we were over 1.1M cases
By end of August 2020, we were over 6.36M cases

Here is our USA data as of today:
2020 Cases: 20,649,014
2021 Cases: 27,267,176

2020 deaths: 368,017
2021 deaths: 415,548

We passed 2020's death total in 9 months and 1 week this year.

Look at by days if you want.
2020: We had Covid from March 1 to Dec 31 2020 - 305 days = 1,207 deaths/day
2021: We have had Covid all year to today - 318 days = 1,307 deaths/day

Finally, you don't and can't compare periods in full swing. Dumb. Because we have never been "blanketed" with Covid. It's hit geographically and calendar-wise at different times in different areas.

When Delta hit, it wasn't in "full swing." It was in LA and MS and MO and AR hard. But not in ND, SD, ID, WA, OR, or dozens of other states, many till later. When Covid hit last year in Seattle and WA it wasn't in full swing. When Covid blew up in NY and NJ, it wasn't blowing up elsewhere. It took a lot of states weeks and in some cases a month or two to get their first wave.

Covid has not "blanketed" the USA at any one point in time. It's been rolling hot spots and epicenters since the beginning.

 

[Troglodyte]

You posted the ******* data. Go do your own research.

I haven't posted efficacy data. You simply can't read. WA state's data shows the claim that the vaccines are 95% effective is horse ****. Not that we needed that data you so willfully provided us all to demonstrate that. The CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna have said so and the recent studies show Pfizer only has a 76?% efficacy rate on death and like 52% on spread?

Nowhere does the WA state data make age adjusted comparisons between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

[Troglodyte]

Are the vaccines and lockdowns preventing the spread of Covid in NZ?

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174 cases out of 4.9 Million people, I’d say “hell yes” they’re preventing cases. How’s unvaccinated West Virginia doing?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nowhere does the WA state data make age adjusted comparisons between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Jesus you are one daft, stupid sumbitch. I said before you can't read and you go one up yourself.

I have said that the WA DATA SHOWS....not that the WA DATA states.

The data from the state of WA disproves the notion that the vaccines are 95% effective. Let me repeat, it's not like we need that data - the CEOs and endless studies and the CDC have shown the vaccines have waned severely. The WA state DATA just supports further that these vaccines are no where near 95% efficacious.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Troglodyte]

eye c simpul englessh iz ur prefurrd furm a talk

the immuno-comprormised are IN THE GROUP that are not "vaccinated" you blithering ******* idiot

No. You wrote “the unvaccinated are also in the group of of the immuno-compromised”.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

174 cases out of 4.9 Million people, I’d say “hell yes” they’re preventing cases. How’s unvaccinated West Virginia doing?

HIGHEST CASE LOADS EVER while enduring stringent lockdowns and after being highly vaccinated and you say "hell yes" the vaccines and lockdowns are preventing cases.

Ummm...why'd they do so much better last year???

 

[Troglodyte]

Jesus you are one daft, stupid sumbitch. I said before you can't read and you go one up yourself.

I have said that the WA DATA SHOWS....not that the WA DATA states.

The data from the state of WA disproves the notion that the vaccines are 95% effective. Let me repeat, it's not like we need that data - the CEOs and endless studies and the CDC have shown the vaccines have waned severely. The WA state DATA just supports further that these vaccines are no where near 95% efficacious.

No, that’s what you THINK it shows. It doesn’t provide enough data to show what you claim (which is why I asked you to do the math (that I know you can’t do).

 

[Superman]

No. You wrote “the unvaccinated are also in the group of of the immuno-compromised”.

kleerlee u is jus a stopit az u tellz us u is be

I wrote:

the "many tens of millions aren still not vaccinated" (nice butchering of the English language - I'm sure the Queen would be proud of how you bastardized it) are also in the group who have immuno-compromised systems and are for that exact reason unable to get vaxxed the shot.

and then had to break it down to the most basic stupid level for you to attempt to understand, even put my bandwidth into dial-up for you, and it comes as a shock to quite literally no one who has ever lived, is living now, nor the historians whom Tibs says will view this board that you're too goddamned stupid to grasp that.

do you have reminders to blink and breathe? seems someone as stupid as you needs help in such basic concepts of language that it would surprise no one that you have to make conscious efforts to blink and breathe.

how the **** do you even get on the internet?

 

[Troglodyte]

HIGHEST CASE LOADS EVER while enduring stringent lockdowns and after being highly vaccinated and you say "hell yes" the vaccines and lockdowns are preventing cases.

Ummm...why'd they do so much better last year???

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New Zealand has 34 Covid deaths all time. West Virginia has 4,600 at a fraction of the population. New Zealand has done really well both years.

 

[Troglodyte]

kleerlee u is jus a stopit az u tellz us u is be

I wrote:


and then had to break it down to the most basic stupid level for you to attempt to understand, even put my bandwidth into dial-up for you, and it comes as a shock to quite literally no one who has ever lived, is living now, nor the historians whom Tibs says will view this board that you're too goddamned stupid to grasp that.

do you have reminders to blink and breathe? seems someone as stupid as you needs help in such basic concepts of language that it would surprise no one that you have to make conscious efforts to blink and breathe.

how the **** do you even get on the internet?

Right “also in” idiotic of you to say that. I take it you are now trying to say that you meant “SOME OF WHICH are also in”?

 

[Steelworth]

In 2020 the virus was not fully spread for several months. Our main peak was in October. Some other nearby facilities were hit a month or 2 earlier, but your still looking at over half the year gone. To compare 2020 to 2021 you would have to look at just the months covid was in full swing.

How do you know that for sure? In early February 2020, I got sick for a couple days where I had a nasty fever I don't think I'd had since I was a kid.

I'm in California. In early 2020, the 'hotspots' were reported to be mainly on the East Coast IIRC (I could be wrong there). And this: As reported in Clinical Infectious Diseases on November 30, 2020, 7,389 blood samples collected between December 13, 2019, and January 17, 2020, by the American Red Cross from normal donors in nine states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin) included 84 (1.1 percent) that were positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. According to the article, "These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020."

The Wuhan flight to the U.S. was in January 2020 IIRC. Do you understand how quickly a contagious virus can spread?

How Fast Can a Virus Spread? Faster Than You Think

Researchers track how germs travel and find common contamination hot spots.

www.everydayhealth.com

And you mention our main peak was in October. You know that's the typical beginning of cold/flu season, right? You ever notice how quickly people get sick during the months of October and November - and then peaks around December - January? Worst case, that's a 4 month timeframe. So while yeah, there is some time there for the virus to still spread, we also had absolutely no therapeutics or anything else to combat it whatsoever. We sure as hell had them available (along with a 'vaccine') in 2021 though. Why weren't the therapeutics administered countrywide and we ultimately suffered more deaths in 2021 than the year before?

 

[oneforthebus]

Sorry I just found it odd for you to say you "didn't get it" but then appeared to draw a conclusion saying "but I don't think it's saying what you think it is saying" (which would mean you understand the article after saying you didn't).

I didn't say "I didn't get it" and I drew no conclusions. I said it's a bit over my head, the science I mean, and in fact my exact words were I'm not sure if the conclusions drawn by the guys in the video are accurate ones. I didn't say they aren't, I said I'm not sure because I don't fully understand everything abot this discovery. . For example, does the spike protein do this in every cell in our body? Only the cells infected by covid or where the vaccine spike proteins are injected? Does it happen every time or just sometimes? I don't understand the science enough to have an answer to those questions. It appears to me the purpose of the study in part was to figure out why some people have less effective immune responses to the virus. So do they theorize this impairment happens across the board? Only in some people? Is it more serious in some people ( the elderly for example) because this function is already impaired to some degree?

Yes, we are only at a nanosecond so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.

Both, that's what I gathered but I could be wrong...from the guys in "the" video, not my video.

When I said "your video" I meant the video you posted. I didn't mean it was a video produced by you.

You seem to be looking for a fight when we are more or less in agreement that this is a concerning study. I'm just waiting on more info to know exactly how concerning.

 

[madinsomniac]

I'm just giving you my general impression. I feel like you're dissecting my words looking for an argument. I said it's concerning, I want to know more before drawing conclusions about what it means in terms of people's health


Whose? The study authors or the guys in your video? I'll have to look at it again, I don't recall anything in the study that said it's total loss of DNA repair ability just impairment, or that it's permanent. Or anything in the study that concludes what effects it will have on people. I would think "Covid causes cancer" would be pretty big news if that is in fact what they are saying.

Nobody knows because once again there were no long term studies yet…

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No, that’s what you THINK it shows. It doesn’t provide enough data to show what you claim (which is why I asked you to do the math (that I know you can’t do).

It absolutely does. The most recent studies show Pfizer, for instance, is only 72% effective at preventing death. And 25% of WA's deaths consistently, throughout 2021, have been vaccinated.

You can calculate the likelihoods you'd like to or two step calculations.

If the vaccines worked, deaths and cases wouldn't be higher in WA this year v last. And 1/4 of their deaths wouldn't consistently be vaccinated.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

New Zealand has 34 Covid deaths all time. West Virginia has 4,600 at a fraction of the population. New Zealand has done really well both years.

Strawman. Deflection. All of it. Deaths. WV.

If the vaccines and the lockdowns worked, we wouldn't see these rises in NZ...like Germany, Ireland, et al.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

do you have reminders to blink and breathe? seems someone as stupid as you needs help in such basic concepts of language that it would surprise no one that you have to make conscious efforts to blink and breathe.

More than any poster, at times I stop and look at the screen and say "WTF was he literally just trying to say?" Too often, one is left to guess. Writing clearly, comprehension escape him.

 

[Troglodyte]

It absolutely does. The most recent studies show Pfizer, for instance, is only 72% effective at preventing death. And 25% of WA's deaths consistently, throughout 2021, have been vaccinated.

You can calculate the likelihoods you'd like to or two step calculations.

If the vaccines worked, deaths and cases wouldn't be higher in WA this year v last. And 1/4 of their deaths wouldn't consistently be vaccinated.

No! The data needs to be age adjusted, that is not provided. We know that the unvaccinated are disproportionately young compared to the vaccinated. In science you have to control for variables or you have garbage comparisons.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

For example, does the spike protein do this in every cell in our body?

To me, I'm not sure that matters. It may, it may not. But if it does it to the DNA sequences only, that lead to you getting cancer or having a more deadly case of it...isn't that enough?

Only the cells infected by covid or where the vaccine spike proteins are injected? Does it happen every time or just sometimes?

I'm no doctor either, but assuming the vaccines work like all others. When you get the measles vaccines, does it affect 100% of your cells? Every time? All the time? If not, and all vaccines work that way...isn't this concern/question moot? Trying to figure out why it matters. If some of your cells turn cancerous, you have cancer. You don't need 100% of them to be.

I don't understand the science enough to have an answer to those questions. It appears to me the purpose of the study in part was to figure out why some people have less effective immune responses to the virus.

I don't know what the purpose was. Maybe the purpose was to see if DNA and genes are being edited?

So do they theorize this impairment happens across the board? Only in some people?

Not sure, it was done in vitro and will need time to study. Maybe it's why we see so many post-vax cases?

Is it more serious in some people ( the elderly for example) because this function is already impaired to some degree?

Probably. They note as such in the study.

Yes, we are only at a nanosecond so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.

Correct. When we see studies like these, we need to add them to our learning and proceed with caution.

While this study concerns both Covid and the vaccines, studies like this should give us pause. As a world community. Something is awry. Perhaps we should really think through vaccination and if mass vaccination is smart. We aren't pausing to do anything. Natural immunity studies (by the hundreds) appear...we push harder for vaccines.

We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Conversely, we should be considering findings like these. We don't seem to be doing that at all.

When I said "your video" I meant the video you posted. I didn't mean it was a video produced by you.

You seem to be looking for a fight when we are more or less in agreement that this is a concerning study. I'm just waiting on more info to know exactly how concerning.

Not looking for a fight. Sometimes your approach is simply to dismiss any and all claims people make as misinformation or trust worth. Emphasis on "sometimes". Body language is important for context and is hard to track in emails, texts or on message boards. I interpreted wrongly "your video" in a "great find, wink wink" way. Apologies.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No! The data needs to be age adjusted, that is not provided. We know that the unvaccinated are disproportionately young compared to the vaccinated. In science you have to control for variables or you have garbage comparisons.

Wrong.

In a world where vaccines work, cases/deaths drop. They don't increase.

Washington States cases and deaths have increased while massively vaccinated.

Shots. Say it with me. They are shots.

 

[Troglodyte]

Strawman. Deflection. All of it. Deaths. WV.

If the vaccines and the lockdowns worked, we wouldn't see these rises in NZ...like Germany, Ireland, et al.

Says who? How many of the 174 current cases are even vaccinated? They could all be unvaccinated. You can’t conclude the vaccine is at fault.

 

[Steelworth]

And I’m saying the only way the vaccine works is if you’re vaccinated.

Holy ****, what a breakthrough, brilliant statement. Read that again everybody and marvel.