Covid Vaccine

[Ironcitysteelers]

Wow, seriously, this **** needs to end. Virginia. Specifically, Northern VA, a bastion of liberal idiocy. George Mason University is mandating all students and professors be vaccinated before returing.

Law professor previously had COVID, has natural immunity, says I'm not getting it. So they won't let him return. So he is suing.

Time is showing natural immunity to be more powerful than the vax. Yet this push...this never-ending push...continues. It is beginning to appear more and more nefarious. Why are we mandating people who have natural immunity get the vax?

I pray he wins his suit.

George Mason University goes mandatory… Law professor threatens to sue…

Law Professor Todd Zywicki with Laura Ingraham on Thursday (LifeSiteNews) — A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the ins…

citizenfreepress.com

A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the institution for requiring him to take a COVID-19 vaccine despite his natural immunity.

GMU is requiring all students to be fully vaccinated by August 1 before returning to campus, and all faculty to have received at least one dose by August 15 and be fully vaccinated by October 1, except for individuals with an “approved medical or religious exemption.”

The Epoch Times reports that the New Civil Liberties Alliance is representing Todd Zywicki, a professor at GMU’s Scalia Law School who has already contracted and recovered from Covid, against what it calls a “flawed reopening policy” that “tramples on the civil liberties of students, faculty, and employees alike.”

“For Professor Zywicki, who has recovered from COVID-19 and acquired robust natural immunity, it is not only medically unnecessary to undergo a vaccination procedure at the current time, but doing so also would create a risk of harm to him,” the NCLA explained in a July 21 letter warning of potential litigation. “Although the Policy may be well-intentioned, GMU has breached its constitutional and ethical obligations by interfering with health decisions that should reside with individuals and their medical providers.”

“George Mason is forcing me to choose between serving my students on one hand and undergoing an unnecessary and potentially risky medical procedure on the other,” Zywicki himself said. “Multiple clinical studies have shown that natural immunity provides at least as much protection against reinfection as the most effective vaccines.”

While it is not yet known whether natural immunity lasts an entire lifetime, multiple studies have found the presence of antibodies in patients’ systems up to a year after infection, as well as indications that natural immunity may be more effective than vaccinated immunity.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” says Dr. Marty Makary, professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who believes natural COVID immunity will “probably” be life-long. “We are not seeing reinfections, and when they do happen, they’re rare. Their symptoms are mild or are asymptomatic.”

Should be interesting if he has tenure

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Some TREMENDOUS news on Novavax. Written, even, by The Atlantic:

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way. Some of those people who have been wary of getting the mRNA vaccines may find Novavax more appealing.

The Novavax vaccine also has a substantially lower rate of side effects than the authorized mRNA vaccines. Last week’s data showed that about 40 percent of people who receive Novavax report fatigue after the second dose, as compared with 65 percent for Moderna and more than 55 percent for Pfizer. Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance. The CDC reported on Monday that, according to a survey conducted in the spring, only about half of adults under the age of 40 have gotten the vaccine or definitely intend to do so, and that, among the rest, 56 percent say they are concerned about side effects. Lower rates of adverse events are likely to be a bigger issue still for parents, when considering vaccination for their children.

But here’s what we know today, based on information that we have right now: Among several wonderful options, the more old-school vaccine from Novavax combines ease of manufacture with high efficacy and lower side effects. For the moment, it’s the best COVID-19 vaccine we have.

sounds promising. Just need to wait for congress to buy up large stock positions, i mean for the FDA to approve...

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I can’t say that I understood it either. I didn’t notice the dates and I’m not familiar with the person.

i believe the point is to show the complete hypocrisy of the left who were totally against vaccines and said they'd never trust them when Trump was Prez, but now they demand you take one and want the gov to basically force you to get it.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Wow, seriously, this **** needs to end. Virginia. Specifically, Northern VA, a bastion of liberal idiocy. George Mason University is mandating all students and professors be vaccinated before returing.

Law professor previously had COVID, has natural immunity, says I'm not getting it. So they won't let him return. So he is suing.

Time is showing natural immunity to be more powerful than the vax. Yet this push...this never-ending push...continues. It is beginning to appear more and more nefarious. Why are we mandating people who have natural immunity get the vax?

I pray he wins his suit.

George Mason University goes mandatory… Law professor threatens to sue…

Law Professor Todd Zywicki with Laura Ingraham on Thursday (LifeSiteNews) — A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the ins…

citizenfreepress.com

A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the institution for requiring him to take a COVID-19 vaccine despite his natural immunity.

GMU is requiring all students to be fully vaccinated by August 1 before returning to campus, and all faculty to have received at least one dose by August 15 and be fully vaccinated by October 1, except for individuals with an “approved medical or religious exemption.”

The Epoch Times reports that the New Civil Liberties Alliance is representing Todd Zywicki, a professor at GMU’s Scalia Law School who has already contracted and recovered from Covid, against what it calls a “flawed reopening policy” that “tramples on the civil liberties of students, faculty, and employees alike.”

“For Professor Zywicki, who has recovered from COVID-19 and acquired robust natural immunity, it is not only medically unnecessary to undergo a vaccination procedure at the current time, but doing so also would create a risk of harm to him,” the NCLA explained in a July 21 letter warning of potential litigation. “Although the Policy may be well-intentioned, GMU has breached its constitutional and ethical obligations by interfering with health decisions that should reside with individuals and their medical providers.”

“George Mason is forcing me to choose between serving my students on one hand and undergoing an unnecessary and potentially risky medical procedure on the other,” Zywicki himself said. “Multiple clinical studies have shown that natural immunity provides at least as much protection against reinfection as the most effective vaccines.”

While it is not yet known whether natural immunity lasts an entire lifetime, multiple studies have found the presence of antibodies in patients’ systems up to a year after infection, as well as indications that natural immunity may be more effective than vaccinated immunity.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” says Dr. Marty Makary, professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who believes natural COVID immunity will “probably” be life-long. “We are not seeing reinfections, and when they do happen, they’re rare. Their symptoms are mild or are asymptomatic.”

Are they even aware of the irony? George Mason is probably the main reason that the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Are they even aware of the irony? George Mason is probably the main reason that the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution.

You win the internet today.

George is rolling over in his grave.

 

[Troglodyte]

WHERE ARE THE DEATHS FLOGGY? You've been arguing cases are rising for weeks. It takes on average 18.5 days for them to succumb. Many more should have given the numbers in July.

They...have...not.

Cases are up hundreds of percents. Deaths are up a fraction.

Because...it's not as deadly a strain, COVID is no longer very deadly at all, natural immunity, vaccinations.



Could you ever read? I said, "by and large" the people who had COVID in the first two weeks of July are over it. Does the phrase by and large mean anything to you? You redefine ignorant.

Why don't you focus today on taking your vaccinated self and get tested? Seems like ya'll are becoming super spreaders.

The deaths are among the unvaccinated, haven’t you heard? Again, the reason deaths aren’t up more is because the most vulnerable demographic are 80+% vaccinated. It’s all about the vaccine. You provide no source for your less deadly strain argument, just nonsensical inferences.

If you understood math and averages, you would realize it’s not “by and large”. The AVERAGE is 18.5 days, half of those were likely more than 18.5 days. Regardless, your 7 day average comparison argument is blown to ****, isn’t it? 7<>18.5, not even close.

 

[Troglodyte]

The point Flog is ya'll do be spreading it. Ya'll do be tell us if you get the vax, you be protected.

Where we are: Hysterically watching all of you walk this backward, inch by inch, foot by foot....

• The vax will protect you from catching covid.
• The vax may protect you from catching covid
• If you have the vax, you won't spread covid
• Breakthrough cases are incredibly rare
• But if you do get covid after have the jab, your viral load will be really low
• Some people with the vax are catching covid but it's really very rare
• OK...more people with the jab are catching and spreading COVID
• Umm...wait...75% of those in the Massachusetts outbreak had the vax!
• 40% of those infected in Israel were vaccinated
• Tests show the viral load the vaccinated are carrying is equal to those unvaccinated

Seems to me, what we've learned this week....those of you all who have had the vax should NOT be visiting Granny until you've had a PCR test because you're spreaders.

They aren't finding this data out about the naturally immune...I don't think.

Why should we, the fully vaccinated, care? .004% of fully vaccinated experience a breakthrough cases requiring hospitalization, .001% die. WE did our part.

YOU had more than ample time to get vaccinated. This is YOUR problem.

 

[Troglodyte]

Are they even aware of the irony? George Mason is probably the main reason that the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution.

So, he’d be against an employer’s right to manage a problem in the easiest, most practical and most effective way?

GMU accommodates their employees by providing a safe workplace. They accommodate their students with an infirmary. They accommodate their employees with health insurance. Why should they be required to accommodate employees and students who refuse vaccination? Those employees and students have a right to find a different employer or school, their ENTITLEMENT ends there.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So, he’d be against an employer’s right to manage a problem in the easiest, most practical and most effective way?

GMU accommodates their employees by providing a safe workplace. They accommodate their students with an infirmary. They accommodate their employees with health insurance. Why should they be required to accommodate employees and students who refuse vaccination? Those employees and students have a right to find a different employer or school, their ENTITLEMENT ends there.

What part of he has natural immunity don't you understand?
Natural immunity from having the 'Rona is better than what you get from a vaccine.
If you have natural immunity then it's actually dangerous for you to get a vaccine.
But for bureaucracies there can be no exceptions.
Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. You don't understand much of anything.

 

[Stainless]

If there is evidence suggesting it's dangerous to get vaccinated if you've had COVID, why aren't we testing for anti-bodies prior to vaccination?

 

[DBS1970]

It’s a cold virus. It’s already mutated past the vax.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The deaths are among the unvaccinated, haven’t you heard? Again, the reason deaths aren’t up more is because the most vulnerable demographic are 80+% vaccinated. It’s all about the vaccine. You provide no source for your less deadly strain argument, just nonsensical inferences.

If you understood math and averages, you would realize it’s not “by and large”. The AVERAGE is 18.5 days, half of those were likely more than 18.5 days. Regardless, your 7 day average comparison argument is blown to ****, isn’t it? 7<>18.5, not even close.

Dr. Kelly Victory: Delta variant is far, far less lethal -

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Earlier this week, the CDC changed its masking guidelines, recommending that even vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant of the coronavirus is fueling surges in new cases. Citing new information about the variant’s...

www.kusi.com

Vaccinated or not it is less deadly. By the very nature of viruses and mutations they almost always mutate to spread faster and become less lethal, it is just what they do. We will have Covid-19 around forever in some form, it isn't going away and we have to just learn to live with it. It is already looking less deadly than the flu in it's latest iteration.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

So, he’d be against an employer’s right to manage a problem in the easiest, most practical and most effective way?

GMU accommodates their employees by providing a safe workplace. They accommodate their students with an infirmary. They accommodate their employees with health insurance. Why should they be required to accommodate employees and students who refuse vaccination? Those employees and students have a right to find a different employer or school, their ENTITLEMENT ends there.

You know, I realize the term Nazi is reserved for conservatives, but you just might want to check your mirror.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The deaths are among the unvaccinated, haven’t you heard? Again, the reason deaths aren’t up more is because the most vulnerable demographic are 80+% vaccinated. It’s all about the vaccine. You provide no source for your less deadly strain argument, just nonsensical inferences.

If you understood math and averages, you would realize it’s not “by and large”. The AVERAGE is 18.5 days, half of those were likely more than 18.5 days. Regardless, your 7 day average comparison argument is blown to ****, isn’t it? 7<>18.5, not even close.

This discussion is over, and I've won again. Quite literally, any inane waffling you provide is simply answered by your dear leader's words. The experts say...everything I have been saying is right.

President Dementia: "While cases are on the rise, we’re not likely to see according to the experts a comparable rise in hospitalizations or deaths."

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Why should we, the fully vaccinated, care? .004% of fully vaccinated experience a breakthrough cases requiring hospitalization, .001% die. WE did our part.

YOU had more than ample time to get vaccinated. This is YOUR problem.

What we have learned this week are two very important things.

ONE: If you are vaccinated, you are a super spreader. And in terms of those out there infected, you may represent 40-75% of the infected population. Do not trust the vaccinated and please for the love of GOD if you visit Granny, get TESTED. You're all carriers.

TWO: This spike in cases will be just like it's been in India, and in Britain. It's Delta, a lesser variant. And President Joe Xiden himself said: "While cases are on the rise, we’re not likely to see according to the experts a comparable rise in hospitalizations or deaths."

(I hate to say that Joe and I see eye to eye on anything, believe me. But when you are right yer right. And if I end up being wrong, well...Joe's wrong. A great position to be in)

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

So, he’d be against an employer’s right to manage a problem in the easiest, most practical and most effective way?

GMU accommodates their employees by providing a safe workplace. They accommodate their students with an infirmary. They accommodate their employees with health insurance. Why should they be required to accommodate employees and students who refuse vaccination? Those employees and students have a right to find a different employer or school, their ENTITLEMENT ends there.

He would be against a government being able to simply say "it's for your own good" to negate the law. And save the nonsense that these are private businesses deciding this on their own. They are clearly being pressured to do so.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Dr. Kelly Victory: Delta variant is far, far less lethal -

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Earlier this week, the CDC changed its masking guidelines, recommending that even vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant of the coronavirus is fueling surges in new cases. Citing new information about the variant’s...

www.kusi.com

Vaccinated or not it is less deadly. By the very nature of viruses and mutations they almost always mutate to spread faster and become less lethal, it is just what they do. We will have Covid-19 around forever in some form, it isn't going away and we have to just learn to live with it. It is already looking less deadly than the flu in it's latest iteration.

What we all need to come to grips with is those articles written about Liberals who can't let go of the lockdowns is truly and utterly about Floggy and Tibs. No joke, they ARE the subject of those writings. No matter what facts are thrown at them, even by their own party their own organizations they worship, they will dismiss them if they don't fit the agenda which is lockdown, lockdown, lockdown, fear, fear, fear. They want it forever. They have, as the articles stated, become addicted to this new world.

We offer scientific studies - not one, hundreds of them - showing masks don't work and they will tell you "the science says" and dismiss every single fact.
We offer scientific studies, dozens, showing Delta variant to be less lethal, and they dismiss them all.

Now you offer this, the opinion of a medical doctor. They will dismiss it. They are so addicted, they will dismiss their own President's words:

President Dementia: "While cases are on the rise, we’re not likely to see according to the experts a comparable rise in hospitalizations or deaths."

In fact, they will dismiss these findings as well because they go against the grain of their ideology:

Doctor says: Stop the panic over the Delta variant

Delta is not the existential threat that the media is making it out to be.

nypost.com

The COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 population is lower than it was three weeks ago. The reasons are not hard to understand.

First, the Delta variant does not appear to be especially deadly. Cases are no more likely to be hospitalized or die than with other variants.

Second, the most vulnerable people are largely protected.

Don’t buy the hysteria: The Delta variant is actually less dangerous

While Delta caused a 10 percent rise in daily US cases late last month, COVID hospital admissions actually dropped.

nypost.com

On Wednesday, the Delta variant became America’s dominant COVID strain. Yet it’s no cause for panic: The numbers — especially in Britain, which Delta hit hard — show it causes far fewer hospitalizations and deaths, while vaccines remain highly effective against it.

Delta Variant Less Dangerous Than Flu - Austin G. Walters

At time of writing, the UK is again under lockdowns and the Delta (Indian) variant of COVID-19 within the UK appears to be on the rise. What’s more interesting, is that the vaccine does not appear to reduce the death rate. Delta Variant On June 18, 2021, the UK government released a briefing...

austingwalters.com

On June 18, 2021, the UK government released a briefing called SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation. In that report, they review the Delta cases since February 1, 2021 in the UK.

The most interesting aspect zooming into the Delta variant, there are around 60,000 cases since February 2021.



What becomes interesting, is when you compare the case fatality rate between the unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals. It appears the case fatality rate (as well as the raw number of fatalities) is higher than the unvaccinated individuals.



They won't read this, but the rest of you may. Stay educated.

 

[Tibs]

They won't read this, but the rest of you may. Stay educated.

Fasten your seatbelts and go spinning down the rabbit hole with Tim Steelersfan & Steeltime. Enjoy the ride, folks! Stay safe!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Fasten your seatbelts and go spinning down the rabbit hole with Tim Steelersfan & Steeltime. Enjoy the ride, folks! Stay safe!

Take the time to read the articles and watch the videos and educate yourself Tibs. Like so many, you've become a danger to all with your lack of education.

Your own President has spoken: "While cases are on the rise, we’re not likely to see according to the experts a comparable rise in hospitalizations or deaths." As horrifying as it is to say, Joe Biden and TSF agree vehemently on something.

Do you disagree with him? He agrees with these doctors, that the delta variant is less dangerous. We are NOT seeing a comparable rise in hospitalizations and deaths, just as I've been demonstrating to Floggy.

Or are you so addicted to this panic fear porn you're going to disagree with President Depends and continue to bang the drum and call India a RAGING INFERNO and the USA now a RAGING INFERNO and keep spreading the **** you always get wrong?

At what point do you back down here? To continue, you have to disagree with Xiden and you never do that.

 

[Tibs]

No amount of death, suffering or destruction will get you off your high horse, Tim. The MAGA death cult is on a path of nihilism and utter self-destruction. You won't rest until the whole country goes down in flames, just so you can say you 'owned the libs.' You and your ilk are the most dangerous animal there is. Gravely wounded, exhausted and feeling cornered.

I just hope there are enough decent & rational Americans to push back against this madness. The nation must overcome & defeat MAGA once and for all. It has poisoned the well like at no other time in American history.

I hope you & your family are able to stay safe & healthy and can find a way to withstand the bottomless depths of your ignorance.

 

[JMM]

Much text, no substance or response. SOP...

 

[Supersteeler]

Take the time to read the articles and watch the videos and educate yourself Tibs. Like so many, you've become a danger to all with your lack of education.

Your own President has spoken: "While cases are on the rise, we’re not likely to see according to the experts a comparable rise in hospitalizations or deaths." As horrifying as it is to say, Joe Biden and TSF agree vehemently on something.

Do you disagree with him? He agrees with these doctors, that the delta variant is less dangerous. We are NOT seeing a comparable rise in hospitalizations and deaths, just as I've been demonstrating to Floggy.

Or are you so addicted to this panic fear porn you're going to disagree with President Depends and continue to bang the drum and call India a RAGING INFERNO and the USA now a RAGING INFERNO and keep spreading the **** you always get wrong?

At what point do you back down here? To continue, you have to disagree with Xiden and you never do that.

One of the hallmark symptoms of terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome is the complete abandonment of value that they place on provable facts. Leftists now gleefully admit that facts are not important to them. Something being true or false is irrelevant to their addled minds......the only question is, does it fit narrative? They are rudderless ships floating around looking for conflict. If Trump suddenly pulled a 180 and came out tomorrow that he is in favor of crime and illegal immigration, plus he's anti police and anti America, within 24 hours the Leftist sheep would be marching through every town waving the flag and decked out in so much Red, White and Blue, they would put Uncle Sam to shame. As soon as CNN told them to do it of course. Their convictions aren't rooted in anything beside mindless obedience.

 

[JMM]

One of the hallmark symptoms of terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome is the complete abandonment of value that they place on provable facts. Leftists now gleefully admit that facts are not important to them. Something being true or false is irrelevant to their addled minds......the only question is, does it fit narrative? They are rudderless ships floating around looking for conflict. If Trump suddenly pulled a 180 and came out tomorrow that he is in favor of crime and illegal immigration, plus he's anti police and anti America, within 24 hours the Leftist sheep would be marching through every town waving the flag and decked out in so much Red, White and Blu, they would out Uncle Sam to shame. As soon as CNN told them to do it of course. Their convictions aren't rooted in anything beside mindless obedience.

Personally I think there's more to it than hatred of Trump. He is a symbol of liberty and freedom which Marxists despise to their core. The next Trump will be hated just as much and we'll see the same tactics to stall and bury him/her in the muck of the swamp.

The faster folks can see that Marxists are on the march (and have been for quite awhile), the faster we can put the country back on the rails.

 

[Troglodyte]

What part of he has natural immunity don't you understand?
Natural immunity from having the 'Rona is better than what you get from a vaccine.
If you have natural immunity then it's actually dangerous for you to get a vaccine.
But for bureaucracies there can be no exceptions.
Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. You don't understand much of anything.

The Lamar Jackson part of natural immunity.

It’s dangerous to get the vaccine if you have natural immunity? Nonsense. What quack made that up and why aren’t they testing people for antibodies before administering the vaccine? Why are hundreds of health systems across the US administering vaccines? None of them know any better?

I understand you’re nowhere close to being a medical doctor.

 

[Badcat]

Pa. But wouldn’t I have to get some proof?

Proof of what? Religion? Nope, I would look into it more but the school and employers must give you the option to opt out based on "religious or strong moral conviction".