Covid Vaccine

[Steelworth]

The fact that Covid still spread despite mask mandates proves they didn’t work. Absurd argument #3.

How could you go against the demagogue of whose boots you lick like that?

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

He added: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."

- Anthony Fauci

There are so many other examples of masks essentially being ineffective, but let's just start there.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You’re using the wrong denominator. How many people ages 0-17 had Covid? Maybe 20 million? So it’s 324/20 million. Compare that to how many people ages 0-17 have died after getting a Covid vaccine vs. how many got the vaccine. What’s profoundly dangerous?

The amount of stupid in this post is astonishing even for you.

If only 320 people died in that age group, logic dictates...no mathematics establishes...the virus was not at all dangerous to that age group. In fact, the more of them that had it only increases the logic of that argument.

COVID was less deadly to that age group than underage drinking, which kills approximately 5,000 teens a year.

Underage drinking is FAR more deadly to teens than COVID.

So the "scientists" claim they ALL need vaccinated when we know, for a fact - an undeniable fact - that the virus doesn't affect that age group in the least.

There is no need for this age group to get vaccinated. Period. Those who are at risk should. The elderly should. And they will be protected.

Vaccinating everyone, even those who don't need it, is dangerous. Especially given these vaccines aren't approved and suffer rising numbers of deaths and side effects as time passes.

 

[Steelworth]

I saw somewhere today where a blue checkmark on Twitter called Covid "the deadliest virus in human history".

There are so many that were worse, but smallpox for example had like a 33% fatality rate.

 

[JMM]

Hey Tim, watch that denouncement of underage drinking. It was almost a sport. You hit the highest high heading out to the car with a twelve pack of Milwaukee's Best or whatever was on sale but remember the walk of shame when carded? It was comparable to hunting.

Plus I was voted the best drunk driver in my class. I drove much better impaired.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I saw somewhere today where a blue checkmark on Twitter called Covid "the deadliest virus in human history".

Are you serious? Have people lost their minds??

The Spanish Flu killed 50Million
Smallpox killed 300Million in the 20th century

Covid has killed less than 4 million.

Deadliest ever? What is it with Liberals just lying and literally trying to re-write history?

 

[JMM]

Are you serious? Have people lost their minds??

The Spanish Flu killed 50Million
Smallpox killed 300Million in the 20th century

Covid has killed less than 4 million.

Deadliest ever? What is it with Liberals just lying and literally trying to re-write history?

They'll do whatever it takes and not think twice about it.

 

[Steelworth]

Are you serious?

Sadly, yes. And Tiborat and FloggedbyFauci probably both nodded in agreement.

 

[JMM]

My arm still hurts. I think I gots the vaccine bursitis. I should never have gone to Walmart for my non approved, emergency use only, experimental JnJ shot. I should have gone to Costco. Oh lawd what the hell was I thinking?

 

[Troglodyte]

The amount of stupid in this post is astonishing even for you.

If only 320 people died in that age group, logic dictates...no mathematics establishes...the virus was not at all dangerous to that age group. In fact, the more of them that had it only increases the logic of that argument.

COVID was less deadly to that age group than underage drinking, which kills approximately 5,000 teens a year.

Underage drinking is FAR more deadly to teens than COVID.

So the "scientists" claim they ALL need vaccinated when we know, for a fact - an undeniable fact - that the virus doesn't affect that age group in the least.

There is no need for this age group to get vaccinated. Period. Those who are at risk should. The elderly should. And they will be protected.

Vaccinating everyone, even those who don't need it, is dangerous. Especially given these vaccines aren't approved and suffer rising numbers of deaths and side effects as time passes.

LOL! Stupid is arguing that mathematics establishes that Covid was not at all dangerous to a certain age group, but that the vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” when you have absolutely no mathematical argument to back it up. Actually, that’s profoundly stupid.

 

[jitter77]

Almost all types of medicine have chances of side effects. For example birth control has a .3 to .9% chance of causing blood clots. That is 3 to 9 out of 10000. If the Covid vaccine had those numbers it would be pulled instantly.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

All medicines have side effects. For example birth control has a .3 to .9% chance of causing blood clots. That is 3 to 9 out of 10000. If the Covid vaccine had those numbers it would be pulled instantly.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

LOL! Stupid is arguing that mathematics establishes that Covid was not at all dangerous to a certain age group, but that the vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” when you have absolutely no mathematical argument to back it up. Actually, that’s profoundly stupid.

You are intentionally obtuse, there's no other explanation.

We know factually COVID isn't dangerous for teenagers. Prove otherwise. The statistics and data show it.

On the other hand, the FDA now has warnings on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines due to heart enlargement issues. Fact.

On another hand, more people have supposedly died from the vaccines (approaching 5K) than died from all other vaccines combined over the past 19 years.

Tell me again why we should vaccinate people that have a 0.000004 chance of dying from COVID?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Almost all types of medicine have chances of side effects. For example birth control has a .3 to .9% chance of causing blood clots. That is 3 to 9 out of 10000. If the Covid vaccine had those numbers it would be pulled instantly.

Speaking of low odds....74.2 million people, those ages 0-18 in the USA, suffered 380 deaths (or 0.000004 of their population).

Do you support pushing every teenager and child to be vaccinated...in the realm of "odds" you are discussing?

I suspect if you calculated it, someone 0-18 has a higher chance of succumbing to the vaxes than they do to COVID. Prove me wrong.

 

[hamster]

For the record, My 14yo got the first Pfizer jab last Thursday. I thought long and hard about it. It was more for de-masking BS.

That is enough. He will not be getting a 2nd dose.

I expect that to be the CDC protocol in the future.

 

[Steeltime]

It's like arguing with a toddler. Sigh ... let me give it another go:

So your argument is that Covid wasn’t spread at the Rose Garden ceremony, and that everyone there that got it contracted elsewhere, coincidentally around the same time. Absurd argument #1.

Only a dickbag believes that the Magic Covid Bus would hit one out of four, skipping the three in between, in an outdoor setting, where the CDC basically admits it has no evidence that Covid spreads outdoors, and that masks - which won't prevent the spread of the tiny virus particles because the masks are not designed to prevent the spread of a virus that small, particularly where the masks HAVE LARGE GAPS for **** sake - would have had any effect, especially where two of the people who later contracted Covid WERE WEARING THE MASKS YOU SPLOOGE OVER.

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #1.

Despite your lack of medical degrees, TSF and you are right, and highly educated and compensated health officials across the entire world are wrong. Absurd argument #2.

TSF has posted at least six - seven? eight? - peer-reviewed medical articles about the fact ******* cloth masks worn by lay people don't do any good because the virus is too small for the cloth masks to have any goddamn effect. TSF has asked you at least four ******* times TO CITE ONE ******* ARTICLE TO THE CONTRARY and you failed to do so.

So where'd you get your medical degree, and when and where did you publish peer-reviewed data about the supposed effectiveness of cloth masks with gaps worn by lay people have any goddamn effect on the spread of a virus to small to be stopped by these cloth masks?

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #2.

The fact that Covid still spread despite mask mandates proves they didn’t work. Absurd argument #3.

No, imbecile, numerous published studies explaining why cloth ******* masks with gaps and that cannot keep out smoke, which is much larger than the aerosolized Covid virus, prove they don't work.

Idiot.

You might as well argue that any and all precautions for anything and everything don’t work because they don’t completely eliminate whatever it is they’re meant to prevent.

This is a logical fallacy known as "reductio ad absurdum," or reducing an argument to an absurd extreme. Example:

"You think masks don't work, so you want Covid injected into 90 year olds."

Reductio ad Absurdum

A mode of argumentation or a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd conclusion. Arguments which use universals such as, “always”, “never”, “everyone”, “nobody”, etc., are prone to being reduced to absurd conclusions. The...

www.logicallyfallacious.com

It's a stupid argument, and one you make. "You say masks don't work and that any and all precautions for anything and everything don't work." Uhh, no, saying cloth masks with gaps used by lay people don't work to prevent the spread of the Covid virus means we are arguing that cloth masks with gaps used by lay people won't work to prevent the spread of Covid.

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #3.

 

[Steeltime]

Are you serious? Have people lost their minds??

The Spanish Flu killed 50Million
Smallpox killed 300Million in the 20th century

Covid has killed less than 4 million.

Deadliest ever? What is it with Liberals just lying and literally trying to re-write history?

The bubonic plague killed 40% to 50% of Europeans, 70% to 80% of Southern Europeans (Italy, Spain and France), and is estimated to have killed approximately 22% of the planet's total population.

Key Facts • The Black Death • History in Numbers

Read the key facts and figures about the plague that killed millions around the world, the scourge that would become known as the Black Death.

historyinnumbers.com

That would mean the Chinese flu would need to kill approximately 1.6 billion people to compare.

The degree of stupid is deep with the Covid fear-porn followers.

 

[Badcat]

It's like arguing with a toddler. Sigh ... let me give it another go:



Only a dickbag believes that the Magic Covid Bus would hit one out of four, skipping the three in between, in an outdoor setting, where the CDC basically admits it has no evidence that Covid spreads outdoors, and that masks - which won't prevent the spread of the tiny virus particles because the masks are not designed to prevent the spread of a virus that small, particularly where the masks HAVE LARGE GAPS for **** sake - would have had any effect, especially where two of the people who later contracted Covid WERE WEARING THE MASKS YOU SPLOOGE OVER.

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #1.



TSF has posted at least six - seven? eight? - peer-reviewed medical articles about the fact ******* cloth masks worn by lay people don't do any good because the virus is too small for the cloth masks to have any goddamn effect. TSF has asked you at least four ******* times TO CITE ONE ******* ARTICLE TO THE CONTRARY and you failed to do so.

So where'd you get your medical degree, and when and where did you publish peer-reviewed data about the supposed effectiveness of cloth masks with gaps worn by lay people have any goddamn effect on the spread of a virus to small to be stopped by these cloth masks?

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #2.



No, imbecile, numerous published studies explaining why cloth ******* masks with gaps and that cannot keep out smoke, which is much larger than the aerosolized Covid virus, prove they don't work.

Idiot.



This is a logical fallacy known as "reductio ad absurdum," or reducing an argument to an absurd extreme. Example:

"You think masks don't work, so you want Covid injected into 90 year olds."

Reductio ad Absurdum

A mode of argumentation or a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd conclusion. Arguments which use universals such as, “always”, “never”, “everyone”, “nobody”, etc., are prone to being reduced to absurd conclusions. The...

www.logicallyfallacious.com

It's a stupid argument, and one you make. "You say masks don't work and that any and all precautions for anything and everything don't work." Uhh, no, saying cloth masks with gaps used by lay people don't work to prevent the spread of the Covid virus means we are arguing that cloth masks with gaps used by lay people won't work to prevent the spread of Covid.

Refuting stupid Floggy argument #3.

Okay okay....can we lay off of Trog a little here guys? This is just getting embarrassing. Honestly, before I was like all "grrrrrrrrr" with him and now I'm like all "Awe, bless his heart"

 

[Troglodyte]

You are intentionally obtuse, there's no other explanation.

We know factually COVID isn't dangerous for teenagers. Prove otherwise. The statistics and data show it.

On the other hand, the FDA now has warnings on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines due to heart enlargement issues. Fact.

On another hand, more people have supposedly died from the vaccines (approaching 5K) than died from all other vaccines combined over the past 19 years.

Tell me again why we should vaccinate people that have a 0.000004 chance of dying from COVID?

Because each individual vaccination benefits society (the herd), not just the person. It’s about ending a pandemic.

5,000 deaths is for ALL ages - 180 million vaccinated, including 45 million >65 years old. How does that compare to 600,000 Covid deaths?

Your reasoning is based solely on anti-Covid vaccine ideology. Prove me wrong, MATHEMATICALLY. How is the Covid vaccine more dangerous than Covid for any age group?

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Badcat]

How does that compare to 600,000 Covid deaths?

There weren't really 600,000 Covid deaths. When you monetarily incentivize a notation on a death certificate, you are going to get inflated numbers. fact. We don't know the number of actual deaths and we never will. What we do know is that only .02 percent of Covid positive patients die and that number drops to a miniscule number for young kids and young adults. So, WHY RISK HEALTH ISSUES BY RECIEVING AN EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE?

 

[Superman]

Are you serious? Have people lost their minds??

The Spanish Flu killed 50Million
Smallpox killed 300Million in the 20th century

Covid has killed less than 4 million.

Deadliest ever? What is it with Liberals just lying and literally trying to re-write history?

because they want you to believe that we are heading towards a cliff at 250mph in a VW Bug with no brakes. They want you to have faith in their ability to tax and spend our way around the bend. They want you to believe that they can stop the VW from going over the cliff by putting millions of people out of work, importing more people to stand in the way, that your guns and religion will only increase the speed at which the VW Bug hits the cliff and that you're raysiss because you do not have a specified pronoun on your LinkedIn profile.

It's all about control. Worst virus in world history and the Dems solved it by themselves. Have faith in their ability. THEY are smarterer than the average lever puller and button pusher.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Are you serious? Have people lost their minds??

The Spanish Flu killed 50Million
Smallpox killed 300Million in the 20th century

Covid has killed less than 4 million.

Deadliest ever? What is it with Liberals just lying and literally trying to re-write history?

They mean the Delta Covid variant, just you wait.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Because each individual vaccination benefits society (the herd), not just the person. It’s about ending a pandemic.

5,000 deaths is for ALL ages - 180 million vaccinated, including 45 million >65 years old. How does that compare to 600,000 Covid deaths?

Your reasoning is based solely on anti-Covid vaccine ideology. Prove me wrong, MATHEMATICALLY. How is the Covid vaccine more dangerous than Covid for any age group?

Again, you are willfully obtuse. What % of those teens have had COVID? A MASSIVE portion. Like all ideologues on the Left, you intentionally ignore natural immunity. You still insist, unscientifically, that those infected need to be vaccinated. That is anti-science. It's not true. It's a political move.

• The US has had 35 Million cases (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
• The CDC estimates that 1 in 4.3 COVID infections were reported, that means we've had 150,500,000 cases total (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)
• 154Million Americans have been vaccinated. (https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state)

Those are sourced numbers. Worldometers, the CDC, and NPR. Add those numbers up. It IS the US population. There's only one variable and that's the asymptomatic cases. Change it to whatever you want, disagree with the CDC if you'd like.

We are essentially at herd immunity.

The herd doesn't need to put its 74.2Million teens and children at risk by forcing a vaccine on them that won't benefit them OR the herd.



Teenagers have a higher chance of dying from underage drinking and taking the vaccine than they do from getting COVID. Getting COVID means a 0.000004 chance they will die from it. You have a 1 in 15,530 chance (0.00006) of being struck by lightning in your lifetime. LITERALLY, a teen/child is more likely to get hit by lightning than die of COVID.

380 deaths out of 74.2Million, and you all are still panicking, forcing treatment upon them they DO NOT NEED.

Go on, keep preaching with no basis that kids and teens need the vax in the face of all of the data and science. You just keep reinforcing what a moron you are.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

There weren't really 600,000 Covid deaths. When you monetarily incentivize a notation on a death certificate, you are going to get inflated numbers. fact. We don't know the number of actual deaths and we never will. What we do know is that only .02 percent of Covid positive patients die and that number drops to a miniscule number for young kids and young adults. So, WHY RISK HEALTH ISSUES BY RECIEVING AN EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE?

Yep and we are at 10,000 cases a day, less than when all the panic began.

Liberals love control, they fell in love with the epidemic, and they don't want to let go.

 

[Steeltime]

Go on, keep preaching with no basis that kids and teens need the vax in the face of all of the data and science. You just keep reinforcing what a moron you are.

"But, but, but ... Rose Garden! Delta variant!"

Yep and we are at 10,000 cases a day, less than when all the panic began.

Liberals love control, they fell in love with the epidemic, and they don't want to let go.

Anybody who doubts that is not paying attention.

Fully vaccinated liberals are scared to take masks off out of fear of being labeled 'Republican'

"I guess I'm vaccinated so I don't have to wear a mask outside but … I really don't want people to think I'm a Republican," a woman was overheard to say.

thepostmillennial.com

Liberals’ Bizarre Fear of an Unmasked Nation | Ted Rall's Rallblog

During last year’s campaign Joe Biden promised to “listen to the scientists.” He repeatedly said his coronavirus-response policy would be “informed by science and by experts.” On issues from the environment to teaching evolution in public schools to the public health response to the COVID...

rall.com

The Liberals Who Can’t Quit Lockdown

Progressive communities have been home to some of the fiercest battles over COVID-19 policies, and some liberal policy makers have left scientific evidence behind.

www.theatlantic.com