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The vaccines have concluded Phase III clinical trials.Before drugs are approved by FDA, why do they require Phase III clinical results?
The vaccines have concluded Phase III clinical trials.Before drugs are approved by FDA, why do they require Phase III clinical results?
If we had a flu vaccine that was 99% effective in preventing flu deaths and 94% effective in preventing serious flu illness, don't you think we'd be strongly encouraging people to take it? Would you feel great knowing you put out a bunch of half truths and convinced people not to get it who then died from the flu? (I'm not saying that's what you're doing but many are).Somewhat of a rhetorical question. How about this. We accept the flu burden without shutting down life. Forcing mask mandates. Lockdowns and restrictions. We trust Americans to get the flu shot. We don't go Karen all over people.
We have averaged 35,900 deaths annually over the past 10 years due to the flu (which includes the utter disappearance of the flu this year).
That's 2,991 deaths a month (despite the flu not killing people all year long) or just a little over 98 deaths a day.
Given this is a bit more deadly than the flu, given this will be endemic and never go away...I'd be ok with 100-125 deaths a day give or take.
We were at 179 deaths a day for COVID just 2 weeks ago. Yes cases are rising and we aren't quite there.
EDIT: we had 57 deaths on the 18th, and 142 deaths on the 17th. Those numbers may adjust.
There are more reasons that that. mRNA is unstable and must be kept at -70 C at all times. This means the vaccine could denature and be ineffective. You could have people getting shots that were "spoiled" and wouldn't be protective. We also have no long term studies to back mRNA vaccines on humans. None. So there was no reason to risk mRNA vaccines until COVID but that in and of itself doesn't make mRNA vaccines safe, it just means they haven't been tested long term.There are reasons they haven't been approved for full use and most of it is because they aren't needed, either because there were cheaper and easier to manage options or because the illnesses just weren't all that contagious and died out on their own. The point is that this idea that we have no long term data on the safety of mRNA vaccines is not accurate.
So in a few months when this gets approved for full use you're good with them then. I'm relieved to know you'll finally be getting one.![]()
Apples and oranges. The flu vax has been around for a long time. Would you try a new experimental mRNA flu vax that was rushed into production? That's the issue with the COVID vax.If we had a flu vaccine that was 99% effective in preventing flu deaths and 94% effective in preventing serious flu illness, don't you think we'd be strongly encouraging people to take it? Would you feel great knowing you put out a bunch of half truths and convinced people not to get it who then died from the flu? (I'm not saying that's what you're doing but many are).
If we had a flu vaccine that was 99% effective in preventing flu deaths and 94% effective in preventing serious flu illness, don't you think we'd be strongly encouraging people to take it? Would you feel great knowing you put out a bunch of half truths and convinced people not to get it who then died from the flu? (I'm not saying that's what you're doing but many are).
There are more reasons that that. mRNA is unstable and must be kept at -70 C at all times. This means the vaccine could denature and be ineffective. You could have people getting shots that were "spoiled" and wouldn't be protective. We also have no long term studies to back mRNA vaccines on humans. None. So there was no reason to risk mRNA vaccines until COVID but that in and of itself doesn't make mRNA vaccines safe, it just means they haven't been tested long term.
BTW the guy that invented mRNA technology said this "This is a fundamental right having to do with clinical research ethics," he said. "And so, my concern is that I know that there are risks. But we don't have access to the data, and the data haven't been captured rigorously enough so that we can accurately assess those risks — and therefore … we don't really have the information that we need to make a reasonable decision. That's one of my other objections, is that we toss about these words, risk-benefit analysis, casually as if it's a very deep science. It's not. Normally, at this stage, the CDC [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] would have performed those risk-benefit analyses. They would be data-based and science-based. They're not right now," Malone said.
Malone also said he has "a bias that the benefits probably don't outweigh the risks" for younger people who are being encouraged or required to take the vaccine.
"I can say that the risk-benefit ratio for those 18 and below doesn't justify vaccines, and there's a pretty good chance that it doesn't justify vaccination in these very young adults," he added.
So we don't know the risks right now.
Dying to 'own the Libs.' Smart!
Well, here is what the FDA says:The vaccines have concluded Phase III clinical trials.
I’m still predicting that eventually this turns into a “The Deep State used Delta variant to kill red state voters” conspiracy theory.
Jonas Salk tested the Polio on his own kids before testing it on the public. He’d be spinning in his grave over the moronic anti-Covid vaxers alright.Jonas Salk is spinning in his grave over this **** show.
LOL, Stew Peters and Dr. Jane Ruby, the quack who testified that the vaccine is magnetizing people.Check this **** out, A British doctor discovered what the vaccine is doing to your blood. scary ****.
Covid-19 Blood Sample
Strange you should argue so hard against the vaccine and then feel the need to point fingers at others for not being vaccinated. Why not own it?One more time - the FIFTH time I have told you butt gerbils this undeniable fact - the people not getting the vaccine are most frequently minorities.
Liberals lie so ******* much they have no ability to realize the truth. The irony of those scum arguing that people should be kicked off social media for "disinformation."
Sorry, I should have linked the article:Where did you get his comments? Pretty powerful.
On a side note, I wonder if Floggy would consider the words of the man who invented mRNA technology saying the risk/benefit analysis says not to vaccinate those 18 and under?
Strange you should argue so hard against the vaccine and then feel the need to point fingers at others for not being vaccinated. Why not own it?
You have to get past that type of **** and look at the pictures that a physician supplied. I'm not saying that he's credible, i mean, he's a ******* loon like Alex Jones, but some of what these fringe guys show is legit. You just have to have a critical mindLOL, Stew Peters and Dr. Jane Ruby, the quack who testified that the vaccine is magnetizing people.
Sorry but anyone can fake pictures in this day and age. No I won't be taking the word of a woman who has claimed the vaccine was designed to murder people and causes you to become magnetized.You have to get past that type of **** and look at the pictures that a physician supplied. I'm not saying that he's credible, i mean, he's a ******* loon like Alex Jones, but some of what these fringe guys show is legit. You just have to have a critical mind
Sorry but anyone can fake pictures in this day and age. No I won't be taking the word of a woman who has claimed the vaccine was designed to murder people and causes you to become magnetized.
That show is a cesspool of lunacy. Google Stew Peters and Elizabeth Harding Weinstein. I happen to personally know this woman and she is certifiably insane.
But not too crazy for Stew I guess!
This guy seems somewhat reasonable, though it appears his claim to have invented mRNA vaccines is a bit of a stretch. He does have real credentials and did it appears contribute to developing them. I think his view that the risk benefit doesn't make sense for children is a reasonable point of debate. He does seem to have quite a wacky anti-vaxxer following but I'll have to do a little more digging.Sorry, I should have linked the article:
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'Single most qualified' mRNA expert speaks about vaccine risks after he says YouTube banned his video
The man who invented the mRNA technology used in some coronavirus vaccines says he was censored by YouTube for sharing his concerns on the vaccines in a podcast.news.yahoo.com
You just have to have a critical mind
I've already gone over how you're misinterpreting the VAERS data, and why the numbers seem higher, so I don't agree that it's not disputable that these vaccines are not nearly as safe. Let me know when another vaccine goes into half the country's population in the stretch of a few months and then we'll compare the numbers. Once again, VAERS data are reports of events that happened sometime after getting a vaccine. They aren't reports of events caused by the vaccine.I'm curious, and I'm not picking on you. Not in the least. Asking.
Why are you so confident in these vaccines? Why I'm not:
Data shows they are not nearly as safe as all of the others we have. That's not disputable. More adverse events than all others combined for 30 years. That's a big deal.
The inventor of mRNA recommends not vaccinating kids. Says the risks outweigh letting kids get COVID.
There are warning labels on several of them now due to Myocarditis in kids.
3 or 4 other major nations refuse to give them to kids because the risks outweigh letting kids get COVID.
They are untested. We don't know the long term effects.
This is the first set of mRNA vaccines released for public use. There are long term unknowns.
You seem trusting and confident. Does this come from your conversations with the people you've referenced? Does it come from hope because your family has gotten the vaccines and you want to believe? Does it come from trust in the data you've read? Do you have sources I'm not aware of?
I'm just curious. Not pointing fingers, not judging, not condemning.
Well I totally agree with you there. I don't want information censored. Misinformation should be called out and publicly proven wrong, not hidden from us because we are assumed to be too stupid to look at all the evidence and figure out the truth on our own. I hate misinformation but censorship is not the way to combat it. Legitimate debate is.The fact that Potato Joe, and idiot nazis on this board, are calling for censorship of big tech is so Un-American, that it is unbelievable to me. The free flow of ideas has always been the hallmark of our open society. That ideal is now lost on a great many fools.
Unless this trend is reversed, real bad things are going to happen. Real bad things. History has shown us that when you start controlling speech, it is those with the biggest guns that ultimately win.