Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

There are people in this thread saying it has a 99% survival rate, maybe you should call them out for their "dangerous" statements as well. Like I said, I haven't seen the data in awhile. Do you have a link to your figures? I'd like to check them out. I've already acknowledged it's not that deadly in most people.

And you keep ignoring the fact that it isn't just about death, it's about illness, hospitalization, ICU admission, and reports of lingering effects, none of which I'm anxious to experience.

Once again, the death rate from measles is extremely low. It can cause pneumonia, encephalitis, deafness, and birth defects, so even though it is rare for someone to die of measles, there is still plenty of value in preventing measles from occurring if we can.

The data is all over the net. CDC reports it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:<br><br>0-19 99.997%<br>20-49 99.98%<br>50-69 99.5%<br>70+ 94.6%<br><br>Didn't see it reported much.<a href="https://t.co/miFbqyb9pM">https://t.co/miFbqyb9pM</a></p>— Adam Creighton (@Adam_Creighton) <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Creighton/status/1308652790823051264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89750

A recent medRxiv preprint concluded that the relationship between infection fatality rate and age may be exponential. The researchers found that the age-specific infection fatality rate was extremely low among children and young adults, measuring 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at 25. However, the rate progressively increased with age, growing from 0.4% at 55 to around 15% at 85.

Regarding ignoring the fact that it isn't just about death...I'm not sure I've ever, on this forum, discussed the long term effects of COVID. I'm neither agreeing with or disagreeing with that premise. It may have long term effects. I'm of the mindset it's too early to know what those effects are going to be. It's simply not a topic I've decided to weigh in on.

 

[oneforthebus]

The data is all over the net. CDC reports it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The US govt last week updated the survival rates (i.e., IF infected) for Covid19:<br><br>0-19 99.997%<br>20-49 99.98%<br>50-69 99.5%<br>70+ 94.6%<br><br>Didn't see it reported much.<a href="https://t.co/miFbqyb9pM">https://t.co/miFbqyb9pM</a></p>— Adam Creighton (@Adam_Creighton) <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Creighton/status/1308652790823051264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89750



Regarding ignoring the fact that it isn't just about death...I'm not sure I've ever, on this forum, discussed the long term effects of COVID. I'm neither agreeing with or disagreeing with that premise. It may have long term effects. I'm of the mindset it's too early to know what those effects are going to be. It's simply not a topic I've decided to weigh in on.

I'm not seeing the overall death rate in those figures. Do you have a source for that? I can't seem to find it anywhere but last time I saw it, it was a 99.4% survival rate overall.

I mean 5.4% of those over 70 is pretty high, right? How does that average out overall?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200901/what-changing-death-rates-tell-us-about-covid

 

[Hypocycloids]

why dont we test the vaccine on those of society with ill-repute, vermin, scum, those who offer the world nothing but consume as much as possible - the low-lifes, dregs of society, the gum smear on the bottom of your shoe, the scent wafting from a wastewater treatment facility, hopeless causes, derelicts... OGRE.

You mean democrats?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I'm not seeing the overall death rate in those figures. Do you have a source for that? I can't seem to find it anywhere but last time I saw it, it was a 99.4% survival rate overall.

I mean 5.4% of those over 70 is pretty high, right? How does that average out overall?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200901/what-changing-death-rates-tell-us-about-covid

There isn't "one" measure that I have seen that anyone will agree upon. It varies internationally, it varies on calculation methods, it varies on the countless ways different locales and countries calculate IFRs.

This article talks about why none of us have a "single" number we can rely upon. That's why I reference the CDC's actual numbers posted above.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...avirus-what-this-study-found/?sh=7fd813415c46

Fact still remains and is my point of view on the subject. It is highly deadly for the elderly. For those of us retirement age and below, we should be going about our business as usual, unless we have comorbidities or other that preclude us from working and keeping this nation aflot because it's well below 0.5%, 0.6% etc for that bracket 65 and below.

https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/

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[Stoney]

Its a wonder anyone believes anything anymore.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/texas-hospital-appears-to-give-worker-fake-covid-19-vaccine/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1P_74oxodOaQGlHMzqdLUhNFV76Rl_a_jaXJDxxvWqVDA_iwzLXfLCew4

A Texas hospital is under fire after eagle-eyed viewers claimed the COVID vaccine healthcare workers received on TV appeared to be fake.

Camera crews were invited to the University Medical Center of El Paso to capture five of its front-line workers get the coveted coronavirus vaccine on Tuesday.

Videos on social media showing paramedic Ricardo Martinez getting the supposed shot raised concerns among skeptical viewers who noticed that the syringe was already pushed down.

“Clearly that syringe was EMPTY and the plunger was already down. Where’s the bandaid? Yeah, nice try! We are not fooled!” Facebook user Barbara Siira wrote.

“Syringe is empty, the guy didn’t push the syringe at all, bad acting,” viewer Aaron Isaac Hernandez wrote.

“Just for show. I’m definitely not taking this now,” wrote another Facebook user.

 

[Confluence]

So there is a new strain of Novel Covid 19 that is apparently emerging in UK over the past short while......which probably would make the vaccines far less effective than hoped for.

Or maybe, like the annual flu vaccines, a best guess by epidemiologists is good enough to suggest the population subject itself to an untested (by normal drug rules) version that may be almost right?

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[Tim Steelersfan]

Its a wonder anyone believes anything anymore.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/texas-hospital-appears-to-give-worker-fake-covid-19-vaccine/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1P_74oxodOaQGlHMzqdLUhNFV76Rl_a_jaXJDxxvWqVDA_iwzLXfLCew4

I certainly don't.

2020 has destroyed much of the remaining faith I had in:
- Our media and I mean all of it
- Our Government - Federal, State and Local levels
- Our Health Care "leaders"

Every single one of those groups has outright lied to and deceived us in one way or another, or in some cases like the media in thousands of ways.

My Local Government has been caught in politically-driven lies, my state has and our Federal Government has perpetually been caught in lying to her people this year and for decades on end.

This year, the Health care leaders have outright intentionally lied at times. Much of the time they've simply been mistaken due to lack of knowledge. Regardless we've been told everything from don't wear a mask to farts spread COVID to COVID can live on cardboard for 2 weeks to asymptomatic carriers are super spreaders, all false.

Our leaders at all levels hypocritically demanded we follow draconian actions they won't.

It's quite literally difficult for me to believe anything any more from any of them.

 

[Sarge]

Our leaders at all levels hypocritically demanded we follow draconian actions they won't.

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Dr. Birx, come on down!! And yet people still don't understand.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...its-highlight-pandemic-safety-perils-n1251889

 

[Sarge]

And here's this gem from governor wolfe and one of his crony's about masks as political theatre.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...KmWK3VxSf7Nmsj39Wo_sVi3vAymJ13AIPrSEuZobkgFTY

We are getting played. Bigly.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Dr. Birx, come on down!! And yet people still don't understand.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...its-highlight-pandemic-safety-perils-n1251889

Infuriating. Birx and Fauci have stood at that podium and lectured us all year. She tells us all not to travel for Thanksgiving or for Christmas while she vacations in Delaware with 3 generations of her family.

Per the article, me having my college son home for 3.5 weeks violates their dictate and he shouldn't be considered a part of my family unit, I shouldn't have neighbors over...yet they fly, they vacation, they aggregate their families together.

Tell ya what...when they stop taking pay, when they sequester, when they stop flying, when they stop being caught in public without a mask, I may listen. Till then they can **** right off.

 

[Sarge]

Whoopi seems to think DOCTOR Jill Biden would make a fantastic Surgeon General.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...-whoopi-pitches-jill-biden-as-surgeon-general

“I’m hoping Dr. Jill becomes the surgeon general, his wife.”
“Joe Biden’s wife. She would never do it but, yeah, she’s a hell of a doctor. She’s an amazing doctor,” she went on, earning some scattered applause from the audience.

 

[Sarge]

Infuriating. Birx and Fauci have stood at that podium and lectured us all year. She tells us all not to travel for Thanksgiving or for Christmas while she vacations in Delaware with 3 generations of her family.

Per the article, me having my college son home for 3.5 weeks violates their dictate and he shouldn't be considered a part of my family unit, I shouldn't have neighbors over...yet they fly, they vacation, they aggregate their families together.

Tell ya what...when they stop taking pay, when they sequester, when they stop flying, when they stop being caught in public without a mask, I may listen. Till then they can **** right off.

And that's just it. It's not just one or two. A LOT of them are getting busted doing this ****. And none are held to account. Something is way off here. If this **** is so serious, some highly placed people don't seem real worried about it, other than using it as an excuse to abuse their power.

 

[IndySteel]

We are getting played. Bigly.

Yes we are.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Yes we are.

Money towards unemployment and businesses (which wouldn't be needed if the imbeciles that keep shutting things down would allow every citizen the freedom to make their own choices.) People think that pay day loans are a rip-off. Just wait an see how much these "loans" from the government cost every single working citizen to pay back over the next 50 years. The sheer stupidity of people that think they are getting "free money" from the government is just nauseating.

 

[FSF]

82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

50% of the time it’s true 85% of the time


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[FSF]

all you ******* saying you'll get it - head on a swivel. "Vice President elect" Kuntala Harris said she will be "first in line". Wear some shoulder pads and bring a soft springy gym mat to fall onto in case she knocks you down rushing to the front.

The same ***** that said she wouldn’t take it in the debate which Pence shredded her


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[Ron Burgundy]

50% of the time it’s true 85% of the time

 

[jitter77]

The same ***** that said she wouldn’t take it in the debate which Pence shredded her


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That is not what she said exactly. Here is her quote "If Dr. Fauci, the doctors, tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it," Harris said at the vice presidential debate.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I find it interesting that all the negative reaction to the shot that the news is reporting “they have serious” other issues and that’s why. Hmmm

 

[Confluence]

Yes we are.

The money is going to global warming because it is the biggest global threat

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[Stoney]

That is not what she said exactly. Here is her quote "If Dr. Fauci, the doctors, tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it," Harris said at the vice presidential debate.

Well both Donald Trump and Dr. Fauci are telling her to take it. So whats a ***** to do in that situation?

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

I'm not seeing the overall death rate in those figures. Do you have a source for that? I can't seem to find it anywhere but last time I saw it, it was a 99.4% survival rate overall.

I mean 5.4% of those over 70 is pretty high, right? How does that average out overall?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200901/what-changing-death-rates-tell-us-about-covid

Is it really pretty high? What's the average mortality rate of people over 70 in the absence of Covid-19? Which geographic regions are included in that figure? Is that 5.4% death rate including countries where life expectancies aren't far above 70 (or possibly even below 70)? Or put another way, how far removed is a 5.4% mortality rate from Covid-19 from normal mortality for 70+ year olds? Without having a context and a normal to compare to statistics mean nothing.

 

[Confluence]

Is it really pretty high? What's the average mortality rate of people over 70 in the absence of Covid-19? Which geographic regions are included in that figure? Is that 5.4% death rate including countries where life expectancies aren't far above 70 (or possibly even below 70)? Or put another way, how far removed is a 5.4% mortality rate from Covid-19 from normal mortality for 70+ year olds? Without having a context and a normal to compare to statistics mean nothing.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm



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[jitter77]

I got the first vaccine shot yesterday. Arm got sore few hours later then got extremely fatigued and couldn't stay awake after work. Today i just feel super drained. Other staff were having symptoms and several residents had varying symptoms. Second dose should be interesting

 

[Sarge]

Got the first shot in the series yesterday. It was the Pfizer vaccine. Sore arm, but no other side effects to this point.