Hope everything goes okay for him (and the rest of you), ham to the ster.
Covid Vaccine
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Hope everything goes okay for him (and the rest of you), ham to the ster.
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Reading the article, it doesn't sound any more dangerous than any other variant based on what they know right now. I'm not sure it's less dangerous.
How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant, and Will It Cause a COVID Surge in the U.S.?
A new, more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2 is rapidly spreading in the country and poses a threat to unvaccinated and partially vaccinated peoplewww.scientificamerican.com
Studies to date suggest the Delta variant is between 40 and 60 percent more transmissiblethan the Alpha variant first identified in the U.K.—which was already 50 percent more transmissible than the original viral strain first detected in Wuhan, China. Delta has quickly become the dominant variant in the U.K. and has led to another surge in cases there, despite the population’s high vaccination rate. And it is rapidly becoming more prevalent in the U.S. A preprint study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, found that Delta and another variant called Gamma, first identified in Brazil, are rapidly replacing Alpha, which had previously been the most common U.S. variant. As of June 30, estimates suggest Delta is now the country’s dominant variant, according to William Lee, vice president of science at the genomics company Helix, who co-authored the study.*
“It is the most hypertransmissible, contagious version of the virus we’ve seen to date, for sure—it’s a superspreader strain if there ever was one,” says Eric Topol, a professor of molecular medicine and an executive vice president at the Scripps Research Institution. The U.S. is poorly prepared, he says. Less than half of the nation’s population is fully vaccinated—and that number is much lower in some states, particularly in the South and Mountain West
I was talking with a friend of mine the other day about the vaccine and those refusing to take it. Right now, it seems as though it is primarily conservatives that don't want to take the vaccine. I wouldn't be afraid to be that if Trump were President today, conservatives would be nearly 100% vaccinated and liberals would be refusing to take the vaccine. I mean, Kamala Harris straight up said she wouldn't take Trump's vaccine. Many liberals I know said similar things. Now suddenly, everyone needs the vaccine. It's funny how perspectives change based on the political affiliation of the President.
I guess we'll see in the coming weeks and months whether these new variants pose a more serious threat or if we are being spoon fed more fear mongering.
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I provided two sources, NYT and CDC websites. Check for yourself. Look at the data if the graphs confuse you. The NYT is now reporting a 35% increase in the 14 day average of new cases.
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and I provide this graph in response. blue is what you believe it to be. red is what you believe it to be. neither answer is correct, but neither answer is wrong.
You may try working on embedding images. A monkey could do it.
Meanwhile, perspective....
What exactly is cases rising to you? One day? Analyzing the space of a week? A month? Here's been our case loads (still minute - 16,812 cases is 336 cases per state - wow!)
Cases rose 3.4% OFFSET by deaths falling 25%. It's the flu bro.
May 1 - 48,313 cases reported; 7-day average was 50,278 cases
June 1 - 19,870 cases reported; 7-day average was 17,514 cases
June 15 - 14,166 cases reported; 7-day average was 13,530 cases
June 30 - 11,475 cases reported; 7-day average was 13,270 cases
July 7 - 19,917 cases reported; 7-day average was 13,727 cases
Wow, to quote Tibs, it's a RAGING INFERNO. Our 7 day trends as of yesterday are directly in line with where we were on June 15, and less than where we were June 1 and SUBSTANTIALLY less than where we were May 1.
Still incredibly sick to see each of you rooting for higher case loads.
And the Delta variant is hayfever-like. Why the fear?
Top Experts Say COVID-19 'Delta Variant' Symptoms Are Identical To 'Hay Fever', Common Cold - National File
Absolutely terrifying!
nationalfile.com
Main COVID-19 symptoms now headaches and sore throats, UK expert warns
The main symptoms of COVID-19 appear to have changed — with headaches and sore throats now more common than fevers and coughs, according to a warning by UK experts.
nypost.com
It's essentially a case of hay fever per researchers
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The argument now is whether or not the country has reached herd immunity, is it not? Again, you won’t see and average of 13k+ new cases / day if and when we have herd immunity. As I explained to Steeltime, when you have a very high level immunity, the odds of a potential host being in close contact with an infectious person become very remote. We’re obviously not there to be seeing 13k+ new cases / day.
Also, per state is the wrong way to think about it. Some states have reached “community immunity”, while others like BLUE STATE Missouri are reimposing mask mandates for schools. Imagine that!
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I'm not getting the vaccine regardless of who is President. This isn't a political issue for most of us, it's a ******* health issue. Kamala's words were political bullshit and we can expect that from the politico's in Washington. Let them act like toddlers and control their minions into being human Guinee pigs. I understand why you got the shot Sarge, and you're not a blind follower. I'm talking about the easily controlled asshats like Trog and Tibs.
I saw a meme on social media that said something to the effect of "If there was a cure for cancer, would the government give it out for free and provide incentives to go get it?" It's ******* spot on. The world is one giant lab experiment right now.
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Someone’s being creative with their crayons!
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Sure, a lot of people are unsure about the long term health effects of this vaccine, but I also tend to believe a lot of people are refusing to do it because Joe Biden says it's the right thing to do. Personally speaking, I really don't care who does or doesn't get vaccinated and what their reasons are. There's risk in everything, and people have to do what they think is best for them, whatever that decision is. I just think for a lot of people, both liberal and conservative, a lot of simple things get boiled down to nothing more than a political ideology, and I think it may be worse than it's ever been in our country.
unfortunately, many of us arent as fluent in Crayolaese as you are.
You say so.
I pointed out that the "unvaccinated, non-recovered" would be more than 13 million using TSF's numbers. I then pointed out that 13,000 is a scant 1% of that total. TSF then posted data from the CDC showing that the magic vaccine you so worship is unfortunately not as effective at preventing patients from catching and spreading the Chinese flu despite being asymptomatic, but it undoubtedly has a tremendous benefit in lowering the presence and degree of symptoms - something you and Tibilo have yourselves noted. In other words, asymptomatic, vaccinated people can transmit the virus to the unvaccinated, non-immune.
So what data do you have to support your claim that 13,000 per week getting the Chinese flu out of an eligible population of more than 13,000,000 is unusual? Other than you just saying stupid ****, I mean, because that most certainly does not qualify as data.
totally agree. i got the stabby stab jabby jab to prevent the possibility of acquiring the WuhanFlu and spreading it to an elderly family member.
unlike Flog who got it to prevent spreading it to his family, then had his family get it to prevent spreading it back to him.
if it weren't for my family member being in a precarious health situation, i'd have likely passed on this for at least another 6-8 months. i'd rather know more of the side effects than i did when i was sitting in cvs getting the needle. but for some, yes, if Trump said to take it they'd take it. a likely larger number of people would avoid taking it because he said it. however, if Biden said "get shot needle kung flu bat monkey" the numbers would be flipped.
Just saw on Twitter in response to this: Jacovid Witnesses
Floggy then isolated and locked down because the Chinese flu, until he didn't and went to Florida cuz the Chinese flu, after which he never missed a paycheck and traffic was soooo much better cuz the Chinese flu, but you should get another vaccine cuz the Chinese flu and not travel to Florida cuz the Chinese flu and cuz Floggy way want to return and hates traffic.
The logic is impeccable.
I wouldn't have taken it even if Trump was reelected...
As I have gotten older and wiser I began to realize that our government has never been involved with anything it hasn't ****** up. And this whole fiasco has been political and about power and money from the get go...
You want to scare the **** out of me and make me even consider taking a improperly tested vaccine?
At least show me something like happened with the Spanish flu....4 waves.....Up to 100 million dead....
Or something that at least has a better chance of killing me than lightning does.
Dr. Floggy imagining working on his response ...
Dr. Floggy actually preparing a response ...
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It’s strange. Prior to the vaccine, you guys were arguing that asymptotic people weren’t spreading it to others, now you’re saying they are. And I’m supposed to believe it’s not ideological with you?
It’s 13,000 new cases/day, not 13.000/week. And it’s not like each state has few hundred each like Tim suggested. Missouri and it’s 39.4% vaccination rate is averaging 1,000 new cases/day and growing. Contrast that with Vermont at 66% vaccinated is averaging 4 (FOUR!) new cases/day and often has none. The vaccine is clearly the way to end the pandemic, natural immunity isn’t getting it done.
prove this. post a quote where someone said asymptomatic people were not capable of spreading it.
Perhaps you misread my question. I did not ask you for your personal opinions. I asked you to identify one source other than Dr. Floggy for your contention that the rate of contagion is inconsistent with the numbers TSF posted about natural immunity and vaccinated individuals.
One. Just one. Because, "I say so" is not evidence.
Idiot.
Good Lord you speak as if you have a definition of herd immunity based upon math. We've been down this rabbit hole. You once said we had to get to hundreds of cases per day. You now say 13K cases per day does not mean we are at herd immunity.
Can you please bestow upon us all your wisdom of when herd immunity occurs?
Herd Immunity: Herd immunity happens when a large part of the population -- the herd -- is immune to a virus. This can happen either because these people got vaccinated or had already been infected. Herd immunity makes it harder for a virus to spread. So even those who haven't been sick or vaccinated have some protection.
Yale Medicine: Put simply, herd immunity means a large portion of a community is immune to a disease, making further disease spread unlikely. Immunity is conferred either by building antibodies after an infection from the virus or from a vaccine.
Pretty much sounds like where we are today, ammmirritte?
I found this article fascinating. You probably won't. Remember this was written nearly 3 months ago:
Is herd immunity closer than we think?
Real-world data trickling in from other countries sheds light on how quickly the United States might contain the coronavirus.
www.aamc.org
What is herd immunity?
Herd immunity occurs when a significant portion of a population achieves immunity to a disease, either through prior infection or vaccination, so that the disease is unable to spread from person to person. The percentage of the population that must have immunity in order to achieve that goal varies depending on how contagious the disease is.For instance, measles is highly contagious — so much so that 95% of the population must be immunized in order to stamp out the disease...
Since COVID-19 is a brand-new disease, no one quite knows what level of immunity might be required to stop SARS-CoV-2 from spreading. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci, MD, recently stated that he thinks that 70% to 85% of the population might need to be immune before the coronavirus is effectively contained.
Where we stand now
The U.S. population stands at about 330 million, according to the latest U.S. census figures. Assuming that Fauci and Sette are correct, between 230 million and 280 million people would need to be immune before the pandemic can be stopped.So where are we now?
Immunity from natural infection: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) COVID Data Tracker shows that about 31.5 million people in the United States have been infected with the coronavirus since February 2020. But those are the official, confirmed numbers. Most experts say that because of inadequate testing and reporting, the true number of infections is many times higher — the CDC put this number at 83 million by December 2020.
Eric Topol, MD, the founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, estimates that the number of actual infections is close to 100 million. “It could be as high as 110 million or it could be 90 million, but the serology tests — the good ones — say that we’ve confirmed less than a third of infections,” he explains.
Immunity from vaccination: In addition to the roughly 100 million U.S. residents who have gained natural immunity, about 132 million (about 40% of the population) have received at least the first shot of a coronavirus vaccine, including 80% of those age 65 and older.
Even one shot conveys broad immunity — a recent CDC study showed that one dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine was 80% effective in preventing infections two weeks after the first dose.
Overlap between the two groups: While no one knows for certain how many people who were previously infected have received a vaccine, Topol estimates that about half of the 100 million U.S. residents previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 have been vaccinated. “That puts us at about 50 million who had COVID and are not vaccinated,” he says.
That group of 50 million who are not vaccinated but have some level of natural immunity — plus the 132 million who have been vaccinated — gets us to about 182 million of the 230 million to 280 million needed to reach herd immunity.
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Sounds EXACTLY like what I have been saying. 50% of those vaccinated didn't previously have COVID. 3 months ago, the estimate was we were at 182Million protected - by medical professionals. THREE MONTHS AGO. We are certainly far closer to 230 Million now.
Anyone suggesting we are at or near herd immunity only needs reference this article. If we aren't there, we certainly are damned close.
You're suffering from confirmation bias.
California: Averaging 1600 cases per day recently, up 70%, 51% vaccination rate.
They were your darling for a minute. Then now...not so much.
CT has had a 40% increase in their 14 day average and are 61% vaccinated.
Fucken ND is down 41% and only 39% vaccinated. Using Floggy Logic - Yay natural immunity!
Floggy still pointing to individual states to make a point, failing again, because there is always another state to offset his points.
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And some of us remember 1990 And the experimental anthrax vaccine and the problems that caused and are refusing to take experimental vaccines. And we would do so no matter who was in control of the executive branch.