Covid Vaccine

[Superman]

why did they choose to call it the Delta Variant instead of the Democratic Variant?

 

[Steelworth]

Yep and we are at 10,000 cases a day, less than when all the panic began.

Liberals love control, they fell in love with the epidemic, and they don't want to let go.

It's a sickness. Covid has nothing on that type of sickness.

 

[Troglodyte]

Again, you are willfully obtuse. What % of those teens have had COVID? A MASSIVE portion. Like all ideologues on the Left, you intentionally ignore natural immunity. You still insist, unscientifically, that those infected need to be vaccinated. That is anti-science. It's not true. It's a political move.

• The US has had 35 Million cases (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
• The CDC estimates that 1 in 4.3 COVID infections were reported, that means we've had 150,500,000 cases total (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)
• 154Million Americans have been vaccinated. (https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state)

Those are sourced numbers. Worldometers, the CDC, and NPR. Add those numbers up. It IS the US population. There's only one variable and that's the asymptomatic cases. Change it to whatever you want, disagree with the CDC if you'd like.

We are essentially at herd immunity.

The herd doesn't need to put its 74.2Million teens and children at risk by forcing a vaccine on them that won't benefit them OR the herd.

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Teenagers have a higher chance of dying from underage drinking and taking the vaccine than they do from getting COVID. Getting COVID means a 0.000004 chance they will die from it. You have a 1 in 15,530 chance (0.00006) of being struck by lightning in your lifetime. LITERALLY, a teen/child is more likely to get hit by lightning than die of COVID.

380 deaths out of 74.2Million, and you all are still panicking, forcing treatment upon them they DO NOT NEED.

Go on, keep preaching with no basis that kids and teens need the vax in the face of all of the data and science. You just keep reinforcing what a moron you are.

Willfully obtuse is arguing the ONLY reason to get vaccinated is to avoid dying. As if there’s no other downside to getting Covid. 160 million people get the flu vaccine, damn few are primarily concerned about dying from the flu. I’m sure the same is true for Covid.

Again, what science backs up your claim that the Covid vaccine is profoundly dangerous for young people while Covid is not? Have anywhere close to 380 young people died from the vaccine? How do you reconcile your reasoning?

 

[Superman]

its amazing that Dims will wail about Rona killing off a few hundred thousand, but are gleeful about abortions.

 

[Troglodyte]

why did they choose to call it the Delta Variant instead of the Democratic Variant?

They’ll be calling it the Deep South Red State Low Vaccination Rate Darwinism Variant soon enough.

 

[Steelworth]

160 million people get the flu vaccine, damn few are primarily concerned about dying from the flu. I’m sure the same is true for Covid.

Apples and oranges. The flu vaccine has been put through rigorous preclinical & clinical trials for decades, and it's still at 40%-60% efficacy last I checked. Again, I'm not anti-vaccine, but you're equating a vaccine that's gone through a ****-ton of clinical trials forever with an experimental vaccine that's not even FDA approved (only EUA). That means emergency use for the most vulnerable - not healthy ******* kids/teens. Read up on the phases of clinical trials, you apparently need to.

The phases of preclinical and clinical trials

While Profil Germany focuses on phase 1+2 clinical trials, a full understanding of the phases of clinical trials is essential.

www.profil.com

Again, what science backs up your claim that the Covid vaccine is profoundly dangerous for young people while Covid is not?

Um, the fact that the FDA has had to issue a warning about heart inflammation on the damn thing? Show me the numbers of Covid deaths among the under 18 population, and if it's substantial to the point that an experimental vaccine seems necessary, I'll listen.

 

[Superman]

They’ll be calling it the Deep South Blue State Low Vaccination Rate Darwinism Variant soon enough.

incredible. really?

uh, as has been shown before, this emanated from and was more drastic in NY and NJ. Commiefornia STILL leads in deaths from Rona, btw. Three of the top 5 states for most Rona deaths are Liberal. How goddamned interesting, right? In fact, if you want to look at the top 10 states for KungFlu deaths, only THREE are in the "Deep South Blue". Want to guess how many of the Liberal mask-mandated states comprise the top 10? Probably not, but its five. That's half, and I'm only telling you that since it has been proven time and time again that you're awful at math. Another interesting factoid is that EIGHT of the top 15 states in death tolls are mask-mandated Liberal utopias.

You so suck at this. It's incredible that you continue to come back for more.

 

[Badcat]

Trog reading the board like...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Willfully obtuse is arguing the ONLY reason to get vaccinated is to avoid dying. As if there’s no other downside to getting Covid. 160 million people get the flu vaccine, damn few are primarily concerned about dying from the flu. I’m sure the same is true for Covid.

Good Lord dumbass, we don't force vax passports for the flu, we don't force people to take the flu shot, we don't fire people if they won't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from flying if they don't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from entering public buildings if they don't get the flu shot.

We allow Americans to assume the risks associated with NOT getting the flu shot.

Do you work at being stupid??

Again, what science backs up your claim that the Covid vaccine is profoundly dangerous for young people while Covid is not? Have anywhere close to 380 young people died from the vaccine? How do you reconcile your reasoning?

Let me see if I can put this into the simplest of terms for you, terms even you "may" be able to understand.

If you don't have diabetes, would you take Pramlintide because you may develop it?

Injecting a non-tested, non-approved, emergency-developed vaccine for people who DO NOT NEED IT is unwise. For people who are high risk, it makes sense. For those who are utterly completely healthy and at NO risk from the disease, to introduce a foreign vaccine we do NOT KNOW the long term effects of is not intelligent. It is dangerous for some percentage of them.

If it is NOT NEEDED, why take it? Why introduce the risk when they are in a risk-less situation?

Using your infinite logic, all teens should be forced to take diuretics like chlorthalidone because they MAY develop high blood pressure, with no consideration at all of the side effects that taking chlorthalidone could have on their existing state of health.

Doctors don't prescribe us medications we don't need. People ages 0-18 are NOT at risk from COVID, therefore mandating they get vaccines for a virus that doesn't affect them goes against medical logic.

 

[Troglodyte]

uh, as has been shown before, this emanated from and was more drastic in NY and NJ. Commiefornia STILL leads in deaths from Rona, btw. Three of the top 5 states for most Rona deaths are Liberal. How goddamned interesting, right? In fact, if you want to look at the top 10 states for KungFlu deaths, only THREE are in the "Deep South Blue". Want to guess how many of the Liberal mask-mandated states comprise the top 10? Probably not, but its five. That's half, and I'm only telling you that since it has been proven time and time again that you're awful at math. Another interesting factoid is that EIGHT of the top 15 states in death tolls are mask-mandated Liberal utopias.

You so suck at this. It's incredible that you continue to come back for more.

Perspective, Stupe, perspective. Rate/population.

 

[Troglodyte]

Good Lord dumbass, we don't force vax passports for the flu, we don't force people to take the flu shot, we don't fire people if they won't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from flying if they don't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from entering public buildings if they don't get the flu shot.

We allow Americans to assume the risks associated with NOT getting the flu shot.

Do you work at being stupid??



Let me see if I can put this into the simplest of terms for you, terms even you "may" be able to understand.

If you don't have diabetes, would you take Pramlintide because you may develop it?

Injecting a non-tested, non-approved, emergency-developed vaccine for people who DO NOT NEED IT is unwise. For people who are high risk, it makes sense. For those who are utterly completely healthy and at NO risk from the disease, to introduce a foreign vaccine we do NOT KNOW the long term effects of is not intelligent. It is dangerous for some percentage of them.

If it is NOT NEEDED, why take it? Why introduce the risk when they are in a risk-less situation?

Using your infinite logic, all teens should be forced to take diuretics like chlorthalidone because they MAY develop high blood pressure, with no consideration at all of the side effects that taking chlorthalidone could have on their existing state of health.

Doctors don't prescribe us medications we don't need. People ages 0-18 are NOT at risk from COVID, therefore mandating they get vaccines for a virus that doesn't affect them goes against medical logic.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

What science suggests that the Covid vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” to young people relative to Covid itself?

 

[Steelworth]

Even Super 70's Sports guy's had enough:




"Ever listen to K-Billy's Super Sounds of the 70's?"

 

[Superman]

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

What science suggests that the Covid vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” to young people relative to Covid itself?

NONE. and do you know why?
of course not, since your simple mind bleets for you to not exercise critical thinking.
as you were schooled on the Flu vax, it has been around for decades. We know for a fact what those side effects are.

do we know all the side effects from the various vaccines for the Wuhan Flu are? No. We're still getting these.

even though we know about the flu and what it can do, the vaccine is not always effective.

Seasonal Flu Shot | CDC

Flu shot info including recommended groups, effectiveness and flu-like symptoms - CDC

www.cdc.gov

How effective is the seasonal flu shot?​

Influenza (flu) vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary. The protection provided by a flu vaccine varies from season to season and depends in part on the age and health status of the person getting the vaccine and the similarity or “match” between the viruses in the vaccine and those in circulation. During years when the flu vaccine match is good, the benefits of flu vaccination will vary, depending on factors like the characteristics of the person being vaccinated (for example, their health and age), what influenza viruses are circulating that season and, potentially, which type of flu vaccine was used.

yet you want to tell us that the vax for the Rona is 90% effective. You're so goddamned bad at math that you're incapable of seeing, even in black and white type on a monitor that 90 is less than 98. "Buhhht, Supe, what is the 98?" That is the percent of people who have recovered from the Gyna Virus.

So you're willing to have your teenage kids get vaxxed. Why, when their age group is proven to be less-stricken by this Chinese-made virus? You're willing to gamble with their future by having this shot. You've rolled the dice, hoping that your beloved politicians are right about the virus being safe, without exercising any critical thought about a vax that was rushed to market.

You've proven over and over how goddamned obtuse you are. All your comments for the past few pages are just **** icing on the fecal cake you call your brain.

 

[Superman]

Perspective, Stupe, perspective. Rate/population.

we've been over this so many times that that mudhole has been walked dry.

 

[Badcat]

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

What science suggests that the Covid vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” to young people relative to Covid itself?

Hey titstick...see if you can read this...it's a short read...hopefully you can maintain your focus enough to get through the bullet points.

• The FDA on Friday added a warning to patient and provider fact sheets for the Pfizer Inc (NYSE: PFE) and Moderna Inc (NASDAQ: MRNA) COVID-19 vaccines to indicate a rare risk of heart inflammation.
• The fact sheets were revised for each vaccine to warn about myocarditis and pericarditis after the second dose and with the onset of symptoms within a few days after receiving the shot.
• Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is the inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart.
• The FDA update follows a review and discussion by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices meeting on Wednesday.
• According to presentation slides from the CDC meeting, more than 1,200 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis cases have been reported, mostly in people 30 and under who received the shots.

SO....The FDA met with the CDC and the PAC and myocarditis was a topic of discussion whereby the outcome was to issue a warning that the LOWEST risk group for dying of covid has the highest chance of getting myocarditis.

Is that science enough for you? Nah...you wont get it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

What science suggests that the Covid vaccine is “profoundly dangerous” to young people relative to Covid itself?

Oh, I don't know, the science of MEDICINE. As I pointed out, doctors do NOT prescribe medications for patients that do not need it. You do NOT introduce unnecessary medicines into the body unless a medical condition warrants it.

Now given that there are documented cases of heart inflammation and deaths, logic dictates you do not give this to people who do not need it.

So why introduce a vaccine into a segment of the population that is more at risk of death from underage drinking or being struck by lightning? They are not at risk from COVID.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Rate/population.

Yes, rates, population.....

Since COVID struck, which states lead the nation in deaths per 100K? US average is 182 per 100K. NY, NJ, MA, RI crushing it!!

 

[Steeltime]

You so suck at this. It's incredible that you continue to come back for more.

Floggy responds:

Good Lord dumbass, we don't force vax passports for the flu, we don't force people to take the flu shot, we don't fire people if they won't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from flying if they don't get the flu shot, we don't prevent them from entering public buildings if they don't get the flu shot.

We allow Americans to assume the risks associated with NOT getting the flu shot.

Do you work at being stupid??

Full-time. It's why he is so good at it.

Injecting a non-tested, non-approved, emergency-developed vaccine for people who DO NOT NEED IT is unwise. For people who are high risk, it makes sense. For those who are utterly completely healthy and at NO risk from the disease, to introduce a foreign vaccine we do NOT KNOW the long term effects of is not intelligent. It is dangerous for some percentage of them.

If it is NOT NEEDED, why take it? Why introduce the risk when they are in a risk-less situation?

Once again, Floggy responds:

 

[Troglodyte]

NONE. and do you know why?
of course not, since your simple mind bleets for you to not exercise critical thinking.
as you were schooled on the Flu vax, it has been around for decades. We know for a fact what those side effects are.

do we know all the side effects from the various vaccines for the Wuhan Flu are? No. We're still getting these.

even though we know about the flu and what it can do, the vaccine is not always effective.

Seasonal Flu Shot | CDC

Flu shot info including recommended groups, effectiveness and flu-like symptoms - CDC

www.cdc.gov

yet you want to tell us that the vax for the Rona is 90% effective. You're so goddamned bad at math that you're incapable of seeing, even in black and white type on a monitor that 90 is less than 98. "Buhhht, Supe, what is the 98?" That is the percent of people who have recovered from the Gyna Virus.

So you're willing to have your teenage kids get vaxxed. Why, when their age group is proven to be less-stricken by this Chinese-made virus? You're willing to gamble with their future by having this shot. You've rolled the dice, hoping that your beloved politicians are right about the virus being safe, without exercising any critical thought about a vax that was rushed to market.

You've proven over and over how goddamned obtuse you are. All your comments for the past few pages are just **** icing on the fecal cake you call your brain.

What the **** are you and Stillworthless rambling about? Go back and read what I said regarding WHY people get vaccinated for Covid OR the Flu. I never compared the vaccines, I only referred to WHY people get vaccinated for ANY virus.

Talk about being goddamned obtuse!

 

[Troglodyte]

Yes, rates, population.....

Since COVID struck, which states lead the nation in deaths per 100K? US average is 182 per 100K. NY, NJ, MA, RI crushing it!!

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Only because they got hit early and you know that. Stupe said California, where are they?

 

[Troglodyte]

Hey titstick...see if you can read this...it's a short read...hopefully you can maintain your focus enough to get through the bullet points.

• The FDA on Friday added a warning to patient and provider fact sheets for the Pfizer Inc (NYSE: PFE) and Moderna Inc (NASDAQ: MRNA) COVID-19 vaccines to indicate a rare risk of heart inflammation.
• The fact sheets were revised for each vaccine to warn about myocarditis and pericarditis after the second dose and with the onset of symptoms within a few days after receiving the shot.
• Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is the inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart.
• The FDA update follows a review and discussion by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices meeting on Wednesday.
• According to presentation slides from the CDC meeting, more than 1,200 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis cases have been reported, mostly in people 30 and under who received the shots.

SO....The FDA met with the CDC and the PAC and myocarditis was a topic of discussion whereby the outcome was to issue a warning that the LOWEST risk group for dying of covid has the highest chance of getting myocarditis.

Is that science enough for you? Nah...you wont get it.

1.200 out of how many TENS of MiLLIONS? Did the CDC stop recommending people under 30 get vaccinated? What’s your point?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Only because they got hit early and you know that. Stupe said California, where are they?

Only because they got hit early???? What in the...ever living??

I've debated 3rd graders with more ability.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

1.200 out of how many TENS of MiLLIONS?

380 deaths out of nearly SEVENTY FIVE MILLION?

What’s your point?

That there are risks associated with the vaccines? That we won't know for years to come the long term effects? That the risk-reward equation says people 18 and under take on more risk taking the vax vs not? That young people taking the vax isn't necessary?

Any of those ring a bell? You've only been presented those points 43 times.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

More evidence of myocarditis in our nation's soldiers.

Reuters attempts to downplay it as minimal. Despite it being abnormal.

Heart inflammation after COVID-19 shots higher than expected in study…

archived 30 Jun 2021 01:11:20 UTC

archive.fo

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yep, the vaccines are great for kids. This poor girl wasn't at risk of dying from COVID. The rest of her life is ****** though.