Covid Vaccine

[ZonaBurgh]

Just to be clear, if you're over 45. and especially with comorbidities, getting the vaccine is likely a good idea.

However, if you are a healthy 25 year old the risk/benefit of the vaccine leans toward risk, because science.

 

[Troglodyte]

Just to be clear, if you're over 45. and especially with comorbidities, getting the vaccine is likely a good idea.

However, if you are a healthy 25 year old the risk/benefit of the vaccine leans toward risk, because science.

What science? The science I hear is that 70/1,000,000 develop myocarditis, 88% of which fully recover.

I don’t know any young people that developed myocarditis after vaccination, I DO know a 16 year-old that developed a leaky heart valve after contracting Covid.

 

[Tibs]

so what's the problem?

Nobody in their right mind wants to hang out & work with people potentially carrying a highly-contagious & deadly virus. All because they're too stupid, stubborn and selfish to get vaccinated.

No jab, no job, no pay. Easy does it. The NFL finally got something right. All places of work nationwide should adopt the same measures.

 

[Badcat]

Nobody in their right mind wants to hang out & work with people potentially carrying a highly-contagious & deadly virus. All because they're too stupid, stubborn and selfish to get vaccinated.

No jab, no job, no pay. Easy does it. The NFL finally got something right. All places of work nationwide should adopt the same measures.

Why not? You're vaccinated right? There is no risk to you, correct? Those who aren't vaccinated do so willingly and take all of the risk. You're point is completely illogical.

 

[Sarge]

Nobody in their right mind wants to hang out & work with people potentially carrying a highly-contagious & deadly virus. All because they're too stupid, stubborn and selfish to get vaccinated.

No jab, no job, no pay. Easy does it. The NFL finally got something right. All places of work nationwide should adopt the same measures.

I don't know if I can agree that it's highly contagious. There's been a little over 34 million cases of Covid in the US. About 11% of the population. For something so highly contagious, you'd think that after 18 months that number would be much, much higher.

After some of the **** our government has done and continues to do to people, I can't blame anyone that doesn't want an injection just because the government says so. Our government should consider proving itself trustworthy in the eyes of all Americans, rather than those associated with the party of power.

 

[Tibs]

Why not? You're vaccinated right? There is no risk to you, correct? Those who aren't vaccinated do so willingly and take all of the risk. You're point is completely illogical.

It's a risk to the business. Why keep a high-risk employee around who can disrupt your team or operations, due to their own negligence? No jab, no job, no pay. Simple solution, weed out the outliers, keep the motor humming.

 

[steel dino]

It's a risk to the business. Why keep a high-risk employee around who can disrupt your team or operations, due to their own negligence? No jab, no job, no pay. Simple solution, weed out the outliers, keep the motor humming.

Then all vaccinations offered should be required for all employees then....cant just pick and choose which one...right?

Is that what your proposing?

If so...no business will find enough "qualified" employees.

Now That would be a disruption to operations.

 

[Badcat]

It's a risk to the business. Why keep a high-risk employee around who can disrupt your team or operations, due to their own negligence? No jab, no job, no pay. Simple solution, weed out the outliers, keep the motor humming.

What risk is there to the business? Workers are replaceable and those who don't die of their own negligence, as you put it, take sick days just like they do for any other illness. I hate to break it to you, there is a HUGE worker shortage in the US right now. I believe there is about 30-40% of people are not vaccinated and you're okay with telling them to **** off and stay home if they choose to not get a vaccine? Really?

 

[Tibs]

Of course I'm overstating this to make a point. Just don't understand why a free & easy vaccine is causing such heartache for so many tormented souls.

Private businesses should do as they please, such as the NFL is doing. Of course I wouldn't regulate anything on the Federal or State level, but any business owner should be allowed to make their own determinations on this, as they're surely doing.

 

[Badcat]

Of course I'm overstating this to make a point. Just don't understand why a free & easy vaccine is causing such heartache for so many tormented souls.

Private businesses should do as they please, such as the NFL is doing. Of course I wouldn't regulate anything on the Federal or State level, but any business owner should be allowed to make their own determinations on this, as they're surely doing.

Because it's experimental and you're now going to force someone to have to make a life changing decision. Keep my job or risk exposing myself to permanent damage or death. BTW, I do agree with you that private businesses should be allowed to set their own policies, but shouldn't the rules of discrimination also apply in this regard in terms of health? I've never had to disclose my medical history to a potential employer and we're setting a precedent on disclosing medical information to gain or keep employment. Like it or not, discrimination occurs in the work place whether it's age, sex, etc. I've even not hired a man because he was so overweight that climbing a set of stairs caused him to have to stop half way to catch his breath. Was it wrong? Yes! But I was hiring someone to install equipment all over a work campus and he wasn't physically capable. What if an employer discovers you have aids, or ALS, or any other type of disease? It's a dangerous precedent

 

[Superman]

Of course I'm overstating this to make a point. Just don't understand why a free & easy vaccine is causing such heartache for so many tormented souls.

Private businesses should do as they please, such as the NFL is doing. Of course I wouldn't regulate anything on the Federal or State level, but any business owner should be allowed to make their own determinations on this, as they're surely doing.

It's a risk to the business. Why keep a high-risk employee around who can disrupt your team or operations, due to their own negligence? No jab, no job, no pay. Simple solution, weed out the outliers, keep the motor humming.

thing is, Tiborat, an employer CAN ask.
there is, however, zero responsibility for the employee to respond. that is no answer is required. none. not a yes, not a no. no response from the employee is necessary. so then what - fire the employee? what if the employee did have the jabby jab stabby stab, but did not want to divulge private medical history, but the employer found out after the fact? sets bad precedent and destroys workplace morale.

however, there are a few places I could understand this being acceptable. Restaurants and medical facilities. Those places mix with the general public more than say a CPA, Programmer, Analyst, or online sales rep.

 

[Troglodyte]

I don't know if I can agree that it's highly contagious. There's been a little over 34 million cases of Covid in the US. About 11% of the population. For something so highly contagious, you'd think that after 18 months that number would be much, much higher.

After some of the **** our government has done and continues to do to people, I can't blame anyone that doesn't want an injection just because the government says so. Our government should consider proving itself trustworthy in the eyes of all Americans, rather than those associated with the party of power.

I haven’t seen any qualified person question Covid’s contagiousness. The 34 million is confirmed cases, it’s widely speculated that there could be multiple times more unconfirmed cases - and that is after massive mitigation efforts.

 

[Troglodyte]

Why not? You're vaccinated right? There is no risk to you, correct? Those who aren't vaccinated do so willingly and take all of the risk. You're point is completely illogical.

The vaccine is 90% effective, not 100% effective, so there is still some risk to vaccinated people.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

What science? The science I hear is that 70/1,000,000 develop myocarditis, 88% of which fully recover.

I don’t know any young people that developed myocarditis after vaccination, I DO know a 16 year-old that developed a leaky heart valve after contracting Covid.

I'll type slowly, the risk/benefit ratio for young healthy adults does not warrant mandatory vaccinations for them.

The science comes from the CDC. Also you may want to look at the healthy teenager that died from myocarditis after his second dose.

But because it's apparent that your opinion is that healthy teenagers and young adults should be vaccinated, what would the benefit be to them?

 

[Superman]

90% effective against a virus with a 98% survivability rate anyway.

that's like buying gap insurance on a used '93 Plymouth leaking oil and a busted radiator with a monthly payment of $39 after you financed it for a solid 12 months.

 

[fedderone]

If you haven't already, I implore EVERYONE to listen to the most recent Joe Rogan podcast.
Episode #1671.
Guests are Bret Weinstein and Pierre Kory.
They discuss using Ivermectin both as a preventative medicine to COVID and as a treatment for COVID.
It is fascinating and they have all kinds of studies and case studies.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Then all vaccinations offered should be required for all employees then....cant just pick and choose which one...right?

Is that what your proposing?

If so...no business will find enough "qualified" employees.

Now That would be a disruption to operations.

Rubeola and varicella, to name a few, are extremely infectious, and can be fatal to adults, yet employees aren't required to be vaccinated for these if they don't have acquired immunity.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

it’s widely speculated that there could be multiple times more unconfirmed cases

When Conservatives talked about the # of antibodies that were likely out there a year ago, when herd immunity was discussed a month ago...we would point to the number of unconfirmed cases. How they were likely 2-3X higher than confirmed cases.

You..YOU...and the rest of the Left told us we were Conspiracy theorists.

Now you want to admit there could be multiple times more unconfirmed cases.

Hypocrisy fits you like a tailored suit.

 

[hamster]

I work in an office environment, and have been back fulltime since last September. Many of my colleagues still work remotely, with little consequence. With MS Teams, teleconferencing makes things easy. Sometimes I think it is actually an improvement

The policy up till now has been to wear a mask when you leave your desk. Practice social distancing. Now with the new relaxing on masks, if you show them your vax card, you are no longer required to wear a mask. There is no requirement to get a vax. I think it is fair.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I work in an office environment, and have been back fulltime since last September. Many of my colleagues still work remotely, with little consequence. With MS Teams, teleconferencing makes things easy. Sometimes I think it is actually an improvement

The policy up till now has been to wear a mask when you leave your desk. Practice social distancing. Now with the new relaxing on masks, if you show them your vax card, you are no longer required to wear a mask. There is no requirement to get a vax. I think it is fair.

I hear you, I just don't fully agree with the "wear a mask if you don't have the vax" approach. Because of logic. Why?

If you have had COVID or the vax, you're protected. The unvaccinated person wearing the mask isn't protecting you by wearing one, in 99.99% of instances. So what is the "logic" behind dictating the unvaxed wear the mask? To protect those already protected? Not logical.

Unvaccinated people are assuming risk, vaccinated people have addressed the risk.

The mask wearing appears to be, logically speaking, pointless. As they say, the mask doesn't prevent you GETTING COVID, it's supposed to prevent you spreading it. You can't spread it to someone vaccinated/previously infected except in the most extraordinarily rare instances.

Now if you have multiple unvaxed people at work and from a liability standpoint you want to prevent them spreading it to each other, I guess a point can be made.

Finally, given we are at a point where we have 200 deaths a day in the US from COVID (and dropping) and over 7K die per day in the US....what is the real risk? The disease is now very treatable, it's not nearly as lethal as it was before. So we should treat it as such.

I'm not arguing with you. I just believe we all need to get back to where we were prior...like assuming risk with flu, inhaling second hand smoke at a bar, driving cars. We should be dropping masking and vax mandates and getting on with life and let mankind live their lives while our bodies collectively develop immunities.

Otherwise, going forward, every new strain of flu, cold, or virus is going to lead to these over-reaches and power grabs.

 

[Troglodyte]

I'll type slowly, the risk/benefit ratio for young healthy adults does not warrant mandatory vaccinations for them.

The science comes from the CDC. Also you may want to look at the healthy teenager that died from myocarditis after his second dose.

But because it's apparent that your opinion is that healthy teenagers and young adults should be vaccinated, what would the benefit be to them?

“Type slowly” LOL! Think about that…

The CDC is recommending young people get vaccinated so, again, what science?

The benefit is the same as the benefit to everyone else and isn’t exclusive to the vaccinated person.

 

[Troglodyte]

When Conservatives talked about the # of antibodies that were likely out there a year ago, when herd immunity was discussed a month ago...we would point to the number of unconfirmed cases. How they were likely 2-3X higher than confirmed cases.

You..YOU...and the rest of the Left told us we were Conspiracy theorists.

Now you want to admit there could be multiple times more unconfirmed cases.

Hypocrisy fits you like a tailored suit.

No, Tim. 2-3X is 22-33% of the population and that isn’t nearly enough for herd immunity even if they all still have antibodies.

BTW, I see Supe posted an article a while back where multiple doctors said vaccination was superior to natural immunity. Imagine that!

 

[Badcat]

“Type slowly” LOL! Think about that…

The CDC is recommending young people get vaccinated so, again, what science?

The benefit is the same as the benefit to everyone else and isn’t exclusive to the vaccinated person.

You're Mother told you that you were special, and you obviously didn't understand what she meant.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No, Tim. 2-3X is 22-33% of the population and that isn’t nearly enough for herd immunity even if they all still have antibodies.

BTW, I see Supe posted an article a while back where multiple doctors said vaccination was superior to natural immunity. Imagine that!

Once again you misunderstand the basic point. A year ago, people were rationally pointing out that there were those infected PLUS those who had the antibodies. Some studies, like Santa Clara, estimated that 20X the number of infected had the antibodies.

Anytime any sane person pointed to natural immunity and that at least double the number of infected ALSO had the antibodies, you all would scoff at and ridicule that notion.

Now you are using the same argument to justify a different claim - acknowledging there are countless others out there who had COVID that weren't tested.

You can't make the **** up.

I don't know what Supe posted, but as you know I track this **** almost daily. With literally each passing day, more and more studies show that those infected are likely to have LIFE immunity or close to it and many of those studies are showing it to be greater than the vax.

Prove me wrong and for once provide an ounce of evidence to support your incessant baseless inaccurate claims.

 

[JMM]

so what's the problem? if that's true then it must mean the vaccine works so if you get the poke, you're safe and if you don't then you are taking a personal risk.

Just think of it like assisted suicide if it makes you feel better. Your programming says you are in favor of assisted suicide so it should be all good.

Hey I'm as conservative as the day is long but I'm for assisted euthanasia. I've seen my Dad and Stepdad go down that terminal road to finally perish from starving/dehydration and basically drowning in a hospital bed... We treat our pets more humanely than people.