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Covid Vaccine

oneforthebus said:
That's not quite true...Mrna technology has been studied for along time but illnesses these vaccines were being developed for (SARS, MERS, zika) were not as contagious as Covid 19 and mostly died out on their own. Investment in research and development of a drug dries up when it's no longer needed and progress is stopped before clinical trials begin. That doesn't mean the technology was unsuccessful. It takes about a billion dollars to bring a new drug to market so if there is no market for the drug, it doesn't get the investment dollars it needs.

Your theory seems to be that pharma companies are evil and just lying about the safety and efficacy of these vaccines to make money. Knowing people personally who are involved in this industry and in the development of these vaccines I don't believe that, but I know I won't convince people who want to believe that.

And you're right, we don't know the long term effects of either but due to the nature of vaccines and how they work, long term effects from vaccines in general are very rare. They are generally anaphylactic reactions or auto-immune issues that show up early on. And we know that in clinical trials incidence of these were very rare, mostly treatable, and not statistically that much different from the placebo group.

We are over a year into covid infections and know that many people still have effects from it. How long those effects will persist, we don't know. That's true.
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In their own words, Moderna's Chief Medical Officer said they are "hacking the software of life." At the very least he's a moron when it comes to public relations.

Uh, no thanks. Too many unanswered questions. We aren't God.

For that matter, Covid was the right virus at the right time for all of this technology and its powerful surrogates and vested interests in the private and public sector.

The Medical-Industrial-Administrative Complex.

Coincidence? I think not. Not going to go along with the program. Sorry.
 
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SojournerSteel said:
In their own words, Moderna's Chief Medical Officer said they are "hacking the software of life." At the very least he's a moron when it comes to public relations.

Uh, no thanks. Too many unanswered questions. We aren't God.

For that matter, Covid was the right virus at the right time for all of this technology and its powerful surrogates and vested interests in the private and public sector.

The Medical-Industrial-Administrative Complex.

Coincidence? I think not. Not going to go along with the program. Sorry.
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So where do you draw the line at not being God? Medical science has improved American life expectancy from around age 40 to age 80 in about 160 years. Oh the horror! We should go back to the good old days where we just let **** happen I guess.
 
oneforthebus said:
So where do you draw the line at not being God? Medical science has improved American life expectancy from around age 40 to age 80 in about 160 years. Oh the horror! We should go back to the good old days where we just let **** happen I guess.
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Humans never seem to take a step backwards and ask the question, "should we" but rather impose the question "can we" instead. We are making technological gains by the week where it used to take us years. Humans aren't aiming to be God, they're creating one by the day.
 
Badcat said:
Humans never seem to take a step backwards and ask the question, "should we" but rather impose the question "can we" instead. We are making technological gains by the week where it used to take us years. Humans aren't aiming to be God, they're creating one by the day.
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Should we what...prevent serious illness, suffering and death? God gave us the tools and the minds to do that. I think he wants us to.
 
oneforthebus said:
Should we what...prevent serious illness, suffering and death? God gave us the tools and the minds to do that. I think he wants us to.
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No disrespect OFTB, but God gave us the ability to murder as well and I believe he made a Commandment about that. But since you brought up God, and since we're made in his image, do you think He really wants us to meddle with our genetics? I digress, we'll really take this thread off track. lol

My point is that Humans are creating machine learning via artificial intelligence, should we be doing that? What about CRISPR/Cas9 gene "therapy" to supposedly cure disease, should we? Where does that path lead and what is the cost if it veers off of that path? Inevitably, the evil in this world finds a sinister application for even the best of intentions, and weaponizing gene therapies or AI is one scary *** thought. I don't want SKYNET and I sure as Hell don't want to have to fight the Winter Soldier. :LOL:
 
Fully vaccinated fuckup Bill Maher just tested positive for kung flu.
 
We're all going in the dirt. Nothing is stopping that.No about of money, knowledge or vaccines will stop that.. Good health is just the slowest rate in which you die.Something will end you. That day and time is already set and very will few die peacefully in their sleep at 96.


Don't sweat it.
 
Badcat said:
Humans never seem to take a step backwards and ask the question, "should we" but rather impose the question "can we" instead. We are making technological gains by the week where it used to take us years. Humans aren't aiming to be God, they're creating one by the day.
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This scene seems like they could be discussing vaccines

 
oneforthebus said:
So where do you draw the line at not being God? Medical science has improved American life expectancy from around age 40 to age 80 in about 160 years. Oh the horror! We should go back to the good old days where we just let **** happen I guess.
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"Hacking the software of life" sounds pretty ripe for unintended consequences? You don't know what "you don't know." How about some longitudinal studies before we inject 300 million people -- 99.5% of whom would not die from Covid?

Here's where you are off base, IMO: The burden of proof is not on me to show that this experimental vaccine that will make billions of dollars for Big Pharma and consolidate government control over our lives is ultimately safe for the long term. The burden is on those foisting it on us.

They have not met that burden of proof proportional to the degree to which they want to compel me to take it. It's a cultish propaganda campaign using fear to drive the herd to mass vaccinations.

"Papers, please."

In 1978 there was a massive smallpox vaccination campaign in Africa, Haiti, and Brazil among other places by the WHO. Just sayin', some other things started happening in those places about 2-3 years later and in NY and SF where the CDC had conducted experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials for promiscuous homosexuals in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Remember the initial cover story about the origins of HIV? That it came from Rhesus monkeys? How did it spontaneously erupt in Africa, Brazil, Haiti, NY, and SF -- following the same incubation schedule for the most part and separated by oceans -- among one massive group of African ancestry and another largely white subculture of promiscuous homosexuals where it was first called GRID? Basically a designer depopulation bioweapon that would target undesirables. In any war there is collateral damage like Ryan White, but that last End of Days virus did as intended did it not? Just like this one seems to target only the weakest of the herd with a relatively few Ryan White exceptions?

I wonder what the vehicle of delivery was to seed HIV in Africa, Brazil, Haiti, NY, and SF? I have my suspicions. I don't there were enough people flying on the Concord between timbuktu and Port-Au-Prince to do it by conventional, accidental history means.

Crazy talk, right? Well? Seems much more plausible or speculative than the original government conspiracy theory that this came from Rhesus Monkeys?

And lookee here? Young Fauci cut his teeth in HIV deceptions at the NIH and learned his 'craft well, didn't he?

Remember AZT? The first big breakthrough in treating HIV? Didn't they tell us it was safe? How did that go for subjects of the experiment? Now? We're blinded by slick propaganda like "95% effective in experimental trials." As if that is "end of story."

There was a bioweapons "Cold War" and "arms race" just like nuclear and Conventional. Don't think this didn't come from the same origins and the medical research complex of friend or foe -- in this case a Wuhan lab. So, why should I trust these same liars who created the problem to now provide the safe "solution?"

So, it just comes down to worldview at this point. The burden of proof is on them at this point after the way other things such as 1976 Swine Flu and Persian Gulf War Syndrome were handled.

Rest assured, when people DO start reporting mysterious health issues they will be on their own as history suggests and waivers attest.
 
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Troglodyte said:
And he’s asymptomatic, as were 7 of the 8 Yankees that tested positive. That is the vaccine working.
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Unpossible. You assured us that the Chinese flu has a 99.99999% mortality rate. Trump is the only documented survivor of the Chinese flu.

Stop spreading misinformation, you freeloading imbecile.
 
Last I looked over 34% of the entire population in florida have been fully stuck. Another big chunk of 8-10 million with at least 1 shot.

My folks got stuck. We're going to pass for now.
 
Troglodyte said:
No. A vaccine trains the immune system to create antibodies to defeat a virus so a person never becomes symptomatic.
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Defeat doesn't mean cure? You are describing something that just limits symptoms, like over the counter cold meds. You can still get it, still possibly get sick from it (as apparently 1 of the vaccinated yankees did), and still pass it to others. Wow, sounds super effective.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Defeat doesn't mean cure? You are describing something that just limits symptoms, like over the counter cold meds. You can still get it, still possibly get sick from it (as apparently 1 of the vaccinated yankees did), and still pass it to others. Wow, sounds super effective.
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It’s obviously super effective. The few states that are seeing increases in cases (AL, MS, LA) are those with the lowest vaccination rates.
 
Badcat said:
No disrespect OFTB, but God gave us the ability to murder as well and I believe he made a Commandment about that. But since you brought up God, and since we're made in his image, do you think He really wants us to meddle with our genetics? I digress, we'll really take this thread off track. lol

My point is that Humans are creating machine learning via artificial intelligence, should we be doing that? What about CRISPR/Cas9 gene "therapy" to supposedly cure disease, should we? Where does that path lead and what is the cost if it veers off of that path? Inevitably, the evil in this world finds a sinister application for even the best of intentions, and weaponizing gene therapies or AI is one scary *** thought. I don't want SKYNET and I sure as Hell don't want to have to fight the Winter Soldier. :LOL:
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If you had a child with cancer or a potentially fatal genetic disease you might feel a bit differently about gene therapy.

Like my close friend who hopes their 20 year old lives long enough with his cystic fibrosis that a gene therapy for his specific mutation is found. Tens of thousands of CF patients have already been saved with gene therapies.

Gene therapy isn't done for ***** and grins, it's to save lives.
 
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