Covid Vaccine

[deljzc]

By the time it trickles down the line and is available for wide-spread distribution to all Americans at my local CVS or Rite-Aid (which is where I get my flu vaccine), I suspect most adverse side effects will be fairly well documented. People are saying that might not be until March.

I have very few allergies (if any) and I've never had any bad side effects from any vaccines. I'm pretty sure it is 100% safe for me.

Really, at this point in my life, I don't take too many vaccines. Flu vaccine every year. I might be getting Shingles vaccine (being over 50). We all get tetanus vaccine if we get a nasty wound.

My kids get them all. And they are at the age where they will be getting the HPV vaccine as well.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I hear the vaccine is 95% effective which is just 4% less effective than most people’s own immune systems in fighting Covid.

 

[oneforthebus]

If you are getting the vaccine, why are you worried about hospital beds or ICU beds since all of the people getting vaccinated won't need them anyway?

1) The vaccine appears to prevent people from getting ill from covid, it is unknown as of yet if vaccinated people cannot become infected and pass along the virus to unvaccinated people.

2) I might need a hospital or ICU bed for something other than covid. This virus spreads like wildfire so overwhelmed hospitals will be a problem as long as there are large numbers of people who aren’t vaccinated.

 

[oneforthebus]

I hear the vaccine is 95% effective which is just 4% less effective than most people’s own immune systems in fighting Covid.

Except the vaccine doesn’t just prevent death, it prevents illness. Maybe a nice long hospitalization or icu stay that you survive is a win for you. Not me.

 

[IndySteel]

Except the vaccine doesn’t just prevent death, it prevents illness. Maybe a nice long hospitalization or icu stay that you survive is a win for you. Not me.

It’s a bullshit virus. Most people don’t even know if they get it because of no symptoms. All regular seasonal flu cases are being recorded as Covid. But go ahead and eat the hype, be a scared sheep. Baaaaaaaa! 99.4% even with inflated, fake cases.

 

[Supersteeler]

It’s a bullshit virus. Most people don’t even know if they get it because of no symptoms. All regular seasonal flu cases are being recorded as Covid. But go ahead and eat the hype, be a scared sheep. Baaaaaaaa! 99.4% even with inflated, fake cases.

My friend's uncle' just died from Covid two days ago at 60 years old and pretty healthy. He was on a ventilator for the past two weeks and they couldn't save him. Believe that if it makes you feel better I guess. Like it or not, believe it or not, the scariest part of this virus by far is it's unpredictability., Nineteen out of twenty people get it and have little symptoms or regular cold symptoms. The 20th ends up on a ventilator and has life threatening symptoms. And nobody knows why.

 

[oneforthebus]

It’s a bullshit virus. Most people don’t even know if they get it because of no symptoms. All regular seasonal flu cases are being recorded as Covid. But go ahead and eat the hype, be a scared sheep. Baaaaaaaa! 99.4% even with inflated, fake cases.

Dude, I’m not scared. The chances of me dying from covid are low. The chances of me dying from measles are also low but why the **** would I want to risk getting measles if I don’t have to? What are the chances of me dying from this vaccine? As of now, they are zero out of tens of thousands.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

It’s a bullshit virus. Most people don’t even know if they get it because of no symptoms. All regular seasonal flu cases are being recorded as Covid. But go ahead and eat the hype, be a scared sheep. Baaaaaaaa! 99.4% even with inflated, fake cases.

I think this is the first year we had no deaths in my nursing homes of residents from the flu.

 

[oneforthebus]

My friend's uncle' just died from Covid two days ago at 60 years old and pretty healthy. He was on a ventilator for the past two weeks and they couldn't save him. Believe that if it makes you feel better I guess. Like it or not, believe it or not, the scariest part of this virus by far is it's unpredictability., Nineteen out of twenty people get it and have little symptoms or regular cold symptoms. The 20th ends up on a ventilator and has life threatening symptoms. And nobody knows why.

I now am personally acquainted with an elderly Alzheimer’s patient who died, a 63 year old who spent a week in the ICU and is currently in a rehabilitation hospital, and numerous younger healthy people whose symptoms ranged from non-existent to a really bad flu-like illness that they still have effects from weeks later. Do I want to roll the dice and see what comes up for me if I don’t have to? Nope.

 

[oneforthebus]

I think this is the first year we had no deaths in my nursing homes of residents from the flu.

Right, because the all of the covid precautions are likely slowing the spread of the flu.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Right, because the all of the covid precautions are likely slowing the spread of the flu.

Yeah. No. If that was the case covid wouldn’t be coming in either.

 

[Booted]

My friend's uncle' just died from Covid two days ago at 60 years old and pretty healthy. He was on a ventilator for the past two weeks and they couldn't save him. Believe that if it makes you feel better I guess. Like it or not, believe it or not, the scariest part of this virus by far is it's unpredictability., Nineteen out of twenty people get it and have little symptoms or regular cold symptoms. The 20th ends up on a ventilator and has life threatening symptoms. And nobody knows why.

My brother in Memphis got covid. Felt like death for a few days before going to the hospital for a week. They have him on oxygen, no ventilator, and he should be going home tomorrow to rest for a few more days. Just because you don't die doesn't mean it's no big deal.

 

[Steelworth]

Except the vaccine doesn’t just prevent death, it prevents illness. Maybe a nice long hospitalization or icu stay that you survive is a win for you. Not me.

I understand why some (or maybe most) would want the vaccine. You are either around young children, immunocompromised or vulnerable elderly adults often and have also been beaten over the head with how dangerous it is. We're also all different ages with different health circumstances, so therefore try to understand why a person wouldn't want to get the vaccine as well. And remember, the common cold is a coronavirus (I thought it was a rhinovirus, but I'll defer to MIT on this one; below from MIT medical):

A 2007 study looked at 176 individuals who had recovered from severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), a previously unknown coronavirus that appeared in 2002. Researchers demonstrated that these individuals maintained SARS-specific antibodies for an average of two years and concluded that they would likely be susceptible to reinfection three years after their initial illness. A more recent study that examined the persistence of antibodies to another coronavirus, the common cold, found reinfections occurring as soon as six months after the first infection, and most often by 12 months.

When it comes to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, most scientists think that most people will have some immunity for at least some period of time after recovery. But reports about people getting sick again, or testing positive for a second time, have been circulating for months. These reports have been impossible to confirm, however, because it wasn’t clear if these individuals were testing positive for a second time due to an actual second infection or if the test simply detected the presence of residual, non-infectious, genetic material from these individuals’ first infection with the virus. We know that in some people, non-infectious viral RNA can linger for some time and that this can result in a positive PCR test, even when someone has been fully recovered for some time and is no longer contagious.

I'm almost positive I've already had this Coronavirus back in February of this year. I can count on one hand how many times I've had a fever in my life, and most were when I was a kid. I had a fever for two days with a cough, and was recovering by the third day. Reason I posted above article excerpt is they don't really know about reinfection, but according to research from the SARS outbreak in 2002, they were immune for three years. This isn't about being macho or being thick-headed (at least for me), it's about looking at the entire picture, understanding my own health and the people around me, understanding the virus itself as much as I can (they sure seem to keep us in the dark about certain things except that it's so bad that we've had to change our way of life because of it), and being a bit skeptical of vaccines. I've never gotten or will get a vaccine for the flu.

And I could certainly change my mind. I'm just at this point sticking to my vitamins/minerals/supplements routine while staying cautious. Sound reasonable?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

My brother in Memphis got covid. Felt like death for a few days before going to the hospital for a week. They have him on oxygen, no ventilator, and he should be going home tomorrow to rest for a few more days. Just because you don't die doesn't mean it's no big deal.

Sorry to hear.

I’m fairly certain I speak all that are of the same thought we have not said it’s not a big deal nor that it hasn’t caused loss

 

[oneforthebus]

Yeah. No. If that was the case covid wouldn’t be coming in either.

I don't know where you live but here the precautions have slowed the spread a lot in the senior living communities where I work. Most have few cases. The age range of positive cases has decreased dramatically from the early days.

 

[Steelworth]

My brother in Memphis got covid. Felt like death for a few days before going to the hospital for a week. They have him on oxygen, no ventilator, and he should be going home tomorrow to rest for a few more days. Just because you don't die doesn't mean it's no big deal.

Just curious, how old is he and does he have a history of respiratory problems e.g. bronchitis, pneumonia, heavy smoker at any point etc.?

And hope he has a full recovery man.

 

[Booted]

Just curious, how old is he and does he have a history of respiratory problems e.g. bronchitis, pneumonia, heavy smoker at any point etc.?

53 and 50lbs overweight . No other ailments.

 

[oneforthebus]

I understand why some (or maybe most) would want the vaccine. You are either around young children, immunocompromised or vulnerable elderly adults often and have also been beaten over the head with how dangerous it is. We're also all different ages with different health circumstances, so therefore try to understand why a person wouldn't want to get the vaccine as well. And remember, the common cold is a coronavirus (I thought it was a rhinovirus, but I'll defer to MIT on this one; below from MIT medical):



I'm almost positive I've already had this Coronavirus back in February of this year. I can count on one hand how many times I've had a fever in my life, and most were when I was an kid. I had a fever for two days with a cough, and was recovering by the third day. Reason I posted above article excerpt is they don't really know about reinfection, but according to research from the SARS outbreak in 2002, they were immune for three years. This isn't about being macho or being thick-headed (at least for me), it's about looking at the entire picture, understanding my own health and the people around me, understanding the virus itself as much as I can (they sure seem to keep us in the dark about certain things except that it's so bad that we've had to change our way of life because of it), and being a bit skeptical of vaccines. I've never gotten or will get a vaccine for the flu.

And I could certainly change my mind. I'm just at this point sticking to my vitamins/minerals/supplements routine while staying cautious. Sound reasonable?

It's reasonable. I mean everyone's gonna do what they're gonna do. I am very anxious for life to get back to normal and without a large number of vaccinated people that's not going to happen. So that's my vested interest.

I actually did not get the flu vaccine either till I turned 50. That's when the risks of getting the flu start to increase. It's not that I was an anti-vaxxer, it was just that it wasn't recommended for all ages years ago and I have never gotten the flu that I'm aware of.

But this is my third year getting the shot and and I still haven't gotten the flu. Or any weird reaction to the shot either.

I did a deep dive into all the horror stories when the HPV vaccine came out. What you find is that there are a lot of anecdotes, but generally the data shows adverse events that are comparable to the numbers of the same events in non-vaccinated people. So no reason to think the vaccines caused them, but if they happened at the same time as the vaccine they are listed. Even so the numbers are very, very low. In the end all three of my kids got it, No reactions whatsoever and I think it's great that they are protected from getting many strains of HPV even if the chance of getting cancer and dying from it is low. HPV can cause a lot of other issues beyond killing someone.

You've got to look at the science and the data. Of course all the politicizing of everything has made people very distrustful of that and that's very dangerous IMO.

 

[Djfan]

We told our work that if the vaccine was mandated, we would both quit on the spot. Many employees said the same thing.

I ain't happening.

 

[Steelin]

My daughter's boyfriend just tested positive. I'm going to get tested tomorrow. I've had a headache and stuffy nose for a few days.

 

[jitter77]

What kind of symptoms? Covid Symptoms? I'll still most likely take it since I have most of the common symptoms of Covid for 5 months out of every year regularly anyway.

I think its fever, aches, chills etc....but it only lasts for like a day.

 

[jitter77]

Nope. My body already did it’s job. Now, after all the sheep get it and the I can see real-time side affects but more importantly long term then yes. I am not an anti vaxer

There is some risk to the vaccine, but I am more worried about the long term effects from COVID.

 

[oneforthebus]

My daughter's boyfriend just tested positive. I'm going to get tested tomorrow. I've had a headache and stuffy nose for a few days.

Good luck, and speedy recovery to you both.

 

[fedderone]

I’m no immunologist/biologist/infectious disease doctor.....didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But I work for a large Healthcare System, and have been in the field for 2 decades. Some thoughts using common sense.

1) When the doctor came back from Africa having been exposed to Ebola, and was quarantined, there was a HUGE uprising about infringing on her rights......Ebola.
2) Ebola has a 50% death rate. FIFTY PERCENT.
3) COVID has a 3% death rate.

This should NOT be a political argument from anyone. This isn’t about Rs or D’s or Ls or Is. Not right wing or left wing or crazy wing. It’s a science thing. It’s a health thing. It’s a common sense thing.

Do you know / realize how many things on this planet clip people at a higher percentage than COVID? Do you comprehend how many other things out there claim more lives than COVID?

Have people died from COVID? Sadly, yes.
Have certain deaths been inaccurately attributed to COVID? Sadly, yes again. I have personally seen this. Healthcare officials are listing “cause of death” as COVID because they’re getting money for COVID. Additional money. From the government. Most hospitals/healthcare systems are “not for profit”, so additional money after taking drastic hits from Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are most welcome.

I’m not out here wearing a tin foil hat espousing conspiracies. But starting way back at 9/11, we Americans - our GUARANTEED rights have been eroding. This COVID overreaction of a knee jerk reaction is the most egregious and pompous power grab of all.

If you get a flu shot, it’s possible you can still get the flu. The flu shot they concoct every year is the best guess as to which strain is going to be the most common. The are countless strains of flus. A vaccination does NOT make you immune to the flu.
These COVID vaccinations will NOT make you immune to COVID. As they’ve already discovered, there is more than one strand.

Every single vaccination developed before these COVID vaccines typically went through a DECADE of research, trials, animal studies, human studies, etc. before mass production and release. Why the rush to get this one out so fast?

Also, why when we first heard about this “deadly disease”, and we wanted to shut down ALL borders, shut down ALL travel, and quarantine anyone in the early days, why was this seen as inhuman, mocked, called xenophobic, and meant to appear as trampling of our liberties.........only to have a complete 180 reversal 2 months later completing shutting the entire country down?

Essential business? Liquor stores. Never closed down.
AA Meetings? Can’t have small gatherings of people. Cancelled.
It’s your right to riot and protest.....as long a you wear your made from an old t-shirt mask.
But you can’t attend your children’s sporting events outdoors wearing KN95 masks because that would be putting people at unnecessary risk.

I implore you to read facts. Do NOT ignore science. Listen to ALL professionals. Not just the nuts on polar opposites of each other. Listen from one side to the other.
But for all that you hold dear to you, please use your head. Use common sense. Listen to your gut.

Sorry for the rant. But my internal conscience is sounding alarms like CRAZY. Something is “off” about ALL of this.
COVID can make you sick. COVID can kill you. I got some more bad news. So can the flu. So can Ebola. So can salmonella. So can texting and driving. So can overdosing. So can murder. So can old age.
Father Time is still the reining undisputed undefeated champion. It sucks when we lose someone. But we ALL go. Some go WAY to early. Some make a long run of it.
We ALL get sick in our lives from something. Most of us recover from these illnesses. Some don’t, though, unfortunately.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take some Beyond Tangy Tangerine. Or clean multivitamins and minerals. Exercise. Keep your immune system up and functioning properly. This will help you more against COVID and other diseases more than ANY shot can.

Stay safe, Steeler Nation.
And BE VIGILANT!


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[oneforthebus]

Yes, the death rate of Ebola is much higher, but it is far less contagious. If 50% of 400 people die, 200 people die. If 1% of 300 million people die, 3 million people die.

Not sure why some people can't grasp that math.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of people have taken the vaccine and none of them have died. But that's what we're supposed to be more afraid of? Ok.