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Covid Vaccine

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A frightening new potential explanation for vaccine-driven myocarditis and other problems​

Researchers in the New England Journal of Medicine raise the possibility of an uncontrolled autoimmune response to the coronavirus spike protein that may last indefinitely​


Downstream effects of the antibodies that people produce against the coronavirus spike protein may lead to myocarditis and even neurological concerns, two veteran medical researchers have written in the top medical journal in the United States.

Our immune systems produce these antibodies in response to both vaccination and natural infection with Covid. However - though the researchers do not say so explicitly, possibly because doing so would be politically untenable - spike protein antibody levels are MUCH higher following vaccination than infection. Thus the downstream response to vaccination may be more severe.

The NEJM published the short paper Wednesday in its Basic Implications of Clinical Observations series. One of the writers is an oncologist and professor at Harvard Medical School; the other is a cancer researcher who has his own lab at the University of California, Davis.


(SOURCE: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694). <----- in case Floggy can't see it

The spike protein sticks out of the coronavirus shell and binds to a crucial signaling mechanism on our cells called the ACE2 receptor, enabling the virus to infect those cells. The mRNA and DNA/AAV vaccines hijack our cells to make a version of the spike protein. Our immune systems then produce antibodies that will recognize and destroy the spike protein and thus defeat the coronavirus.

But the researchers explain that those spike protein antibodies may themselves produce a second wave of antibodies, called anti-idiotype antibodies or Ab2s. Those Ab2s may modulate the immune system’s initial response by binding with and destroying the first wave of antibodies.

Unfortunately, to do so, the Ab2s must contain structures very similar to the spike protein itself. If they are too similar, they can wind up binding to the same parts of our cells that the spike protein targets.

As the researchers explain:

Some of the resulting anti-idiotype (or “Ab2”) antibodies that are specific for Ab1 can structurally resemble that of the original antigens themselves. Thus, the Ab2 antigen-binding region can potentially represent an exact mirror image of the initial targeted antigen [NOTE: this means the spike protein] in the Ab1 response…

As a result of this mimicry, Ab2 antibodies also have the potential to bind the same receptor that the original antigen was targeting. Ab2 antibodies binding to the original receptor on normal cells therefore have the potential to mediate profound effects on the cell that could result in pathologic changes, particularly in the long term — long after the original antigen itself has disappeared.
[Emphasis added.]

In other words, Ab2 antibodies may continue to damage our bodies long after we have cleared either Sars-Cov-2 itself or the spike proteins that the vaccines cause our cells to make.

To be clear, the researchers did not provide proof that these anti-idiotype antibodies are actually causing problems, or even that they exist. The paper merely presents a theory. But the writers believe it could explain the high incidence of myocarditis “after vaccine administration” and even “neurologic effects of SARS-COV-2 infection or vaccines.”

And what the researchers do not say, but what even the Centers for Disease Control acknowledges, is that vaccination produces much higher levels of anti-spike protein antibodies than natural infection.

“Completion of a primary vaccine series, especially with mRNA vaccines, typically leads to a more consistent, and higher-titer initial antibody response [than natural infection],” the CDC writes. (SOURCE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html)

A large Israeli study found spike protein antibody levels about four times as high in vaccinated as infected people. At the same time, vaccine-generated antibodies wane far more quickly, dropping up to 40 percent a month compared to 5 percent a month for naturally generated antibodies.

Are the high levels of vaccine-generated spike protein antibodies producing an equally robust response from Ab2 antibodies and causing a dangerous autoimmune cascade that can affect the heart and possibly other organs?

No one knows. But with non-Covid all-cause mortality rising in many countries where the mRNA vaccines were used heavily, it might be time to find out.

Especially since health authorities are now pushing booster shots, which produce even higher levels of spike protein antibodies in the people who get them.
 
NEJM aint got no IQ on Flog. What is be Flog say?
 
Grim news out of Michigan. As MAGA yahoos keep spinning their bullshit, the cold, hard reality simply numbs the mind. Spin away, folks. Keep ducking, keep hiding, keep telling yourself lies. It seems avoiding reality at all cost is your chosen path.


Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad -- and certainly not this late in the pandemic.

"I was really hoping that we'd (all) get vaccinated and things would be back to normal," said Sefton, an assistant manager at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan.

(YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT, EVERY SANE, RATIONAL PERSON ON THE PLANET)

But this week Michigan had more patients hospitalized for Covid-19 than ever before. Covid-19 hospitalizations jumped 88% in the past month, according to the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.

"We have more patients than we've ever had at any point, and we're seeing more people die at a rate we've never seen die before," said Jim Dover, president and CEO of Sparrow Health System.

Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

(WE'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR BOOSTER SHOT DIE FROM COVID)
 
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Grim news out of Michigan. As MAGA yahoos keep spinning their bullshit, the cold, hard reality simply numbs the mind. Spin away, folks. Keep ducking, keep hiding, keep telling yourself lies. It seems avoiding reality at all cost is your chosen path.


Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad -- and certainly not this late in the pandemic.

"I was really hoping that we'd (all) get vaccinated and things would be back to normal," said Sefton, an assistant manager at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan.

(YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT, EVERY SANE, RATIONAL PERSON ON THE PLANET)

But this week Michigan had more patients hospitalized for Covid-19 than ever before. Covid-19 hospitalizations jumped 88% in the past month, according to the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.

"We have more patients than we've ever had at any point, and we're seeing more people die at a rate we've never seen die before," said Jim Dover, president and CEO of Sparrow Health System.

Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

(WE'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR BOOSTER SHOT DIE FROM COVID)

Sure we haven't.

Of course if you check the VAERS data we have had a ton of people die from the boster shots.

Take the experimental mRNA treatment if you want to but stop trying to force it on others and stop trying to use a virus with a 99.7% survival rate to push tyranny.
 
Keep ducking, keep hiding, keep telling yourself lies. It seems avoiding reality at all cost is your chosen path.

:LOL: :ROFLMAO:

I unfriended you after I realized you were no different than the others here. Cut from the same cloth. Who needs this much negativity in their life? Not me.

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Take the experimental mRNA treatment if you want to but stop trying to force it on others and stop trying to use a virus with a 99.7% survival rate to push tyranny.

And shove it up his trolling, freeloading Marxist *** at this point.
 
Grim news out of Michigan. As MAGA yahoos keep spinning their bullshit, the cold, hard reality simply numbs the mind. Spin away, folks. Keep ducking, keep hiding, keep telling yourself lies. It seems avoiding reality at all cost is your chosen path.


Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad -- and certainly not this late in the pandemic.

"I was really hoping that we'd (all) get vaccinated and things would be back to normal," said Sefton, an assistant manager at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan.

(YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT, EVERY SANE, RATIONAL PERSON ON THE PLANET)

But this week Michigan had more patients hospitalized for Covid-19 than ever before. Covid-19 hospitalizations jumped 88% in the past month, according to the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.

"We have more patients than we've ever had at any point, and we're seeing more people die at a rate we've never seen die before," said Jim Dover, president and CEO of Sparrow Health System.

Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

(WE'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR BOOSTER SHOT DIE FROM COVID)

And in other news, while you free load here and troll in support of the wonderous amazing vaccine shots that save mankind while ignoring all science and evidence....I present you:

Triple Vaccinated hospital staff catch The Omicron​


Kaiser Permanente says 11 of its vaccinated and boosted Oakland Medical Center workers were among a cluster of East Bay Covid cases linked to the Omicron variant.

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Grim news out of Michigan. As MAGA yahoos keep spinning their bullshit, the cold, hard reality simply numbs the mind. Spin away, folks. Keep ducking, keep hiding, keep telling yourself lies. It seems avoiding reality at all cost is your chosen path.


Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad -- and certainly not this late in the pandemic.

"I was really hoping that we'd (all) get vaccinated and things would be back to normal," said Sefton, an assistant manager at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan.

(YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT, EVERY SANE, RATIONAL PERSON ON THE PLANET)

But this week Michigan had more patients hospitalized for Covid-19 than ever before. Covid-19 hospitalizations jumped 88% in the past month, according to the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.

"We have more patients than we've ever had at any point, and we're seeing more people die at a rate we've never seen die before," said Jim Dover, president and CEO of Sparrow Health System.

Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

(WE'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR BOOSTER SHOT DIE FROM COVID)
keep peddling your biased misinformation from behind your secured border while peeking through the closet slat doors, cuckboy.
btw - Michigan was a blue state.
 
keep peddling your biased misinformation from behind your secured border while peeking through the closet slat doors, cuckboy.
btw - Michigan was a blue state.

Well, Jeff ******* Tiedrich told him what to think so....can't blame him.

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I forgot about that other lunatic. Birds of a feather flock together.
 
Tibor's heroes at work in Germany. Golf clap Tibs, golf clap.

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They are also said to have thrown off passengers without a mask from a train, even though they had a medical certificate that exempted them from the mask requirement.

Berliner Zeitung, a news outlet which belongs to the Springer Group, reported gleefully on this development.

Accordingly, the self-proclaimed “anti-fascists” made themselves felt with the slogan: “Antifa mask control!” When presented with the medical certificates of the affected passengers, they rejected these and instead assaulted them. The attackers told a journalist: “The certificates are probably not real. Now we have to do the job of the police.”

The train passengers were injured in the Antifa assault.

Around 650 police officers were on duty to monitor illegal demos and gatherings in the city.

A registered car parade against Corona measures was on the way through the city from Friedrichsfelde at lunchtime with 80 cars and more than 170 participants. Antifa thugs also attacked the motorcade. Eleven men and three women were arrested, including for road abuse and assault.
 
Yay!


A frightening new potential explanation for vaccine-driven myocarditis and other problems​

Researchers in the New England Journal of Medicine raise the possibility of an uncontrolled autoimmune response to the coronavirus spike protein that may last indefinitely​


Downstream effects of the antibodies that people produce against the coronavirus spike protein may lead to myocarditis and even neurological concerns, two veteran medical researchers have written in the top medical journal in the United States.

Our immune systems produce these antibodies in response to both vaccination and natural infection with Covid. However - though the researchers do not say so explicitly, possibly because doing so would be politically untenable - spike protein antibody levels are MUCH higher following vaccination than infection. Thus the downstream response to vaccination may be more severe.

The NEJM published the short paper Wednesday in its Basic Implications of Clinical Observations series. One of the writers is an oncologist and professor at Harvard Medical School; the other is a cancer researcher who has his own lab at the University of California, Davis.


(SOURCE: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694). <----- in case Floggy can't see it

The spike protein sticks out of the coronavirus shell and binds to a crucial signaling mechanism on our cells called the ACE2 receptor, enabling the virus to infect those cells. The mRNA and DNA/AAV vaccines hijack our cells to make a version of the spike protein. Our immune systems then produce antibodies that will recognize and destroy the spike protein and thus defeat the coronavirus.

But the researchers explain that those spike protein antibodies may themselves produce a second wave of antibodies, called anti-idiotype antibodies or Ab2s. Those Ab2s may modulate the immune system’s initial response by binding with and destroying the first wave of antibodies.

Unfortunately, to do so, the Ab2s must contain structures very similar to the spike protein itself. If they are too similar, they can wind up binding to the same parts of our cells that the spike protein targets.

As the researchers explain:

Some of the resulting anti-idiotype (or “Ab2”) antibodies that are specific for Ab1 can structurally resemble that of the original antigens themselves. Thus, the Ab2 antigen-binding region can potentially represent an exact mirror image of the initial targeted antigen [NOTE: this means the spike protein] in the Ab1 response…

As a result of this mimicry, Ab2 antibodies also have the potential to bind the same receptor that the original antigen was targeting. Ab2 antibodies binding to the original receptor on normal cells therefore have the potential to mediate profound effects on the cell that could result in pathologic changes, particularly in the long term — long after the original antigen itself has disappeared.
[Emphasis added.]

In other words, Ab2 antibodies may continue to damage our bodies long after we have cleared either Sars-Cov-2 itself or the spike proteins that the vaccines cause our cells to make.

To be clear, the researchers did not provide proof that these anti-idiotype antibodies are actually causing problems, or even that they exist. The paper merely presents a theory. But the writers believe it could explain the high incidence of myocarditis “after vaccine administration” and even “neurologic effects of SARS-COV-2 infection or vaccines.”

And what the researchers do not say, but what even the Centers for Disease Control acknowledges, is that vaccination produces much higher levels of anti-spike protein antibodies than natural infection.

“Completion of a primary vaccine series, especially with mRNA vaccines, typically leads to a more consistent, and higher-titer initial antibody response [than natural infection],” the CDC writes. (SOURCE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html)

A large Israeli study found spike protein antibody levels about four times as high in vaccinated as infected people. At the same time, vaccine-generated antibodies wane far more quickly, dropping up to 40 percent a month compared to 5 percent a month for naturally generated antibodies.

Are the high levels of vaccine-generated spike protein antibodies producing an equally robust response from Ab2 antibodies and causing a dangerous autoimmune cascade that can affect the heart and possibly other organs?

No one knows. But with non-Covid all-cause mortality rising in many countries where the mRNA vaccines were used heavily, it might be time to find out.

Especially since health authorities are now pushing booster shots, which produce even higher levels of spike protein antibodies in the people who get them.
So you selectively pay attention to the NEJM when Alex Berenson tells you to be scared of an UNPROVEN THEORY about something they don’t even know EXISTS? No, it’s not ideological for you at all!

Here’s a NEJM study with methods, results and conclusions…

 
So you selectively pay attention to the NEJM when Alex Berenson tells you to be scared of an UNPROVEN THEORY about something they don’t even know EXISTS? No, it’s not ideological for you at all!

Here’s a NEJM study with methods, results and conclusions…


Thank you for confirmation that you do not, as Sarge pointed out, read a thing posted here.

I have personally referred to the NEJM 6 or 7 times here. Regardless the container it came in.

And your deflection is it's an unproven theory. Which are the foundations of science. Were you aware that they still have theories on what might cure cancers? Weak Floggy. Weak as ****.

Yet in 2021 we have seen a spike in myocarditis and pericarditis. It's real, unless you deny that too. So your ideological response is "no big deal, vaccines great!"

And I will attack your NEJM article on one rational point - they did an investigation on a population that was simply members of a healthcare system. Likely a higher % females and no teens and fewer young men. That omits large parts of the population these vaccine conditions affect the most - young men and men in general.

A better study to determine the incidences would have been a general population with all ages and equal representation of sexes.
 
keep peddling your biased misinformation from behind your secured border while peeking through the closet slat doors, cuckboy.
btw - Michigan was a blue state.
Remember these Covidiots in Michigan? Wonder how many have since fallen victim to Darwinism?

 
Thank you for confirmation that you do not, as Sarge pointed out, read a thing posted here.

I have personally referred to the NEJM 6 or 7 times here. Regardless the container it came in.

And your deflection is it's an unproven theory. Which are the foundations of science. Were you aware that they still have theories on what might cure cancers? Weak Floggy. Weak as ****.

Yet in 2021 we have seen a spike in myocarditis and pericarditis. It's real, unless you deny that too. So your ideological response is "no big deal, vaccines great!"

And I will attack your NEJM article on one rational point - they did an investigation on a population that was simply members of a healthcare system. Likely a higher % females and no teens and fewer young men. That omits large parts of the population these vaccine conditions affect the most - young men and men in general.

A better study to determine the incidences would have been a general population with all ages and equal representation of sexes.
Who doesn’t read???

RESULTS: 2.5 million people. INCIDENCE AMONG MALES 16-29 10.69 per 100,000. Your “rational point” attack is an invalid and failed one.
 
Remember these Covidiots in Michigan? Wonder how many have since fallen victim to Darwinism?


You mean this Michigan, the one that sits in the middle of the "Vaccinated States of America" region?

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You mean the Michigan that trails WV in vaccination rate? WV is currently 6th in the nation at 71% and Michigan is 32nd at 56%?

Or this Michigan, the one that has had 3 waves topping 10K per cases in each?

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Who doesn’t read???

RESULTS: 2.5 million people. INCIDENCE AMONG MALES 16-29 10.69 per 100,000. Your “rational point” attack is an invalid and failed one.

If...I....didn't....read....it....how would I have written the initial reply? I just "guessed" at what was inside?? LMAO

My rational point stands. They studied a "health system." Adults. Employed. Higher prevalence of women (likely). No teens, an age group that these vaccine injuries strikes fairly hard.
 
Watch from 8 Minutes on.



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My fully vaccinated and boosted mask wearing aunt in Michigan was just very sick for 10 days but couldn’t be put in the hospital because of lack of staff and the available beds full of mostly vaccinated patients. They had to send her home with oxygen and do daily zoom checks. But please tell me once again this is about the unvaccinated.
 
Remember these Covidiots in Michigan? Wonder how many have since fallen victim to Darwinism?

What do you care? You don't care about the online community you constantly pollute being a freeloader, you don't care about facts/logic/data etc. Why should you care about the unvaxxed?

And if you come back with "because they're selfishly fueling this pandemic!" at this point, it's just another example of you being a moronic shill for corrupt Big Pharma and Gubmint.

BTW, you have a larger tab than Norm from "Cheers" to pay for.
 
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