Covid Vaccine

[Superman]

Exactly, the rewards for getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, that’s why the CDC is still recommending vaccination for young people.

remember when you were screaming from rooftops over a virus that had less than a .01% death rate?
whats the death rate of people who have died after receiving the vaccine?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

70 vaccines combined! So the **** what? Even if that’s true, it’s spin. Statically it’s still VERY safe, that’s the bottom line. And its why, in REALITY, the world forges on with vaccinations.

How the **** are you getting a 250% higher fatality rate? That’s obviously bullshit. 200 Million have been vaccinated.

The more you lose an argument, the more you resort to strawman arguments, misinformation and insults.

Butttttttt you argue that 380 people dying out of a population of 74.2 Million IS statistically relevant, that COVID is dangerous and that age group must all get vaccinated. Waffle harder Flog.

I posted these SCIENTIFIC, RESEARCHED, documented facts a page ago. They are not my numbers. I'm repeating them. These vaccines are far more dangerous than the others, all of them, combined.

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/covid-vaccine.36523/post-829094

• The CDC says there were 5,718 reports of death at a rate of 0.0018% (from the COVID vaccines)
• 380 out of 74.2 Million Americans aged 18 and under died, a death rate of 0.0005%
• That's an increase of 260%.
• The director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases said that severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines were happening at a rate of 11.1 per million vaccinations, compared to the rate of 1.3 per 1 million flu shots. That's a 754% increase in adverse reactions from this vax to the flu vax.
• The reported death rate from Covid-19 shots now exceeds the reported death rate of more than 70 vaccines combined over the past 30 years, and is about 500 times deadlier than the seasonal flu vaccine, which historically has been the most hazardous.
  
  All I do is support my positions with facts. All you do is supply strawman and conjecture. You never support one single factoid. And just like every other post, you will look at these facts, even if you bother to read them, and disregard them.
  
  You simply make **** up and spew it here.
  
  The first time I ever lose an argument to your weak ***, it will be epic news. Like Buster beats Tyson. Keep swinging.
  
  Meanwhile we still all wait for one solid reason why the 18 and under age group needs to get the vaccines when deaths to that age group are “Statistically Insignificant.”
  
  

 

[Stainless]

Would you agree that saying there have been 5,718 deaths "from the COVID vaccines" is a bit disingenuous?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

******* nonsense, Tim. 600,000 people didn’t die because they were denied healthcare. No reasonable, qualified person is claiming that.

Equating my belief that deaths were accurately reported as me claiming deaths were under reported wasn’t a typo, it was a strawman. It’s your M.O.

You stupid, uninformed, mentally-challenged idiot. I never said 600K died because of lack of healthcare. I said NOT ALL 600K excess deaths in 2020 were due to COVID. Are you really this ******* stupid? Seriously? Are you?

This has been posted before. I'll post it again. In hopes that one day, our Special Olympics poster might read and learn something. From the New York Times: https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/hey-anybody-wonder.36904/post-796072

40,000 extra deaths from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, high blood pressure and pneumonia. In several states, deaths attributed to diabetes are at least 20 percent above normal this year. Deaths from Alzheimer’s disease, which usually affects older adults, are 12 percent above normal this year.



At least 10 states have seen deaths from high blood pressure — a common comorbidity like diabetes — rise even higher than the national percentage. These may include deaths from heart failure, kidney failure or stroke. Also, high blood pressure is often affected by stress, which we all saw much of last year.



Keep living this way Flog, we don't begrudge you

Now go on back to foolishly aligning our excess deaths in 2020 100% to COVID deaths when scientists and even your trade rags are woke enough to realize we had excess deaths around the board in lots of categories for lots of reasons.

Only idiot fools say all excess deaths were because of COVID. They weren't. Factually. Undeniably.

Ya can't debate with a wall. But I'll keep beating ya ***.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Would you agree that saying there have been 5,718 deaths "from the COVID vaccines" is a bit disingenuous?

Possibly, I don't have the data in front of me to comment, other than all COVID death reports have been disingenuous.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Would you agree that saying there have been 5,718 deaths "from the COVID vaccines" is a bit disingenuous?

Like saying there have been 600K COVID deaths? Both are disingenuous in the same way.

I do know this...the number of reported adverse events - to include death, allergic reactions, etc - is hundreds of thousands and far exceeds reported incidents for all other vaccines combined (70 of them) for 30 years.

That should tell you something.

 

[Stainless]

Like saying there have been 600K COVID deaths? Both are disingenuous in the same way.

I do know this...the number of reported adverse events - to include death, allergic reactions, etc - is hundreds of thousands and far exceeds reported incidents for all other vaccines combined (70 of them) for 30 years.

That should tell you something.

Regardless, I would argue that you are taking the VAERS number and knowingly spinning it, and don't we hate spin here in Steeler Nation Politics and Religion?

 

[Steelworth]

Regardless, I would argue that you are taking the VAERS number and knowingly spinning it, and don't we hate spin here in Steeler Nation Politics and Religion?

Did he not just say this?

"Like saying there have been 600K COVID deaths? Both are disingenuous in the same way."

Have you called out the incredibly disingenuous reporting of 'Covid or Covid-related' deaths?

 

[Troglodyte]

Butttttttt you argue that 380 people dying out of a population of 74.2 Million IS statistically relevant, that COVID is dangerous and that age group must all get vaccinated. Waffle harder Flog.

I posted these SCIENTIFIC, RESEARCHED, documented facts a page ago. They are not my numbers. I'm repeating them. These vaccines are far more dangerous than the others, all of them, combined.

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/covid-vaccine.36523/post-829094

• The CDC says there were 5,718 reports of death at a rate of 0.0018% (from the COVID vaccines)
• 380 out of 74.2 Million Americans aged 18 and under died, a death rate of 0.0005%
• That's an increase of 260%.
• The director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases said that severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines were happening at a rate of 11.1 per million vaccinations, compared to the rate of 1.3 per 1 million flu shots. That's a 754% increase in adverse reactions from this vax to the flu vax.
• The reported death rate from Covid-19 shots now exceeds the reported death rate of more than 70 vaccines combined over the past 30 years, and is about 500 times deadlier than the seasonal flu vaccine, which historically has been the most hazardous.
  
  All I do is support my positions with facts. All you do is supply strawman and conjecture. You never support one single factoid. And just like every other post, you will look at these facts, even if you bother to read them, and disregard them.
  
  You simply make **** up and spew it here.
  
  The first time I ever lose an argument to your weak ***, it will be epic news. Like Buster beats Tyson. Keep swinging.
  
  Meanwhile we still all wait for one solid reason why the 18 and under age group needs to get the vaccines when deaths to that age group are “Statistically Insignificant.”
  

You continue to use disparate groups, that completely invalidates any comparison you try to make.

AGAIN, there are several benefits to the vaccine other than avoiding death. Why is that so hard to understand?

It was obvious you lost this argument when you resorted to your pathetic “Let’s say 1,100 kids died” extrapolation nonsense.

“70 times! 70 times!” So what? All that proves is that prior vaccines have been really safe. It doesn’t prove the Covid Vaccine is unsafe. 1 in every 33,000 people has died after getting vaccinated and many of them were 80+ years old. It happens, old people die.

 

[Troglodyte]

You stupid, uninformed, mentally-challenged idiot. I never said 600K died because of lack of healthcare. I said NOT ALL 600K excess deaths in 2020 were due to COVID. Are you really this ******* stupid? Seriously? Are you?

This has been posted before. I'll post it again. In hopes that one day, our Special Olympics poster might read and learn something. From the New York Times: https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/hey-anybody-wonder.36904/post-796072

40,000 extra deaths from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, high blood pressure and pneumonia. In several states, deaths attributed to diabetes are at least 20 percent above normal this year. Deaths from Alzheimer’s disease, which usually affects older adults, are 12 percent above normal this year.

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At least 10 states have seen deaths from high blood pressure — a common comorbidity like diabetes — rise even higher than the national percentage. These may include deaths from heart failure, kidney failure or stroke. Also, high blood pressure is often affected by stress, which we all saw much of last year.

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Keep living this way Flog, we don't begrudge you

Now go on back to foolishly aligning our excess deaths in 2020 100% to COVID deaths when scientists and even your trade rags are woke enough to realize we had excess deaths around the board in lots of categories for lots of reasons.

Only idiot fools say all excess deaths were because of COVID. They weren't. Factually. Undeniably.

Ya can't debate with a wall. But I'll keep beating ya ***.

So… it was 560,000 Covid deaths and 40,000 from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, etc. Strong argument there, Tim.

 

[Superman]

You continue to use disparate groups, that completely invalidates any comparison you try to make.

AGAIN, there are several benefits to the vaccine other than avoiding death. Why is that so hard to understand?

It was obvious you lost this argument when you resorted to your pathetic “Let’s say 1,100 kids died” extrapolation nonsense.

“70 times! 70 times!” So what? All that proves is that prior vaccines have been really safe. It doesn’t prove the Covid Vaccine is unsafe. 1 in every 33,000 people has died after getting vaccinated and many of them were 80+ years old. It happens, old people die.

most especially if those people 80+ are residents of nursing homes in NY and NJ. proven facts.

 

[Stainless]

Did he not just say this?

"Like saying there have been 600K COVID deaths? Both are disingenuous in the same way."

Have you called out the incredibly disingenuous reporting of 'Covid or Covid-related' deaths?

I don't really have much insight into that, or a strong opinion one way or the other, so I refrain from commenting. What I will say is that the people I work with in the public health sector, and more specifically infectious disease monitoring, don't strike me as folks that would knowingly doctor data or information. I also have no insight into what guidelines are in place when it comes to reporting cause of death. My guess is that there is often times a degree of uncertainty when it comes to determining and reporting why someone died.

I would speculate that the number of deaths attributed to the vaccines based upon VAERS reports will be somewhere between the number assigned to hulk transformations, which I assume is zero, or very close, and 100%. For the sake of simplicity and transparency, I would just say we have no idea, and we may never know as I have no clue how vigorously those reports are investigated. I suspect there is some degree of follow up.

If you feel something is inaccurate, I don't know whether that justifies propagating another inaccuracy, but everyone has free will.

I apologize for going against the forum grain. It doesn't mean I wouldn't drink a case of beer with you.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You continue to use disparate groups, that completely invalidates any comparison you try to make.

AGAIN, there are several benefits to the vaccine other than avoiding death. Why is that so hard to understand?

It was obvious you lost this argument when you resorted to your pathetic “Let’s say 1,100 kids died” extrapolation nonsense.

“70 times! 70 times!” So what? All that proves is that prior vaccines have been really safe. It doesn’t prove the Covid Vaccine is unsafe. 1 in every 33,000 people has died after getting vaccinated and many of them were 80+ years old. It happens, old people die.

WHAT benefits are there to having the young vaccinated? List them. Given they are, even without prior infection or vaccination, essentially immune to it. Again, they are 1,216% MORE likely to die of underage drinking (380 deaths v 5,000).

You say there are several, list them. Vaccinating people who don't need or require the vaccine goes against a hundred years of medical best practices.

Doctors do not give, nor do they recommend the typhoid vaccines in the USA, nor are they required for children. It is only given to Americans who "may" travel. Using your infinite wisdom and logic, we should be vaccinating all children for typhoid. To inject said children with a vaccine they don't need given there are chances of side effects is dangerous, and therefore isn't done because there is SOME chance there could be a negative reaction.

The point you are missing as you focus on disparate groups and other bullshit are the facts at hand. Those 18 and under just are NOT at risk due to COVID. They are essentially immune to it. Given these untested, non-FDA approved vaccines are demonstrating a host of negative issues - death, blood clots, myocarditis in healthy young males...giving them the vaccines is unneeded and unwarranted.

It's really simple....why assume THAT risk if they are NOT at risk from COVID?

 

[Steelworth]

If you feel something is inaccurate, I don't know whether that justifies propagating another inaccuracy, but everyone has free will.

I apologize for going against the forum grain. It doesn't mean I wouldn't drink a case of beer with you.

Okay then, if you think it's 'propagating another inaccuracy' by illustrating the hypocritical double-standard and then immediately saying they're both disingenuous. But as you said, everyone has free will to think what they think and say what they say.

And please don't ever apologize for 'going against the forum grain'. Contrary to what you may believe, there are a lot of us here who actually like genuine debate. Different points of view - why shouldn't we have them, we're all different, right? If we think differently but can discuss them in a civilized way, more power to us all, I say. But cherry-picking little things while 100% ignoring others, trolling people just to get a rise etc. isn't going against the forum grain - it's being a freeloading troll not interested in actual debate. Let's get that one straight.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Regardless, I would argue that you are taking the VAERS number and knowingly spinning it, and don't we hate spin here in Steeler Nation Politics and Religion?

You're not getting that I am intentionally using the VAERS data in EXACTLY the same way others use the COVID deaths data. At face value.

Both are not real numbers. The truth lies somewhere BELOW the reported numbers.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So… it was 560,000 Covid deaths and 40,000 from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, etc. Strong argument there, Tim.

You've said 100% of excess deaths are due to COVID. They are not. In addition, it's beyond 40,000 excess deaths assigned to other causes. You can't read graphs and data well. There were two graphs. Try reading both and try understanding what was omitted in the 40K number...

You could try doing research. We know you are allergic to it and lazy and only absorb what your Jim Jones-media tells you to think and believe. Here's more research, which I doubt you will read:

Just How Much Was 2020 an Outlier for Deaths?

Setting cause aside, death numbers were 'massive' compared with 2019

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death from any cause rose 23% nationwide in 2020.

That meant 522,368 excess deaths from March through the end of 2020 compared with a projection from the prior 5 years, Steven Woolf, MD, MPH, of Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine in Richmond, and colleagues reported in JAMA.

It's well above the unofficial tally of COVID-19 deaths, which reached about 339,000 deaths by the end of 2020. COVID directly accounted for about 72% of the excess mortality, Woolf's group found.

[Translation: 28% of excess deaths were NOT COVID related...but likely were pandemic-related, i.e., lack of health care, getting transfusions, cancer treatments, etc.]

The rest might have been "either immediate or delayed mortality from undocumented COVID-19 infection, or non–COVID-19 deaths secondary to the pandemic, such as from delayed care or behavioral health crises," they suggested.

Notably, heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer disease deaths increased during surges in their data.

Further:

One-third of excess deaths in US during pandemic were not due to the coronavirus: Study

A new study found that a third of excess deaths in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic could not be directly attributed to the coronavirus.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

A new study found that a third of excess deaths in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic could not be directly attributed to the coronavirus.

“Although total US death counts are remarkably consistent from year to year, US deaths increased by 20% during March-July 2020. COVID-19 was a documented cause of only 67% of these excess deaths,” the study, published on the Journal of the American Medical Association's website, said. “Some states had greater difficulty than others in containing community spread, causing protracted elevations in excess deaths that extended into the summer.”

One reason for the high amount of excess deaths not attributable to COVID-19 has been disruptions in health services caused by lockdowns.

“Excess deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19 could reflect deaths from unrecognized or undocumented infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 or deaths among uninfected patients resulting from disruptions produced by the pandemic,” the study’s authors noted.

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Estimates range between 23-33% of excess deaths in 2020 were NOT due directly to COVID. That's far more than 40,000. That's 138K to 198K excess deaths due to other causes.

Back to the drawing board again Flog.

 

[Troglodyte]

WHAT benefits are there to having the young vaccinated? List them. Given they are, even without prior infection or vaccination, essentially immune to it. Again, they are 1,216% MORE likely to die of underage drinking (380 deaths v 5,000).

You say there are several, list them. Vaccinating people who don't need or require the vaccine goes against a hundred years of medical best practices.

Doctors do not give, nor do they recommend the typhoid vaccines in the USA, nor are they required for children. It is only given to Americans who "may" travel. Using your infinite wisdom and logic, we should be vaccinating all children for typhoid. To inject said children with a vaccine they don't need given there are chances of side effects is dangerous, and therefore isn't done because there is SOME chance there could be a negative reaction.

The point you are missing as you focus on disparate groups and other bullshit are the facts at hand. Those 18 and under just are NOT at risk due to COVID. They are essentially immune to it. Given these untested, non-FDA approved vaccines are demonstrating a host of negative issues - death, blood clots, myocarditis in healthy young males...giving them the vaccines is unneeded and unwarranted.

It's really simple....why assume THAT risk if they are NOT at risk from COVID?

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JFC! They ARE at risk. No qualified medical professional agrees with you, Tim. You simply don’t know what the **** you’re talking about.

Reason #1 for youths to get vaccinated: Ending the ******* pandemic that has ****** up life for a year and a half.

Reason #2 Preventing them from getting a bizarre flu-like illness, the long-term effects of which are not known, and having to quarantine themselves for a ******* week and half. Again, my daughters healthy friend got Covid and developed a leaking heart valve and was hospitalized, as were many other youths. Not at risk?

Reason #3 Preventing spreading it to people who cannot get vaccinated or are among the 10% for which the vaccination doesn’t work.

How can you not think of these yourself? You are in such a frenzy that you can’t get past your ideological, narrow-minded tunnel vision.

 

[Superman]

I can certainly understand and appreciate the desire to have everyone vaxxed against Covid. It's not beyond the realm of disbelief to hypothesize that anyone can carry the Wuhan and transmit it to an older person.

What we know from 29 pages of debate about this is:
The older a person is, the more susceptible to the KungFlu a person is.
The younger a person is, the less susceptible to the GynaFlu a person is.

We also know that people have essentially died from this BatShit Disease.
We can also see that the vast majority of those who died are obese.

There can be correlations drawn between all of those facts.

What we can also see, even if we choose to not believe it as true, is that the governments worldwide have seized upon this to place control on the populace. Yes, there are a few places where this was not the norm. What we need to be on guard about is fully trusting the government (who is really just another group of people and not some high-IQ mensas) to not overstep their bounds.

Were any of us clamoring to get the vaccination under a Trump-led government? No. Even Vice Prostitute Kneepads said she would not, but if this were a Democrat-led government she would "be first in line."

In debate, Kamala Harris says she won't take a COVID vaccine just on Trump's say-so

Sen. Kamala Harris said during Wednesday night’s vice presidential debate with Vice President Mike Pence that she didn’t trust the administration’s push to rush a coronavirus vaccine into production.

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“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”

Thus, we can absolutely see that our elected officials do their best to divide us. It's how they remain in power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Fauxci the mouthpiece for this the entire time? Did Trump fire Fauxci? Why did HeelsUp choose to make a statement like that?

As has been said over and over, with graphs and charts, and links to other websites ... do what you feel comfortable with doing.

I'm no fan of the vaccine, but I did get the Pfizer shot. I got it to protect an elderly family member I was going to see. He already had enough medical issues that I didnt want to compound it ... even though he was already vaccinated. I openly admit it doesnt make a lot of sense for me to have been vaccinated solely to prevent spreading the Rona to him, since he was vaxxed already. And that by doing so, I was not "following the science".

The science has evolved from Day 1 and continues to evolve as we know more about it. What was a sure-fire 100% safe vaccine that was never FDA-approved has now caused deaths in some people and a host of health ailments in others. I'm sure in 10-15-20 years, we'll find that there are even more health ailments from people having gotten vaxxed. The science we follow underlines its dictation of this.

 

[Troglodyte]

You've said 100% of excess deaths are due to COVID. They are not. In addition, it's beyond 40,000 excess deaths assigned to other causes. You can't read graphs and data well. There were two graphs. Try reading both and try understanding what was omitted in the 40K number...

You could try doing research. We know you are allergic to it and lazy and only absorb what your Jim Jones-media tells you to think and believe. Here's more research, which I doubt you will read:

Just How Much Was 2020 an Outlier for Deaths?

Setting cause aside, death numbers were 'massive' compared with 2019

webcache.googleusercontent.com

death from any cause rose 23% nationwide in 2020.

That meant 522,368 excess deaths from March through the end of 2020 compared with a projection from the prior 5 years, Steven Woolf, MD, MPH, of Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine in Richmond, and colleagues reported in JAMA.

It's well above the unofficial tally of COVID-19 deaths, which reached about 339,000 deaths by the end of 2020. COVID directly accounted for about 72% of the excess mortality, Woolf's group found.

[Translation: 28% of excess deaths were NOT COVID related...but likely were pandemic-related, i.e., lack of health care, getting transfusions, cancer treatments, etc.]

The rest might have been "either immediate or delayed mortality from undocumented COVID-19 infection, or non–COVID-19 deaths secondary to the pandemic, such as from delayed care or behavioral health crises," they suggested.

Notably, heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer disease deaths increased during surges in their data.

Further:

One-third of excess deaths in US during pandemic were not due to the coronavirus: Study

A new study found that a third of excess deaths in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic could not be directly attributed to the coronavirus.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

A new study found that a third of excess deaths in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic could not be directly attributed to the coronavirus.

“Although total US death counts are remarkably consistent from year to year, US deaths increased by 20% during March-July 2020. COVID-19 was a documented cause of only 67% of these excess deaths,” the study, published on the Journal of the American Medical Association's website, said. “Some states had greater difficulty than others in containing community spread, causing protracted elevations in excess deaths that extended into the summer.”

One reason for the high amount of excess deaths not attributable to COVID-19 has been disruptions in health services caused by lockdowns.

“Excess deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19 could reflect deaths from unrecognized or undocumented infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 or deaths among uninfected patients resulting from disruptions produced by the pandemic,” the study’s authors noted.

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Estimates range between 23-33% of excess deaths in 2020 were NOT due directly to COVID. That's far more than 40,000. That's 138K to 198K excess deaths due to other causes.

Back to the drawing board again Flog.

Nothing in that article suggests that Covid deaths were over-reported. It mentions that it is specifically for the Covid deaths in 2020 only which are 260,000 lower than the current 600,000 tally.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

JFC! They ARE at risk. No qualified medical professional agrees with you, Tim. You simply don’t know what the **** you’re talking about.

They are at risk????? They have a 0.000005 chance of dying. There's greater risk of underage drinking death. THAT IS NOT RISK.

Reason #1 for youths to get vaccinated: Ending the ******* pandemic that has ****** up life for a year and a half.

The pandemic IS OVER. And science shows that kids weren't spreading COVID at schools to teachers...around...the globe. Not ONE healthy child died in the USA of COVID. Each had severe comorbidities. Vaccinating this age group literally does barely anything at all to contribute to ending the pandemic. You address THOSE AT RISK.

Reason #2 Preventing them from getting a bizarre flu-like illness, the long-term effects of which are not known, and having to quarantine themselves for a ******* week and half. Again, my daughters healthy friend got Covid and developed a leaking heart valve and was hospitalized, as were many other youths. Not at risk?

Compare that with the long term effects of the vaccine, which are currently not fully known, but we do know there have been reported tens of thousands of adverse reactions. Pfizer and Moderna have been mandated by the FDA to include warning labels on their vaccines because they come with risk.

As I have established, there's no death risk to these kids. Literally next to none.

Reason #3 Preventing spreading it to people who cannot get vaccinated or are among the 10% for which the vaccination doesn’t work.

Everyone can get vaccinated. Everyone. They are free. They are everywhere, at grocery stores, given away at sporting events, at schools, in churches. See above, children are not spreaders of the virus. It's...been...established.

How can you not think of these yourself? You are in such a frenzy that you can’t get past your ideological, narrow-minded tunnel vision.

I have thought of each of them. Each are nonsensical given we are at herd immunity, the pandemic is essentially over, treatments work, deaths are scant and barely measurable. So at this point, you don't vaccinate all children. You just don't.

A year ago, if there was a vaccine, you might have had an argument.

Keep hanging on to the virus Floggy, we know you love it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nothing in that article suggests that Covid deaths were over-reported. It mentions that it is specifically for the Covid deaths in 2020 only which are 260,000 lower than the current 600,000 tally.

You can't even ******* read. The discussion isn't about "over reported COVID deaths." The discussion is people tying "excess deaths" over "expected" deaths 100% due to COVID.

As the articleS (multiple) state, we suffered EXCESS deaths BEYOND just COVID...due to lack of healthcare and other reasons. It's in there. I quoted it. You're just willfully ignoring it.

death from any cause rose 23% nationwide in 2020. Can you interpret that? Do you know what it means? It means that ALL deaths - even those NOT covid-related...were up over expected levels.

"A new study found that a third of excess deaths in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic could not be directly attributed to the coronavirus." Do you know what that means? We had excess deaths in 2020. 1/3 of them were NOT related to COVID......that doesn't mean that COVID numbers changed. It means there were MORE excess deaths in all other categories PLUS COVID.

Good god you don't get math.

Liberals love to say "excess deaths were up in 2020 in direct proportion to the # of COVID deaths we had." That is patently FALSE.

We had between 100-200K excess deaths in other categories, and as the articles/studies....note STUDIES....specifically say, it's partially due to lack of health care due to the lockdowns.

You hate the truth...but it is indeed the truth. We all said the lockdowns were going to be costly, and in terms of human life. Indeed they were and it will take a decade to measure it all.

 

[Troglodyte]

They are at risk????? They have a 0.000005 chance of dying. There's greater risk of underage drinking death. THAT IS NOT RISK.



The pandemic IS OVER. And science shows that kids weren't spreading COVID at schools to teachers...around...the globe. Not ONE healthy child died in the USA of COVID. Each had severe comorbidities. Vaccinating this age group literally does barely anything at all to contribute to ending the pandemic. You address THOSE AT RISK.



Compare that with the long term effects of the vaccine, which are currently not fully known, but we do know there have been reported tens of thousands of adverse reactions. Pfizer and Moderna have been mandated by the FDA to include warning labels on their vaccines because they come with risk.

As I have established, there's no death risk to these kids. Literally next to none.



Everyone can get vaccinated. Everyone. They are free. They are everywhere, at grocery stores, given away at sporting events, at schools, in churches. See above, children are not spreaders of the virus. It's...been...established.



I have thought of each of them. Each are nonsensical given we are at herd immunity, the pandemic is essentially over, treatments work, deaths are scant and barely measurable. So at this point, you don't vaccinate all children. You just don't.

A year ago, if there was a vaccine, you might have had an argument.

Keep hanging on to the virus Floggy, we know you love it.

You’re clueless and wrong. The pandemic isn’t over, we are not at herd immunity. The obvious proof is that cases are once again on the rise. Vaccine hesitancy is prolonging the pandemic. This is REALITY. Tune in to any COMPETING news network or newspaper and they will report the same thing.

You have presented nothing that shows children are at more risk from the vaccine relative their Covid risk.

Everyone can get a vaccine that is 90% effective, not 100%. There is no guarantee that the virus won’t mutate into a vaccine resistant strain.

I’m vaccinated as is my family. We didn’t contract the virus. You and your family are responsible for prolonging the pandemic. Who is hanging on? Who loves it?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You’re clueless and wrong. The pandemic isn’t over, we are not at herd immunity. The obvious proof is that cases are once again on the rise. Vaccine hesitancy is prolonging the pandemic. This is REALITY. Tune in to any COMPETING news network or newspaper and they will report the same thing.

You have presented nothing that shows children are at more risk from the vaccine relative their Covid risk.

Everyone can get a vaccine that is 90% effective, not 100%. There is no guarantee that the virus won’t mutate into a vaccine resistant strain.

I’m vaccinated as is my family. We didn’t contract the virus. You and your family are responsible for prolonging the pandemic. Who is hanging on? Who loves it?

No, I'm dead on correct. I've presented the stats from our Government that you ignore. You can lead a horse to water.

35 million infected have natural immunity. 4.6 times that (per the CDC) have had COVID and didn't know it. 161Million Americans likely have natural immunity. We have 157Million vaccinated. Thats 318Million of our 331Million residents. As your own side has said, we need to get to 75% to get to herd immunity. 318Million Americans have either natural immunity, vaccine immunity, or both.

I'll keep repeating the stats you ignore. People 18 and under have a 0.000005 chance of dying from COVID. The CDC itself put forth stats that show risk of death from the vaccines is 0.0018%.

And you can't figure out which path is safer...risk getting COVID or take the vaccine if you're in that age group. Not surprising.

Regarding my family, one member had the virus pre-vaccine. The other two got it after the vaccines were out. They spread it to no one. And now they have natural immunity. I couldn't be happier.

I'm going to try to get an antibody test. Remarkable I've not gotten it having had it in my house twice.

Oh guess what? It didn't kill us. Because....

Well it just isn't that deadly. Ya'll still believing it's worse than the bubonic plague. What's scary is your side. Not the virus.

 

[Superman]

You’re clueless and wrong. The pandemic isn’t over, we are not at herd immunity. The obvious proof is that cases are once again on the rise. Vaccine hesitancy is prolonging the pandemic. This is REALITY. Tune in to any COMPETING news network or newspaper and they will report the same thing.

You have presented nothing that shows children are at more risk from the vaccine relative their Covid risk.

Everyone can get a vaccine that is 90% effective, not 100%. There is no guarantee that the virus won’t mutate into a vaccine resistant strain.

I’m vaccinated as is my family. We didn’t contract the virus. You and your family are responsible for prolonging the pandemic. Who is hanging on? Who loves it?

and you have not shown that children are at an extreme risk of Rona.
link?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

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