Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

I cannot believe you are this willfully obtuse. I know you know better. You're now playing a party-platform talking point.

Emphatically, without question - it is 100% verifiable - these vaccines have not been tested per FDA rules and guidelines. Use simple logic. For instance, the usual FDA testing takes YEARS on animals. Why? They need to understand both short and LONG term effects of the vaccines. The vaccines were released in December. They did not test them for years. Even you see that impossibility.

They have been APPROVED under EUA. Do you not understand the difference? The Emergency Use Authorization specifically means they were not tested in the traditional format and were rushed to market for emergency purposes. What part of this are you failing to grasp?

Mankind IS the testing. Mankind, being guinea pigs, let the FDA and governments around the world know that myocarditis is one previously unidentified side effect of the vaccines. AKA, mankind IS the test bed.

I mean, if you want to continue to proceed, please proceed to make yourself appear a bigger fool than you already are. Saying these vaccines were tested and "approved" is akin to me saying drinking clorox isn't dangerous.

If you do proceed, please provide background on the thorough testing done on animals, then sick humans, and the FDA trial information, like this one: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-approvals-and-databases/drug-trial-snapshot-ozempic

Good luck finding those for the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines.

Good luck finding the 1,100 kids that died after getting the vaccine.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Says the tool whose maskless, unvaccinated family got Covid.

I never said we needed to get down to hundreds of new cases per day to be safe. I said that that is when we will know we have achieved herd immunity. Mind you, this is back in early April?, the first time you were ridiculously WRONG about the US having achieved herd immunity.

I support vaccines but for the love of god masks as worn by the general public are worse than useless and that is a scientific fact.

 

[Troglodyte]

Let's say your theory (for that's what it is) is true. Let's just say it is true that only the unvaxed are getting these cases (they say 90% are...so ok).

Are these people now not developing natural antibodies, which is better than being vaccinated because you get life long protection? Isn't this further protecting the herd (this is one way herd immunity is built up)?

COVID is now only as deadly as the flu. Period. The delta variant is less deadly, as are all mutations of the original virus. The virus is now less deadly, and our treatments have improved. Astronomically FEWER people die from any form of COVID now than they did last year.

So why your incessant, persistent, never-ending fear? Do you actually understand what we are now dealing with? You all act as if we are still dealing with the "RAGING INFERNO" of March/April/May last year. We are demonstrably not.

Whole lotta misinformation and alternative reality going on in this post, Tim. But nevermind that.

Where have Tibs or I mentioned the deaths you keep reverting to? Another strawman. You sense yourself losing an argument so you try to change the argument.

 

[Steelworth]

I strongly recommend you give up your ridiculous ideology and get vaccinated.

Here it comes. Do what the government and their mouthpiece Pravda says, and take the !

 

[Steelworth]

Says the tool whose maskless, unvaccinated family got Covid.

Again with this ****. First of all, leave family the **** out of this. Second, his family (likely, I can't be 100% on it) got Covid before the vaccine was even readily available to that age group.

As for masks, you've been shown time and again how useless they really are - but answer me this question - California has had a 90-95% mask compliance rate, yet is the most infected (with the most deaths) state in the nation.

So again (I know, it's like I'm beating my head against the wall now), how exactly are masks so effective?

 

[Troglodyte]

I support vaccines but for the love of god masks as worn by the general public are worse than useless and that is a scientific fact.

Tell that to the RED STATE Missouri school districts that are reimposing mask mandates.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Again with this ****. First of all, leave family the **** out of this. Second, his family (likely, I can't be 100% on it) got Covid before the vaccine was even readily available to that age group.

As for masks, you've been shown time and again how useless they really are - but answer me this question - California has had a 90-95% mask compliance rate, yet is the most infected (with the most deaths) state in the nation.

So again (I know, it's like I'm beating my head against the wall now), how exactly are masks so effective?

They're not. Good at getting cross contaminated with all kinds of ****. Good for the weak minded who are so easily misled. Masks are good for submission and control. Just ask Muslim women.

They're good for spreading fear and weakening immune systems. The longer we shelter away from each other the weaker we will become.


Liberals are the weak link in the ******* chain. Bunch of ******* cowards who need government to tell them to **** or get off the pot. They're so gd pathetic. You can smack them in the face all day long with facts,logic,reason,science and common sense and they'll still keep coming with asinine bs while ignoring everything.They're like the terminator.

They're the kind of people who turned their Jewish neighbors in to the SS. The kind who turned in their parents to be executed during the great commie leap forward in China.

Same people working the killing fields in Cambodia smashing babies on tree's to save bullets.

The idea is all the same. When this countries government can turn the military, it will be our turn.

Fortunately we can still say **** you from a bunch of states. **** your vaccine. Your masks. Your lockdowns. Your censorship. **** your fear mongering mother ******* bullshit you thumb sucking coward.


There's absolutely no reason to even talk much about this lab made commie flu anymore. It's done the job it was designed to do and then some. Hopefully if we ever get someone with some balls in office again, we can return the ******* favor.

Time to move on.

 

[Steelworth]

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Tell that to the RED STATE Missouri school districts that are reimposing mask mandates.

I would love to. It is beyond stupid. Particularly for kids. The masks on kids are more likely to spread disease than stop it. If the general public is bad with mask hygiene they got nothing on the hygienic disaster that is kids wearing masks. Did you read the latest study on kids mask? It was disgusting.

 

[Steeltime]

The various readily available Covid vaccines have been tested & approved around the world, including all the major Western nations. Again, nearly 1bn people (!) have been fully inoculated with two doses. You think a country like Germany, England, France or any of the highly-advanced Scandinavian countries would have proceeded with an unsafe vaccine? Really?

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?​

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained

FDA explains the Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines

www.fda.gov

I understand you spend much of your adult life navel-gazing, running in circles and don’t give two ***** about what’s happening in the world around you, but maybe, just maybe, you should stick your head out the window and start paying attention. Particularly since you give off the air of a knowledgable ‘expert’ on any, and every, subject known to mankind.

Says the guy misstating the status of the Chinese flu vaccines and who has zero education or training in law, economics, government, civics or medicine and on a daily basis claims to lecture the rest of us on law, economics, government policy, government power and medicine.

Thank you Jen Psaki. We finally have government officials willing to tell the cold, hard truth.

The pair [of dunces, Peepads and Kneepads] then issued a statement Tuesday asking for specifics on Trump's plan for the vaccine, pointing out mistakes already made by Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

"We cannot allow a repeat of Trump’s testing and personal protective equipment fiascos when it comes to a COVID-19 vaccine," they wrote.

Biden and Harris preemptively sow doubt on Trump vaccine announcement

You may be the only person on earth stupid enough to believe a word out of the mouth of that disgusting, lying queef-bag, Pshitferbrains Psaki.

20 years of research led to the development of a vaccine to prevent a virus that was released from a Chinese lab in November of 2019?

Jesus Christ, we all know you're an imbecile. Please stop trying to prove that point.

 

[Steeltime]

Tell that to the RED STATE Missouri school districts that are reimposing mask mandates.

Public schools should instead cut the heads off chickens and have mystics read the portents as to what should be done.

As least the ******* mystics might accidentally make a worthwhile suggestion, unlike the useless mask bullshit for children.

 

[Tibs]

The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high.

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19

The science around the use of masks by the public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: population impact, transmission...

www.pnas.org

Evidence for Effectiveness of Masks​

Your mask helps protect those around you

COVID-19 spreads mainly from person to person through respiratory droplets. Respiratory droplets travel into the air when you cough, sneeze, talk, shout, or sing. These droplets can then land in the mouths or noses of people who are near you or they may breathe these droplets in.

Masks are a simple barrier to help prevent your respiratory droplets from reaching others. Studies show that masks reduce the spray of droplets when worn over the nose and mouth.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

What else do you need to understand such a simple concept? How many wormholes are you willing to travel through to convince yourself of some mystical alternative reality that a simple cloth mask doesn't help reduce transmission? Why is this such a huge ******* ordeal for some of you? It's literally mind-numbing. Get the **** over yourselves and join the rest of civilized society. Or simply get the two doses of the vaccine, and you can leave your masks behind.

Or don't, just don't do any of it. Don't get vaccinated, don't wear a mask, be a ******* hero in your own mind. But then shut the **** up about it and stop spinning conspiracy theories and try to rationalize your dumbassery. It's insulting, really is. Sheer lunacy, what's going on here on the board.

 

[Steeltime]

Tibilo badmouths vaccine, and now is a vaccine overlord. Tibilo read headline, does not read actual article. From Tibilo's article:

A Cochrane review (15) on physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses included 67 RCTs and observational studies. It found that “overall masks were the best performing intervention across populations, settings and threats.” There is a similar preprint review by the same lead author (16), in which only studies where mask wearing was tested as a stand-alone intervention were included, without combining it with hand hygiene and physical distancing, and excluding observational studies. That review concluded that “there was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures.” MacIntyre and Chughtai (17) published a review evaluating masks as protective intervention for the community, protection for health workers, and as source control. The authors conclude that “community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings.”

On the other hand, a preprint systematic review that only included RCTs and observational studies (20) concluded, based on the RCTs, that there was only weak evidence for a small effect from mask use in the community, but that the RCTs often suffered from poor compliance and controls.

So Tibilo concludes masks may work or might not, on adults, not kids, so children should wear masks in school, because:

Discussion: Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients. Prior evidence that surgical masks effectively filtered influenza virus (1) informed recommendations that patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 should wear face masks to prevent transmission (2). However, the size and concentrations of SARS–CoV-2 in aerosols generated during coughing are unknown. Oberg and Brousseau (3) demonstrated that surgical masks did not exhibit adequate filter performance against aerosols measuring 0.9, 2.0, and 3.1 μm in diameter. Lee and colleagues (4) showed that particles 0.04 to 0.2 μm can penetrate surgical masks. The size of the SARS–CoV particle from the 2002–2004 outbreak was estimated as 0.08 to 0.14 μm (5); assuming that SARS-CoV-2 has a similar size, surgical masks are unlikely to effectively filter this virus.

Of note, we found greater contamination on the outer than the inner mask surfaces. Although it is possible that virus particles may cross from the inner to the outer surface because of the physical pressure of swabbing, we swabbed the outer surface before the inner surface. The consistent finding of virus on the outer mask surface is unlikely to have been caused by experimental error or artifact. The mask's aerodynamic features may explain this finding. A turbulent jet due to air leakage around the mask edge could contaminate the outer surface. Alternatively, the small aerosols of SARS–CoV-2 generated during a high-velocity cough might penetrate the masks. However, this hypothesis may only be valid if the coughing patients did not exhale any large-sized particles, which would be expected to be deposited on the inner surface despite high velocity. These observations support the importance of hand hygiene after touching the outer surface of masks.

ACP Journals

Dr. Tibilo ... an idiot. A moron. An ideologue. Too lazy to read the **** he posts.

But trust Dr. Tibilo.

 

[Steeltime]

Tibilo just hates people of color.

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity

KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.

www.kff.org

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Says the tool whose maskless, unvaccinated family got Covid.

I never said we needed to get down to hundreds of new cases per day to be safe. I said that that is when we will know we have achieved herd immunity. Mind you, this is back in early April?, the first time you were ridiculously WRONG about the US having achieved herd immunity.

Ohhh, tough guy, once again going after my family. News flash Einstein, 50% of this country has had COVID. They are now better protected than your family.

And that is specifically NOT what you said and it was in May, NOT April.

You don't even remember the arguments you make.

And you can go back and search my posts. I didn't say then we were at herd immunity. I shared Dr. Makaray's posts which indicated we were nearing it and we had it in some areas.

Stay on point son.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Good luck finding the 1,100 kids that died after getting the vaccine.

The straw man accuser going full straw man. Can't make it up.

From the CDC website: "More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. "

0.0018%. Again, these adverse events and deaths in total from the COVID vaccines are greater than 70 other vaccines combined over the past 30 years. THAT in and of itself shows how much more dangerous these untested vaccines are in comparison. VASTLY more dangerous.

Many other nations are refusing to vaccinate the young, because they intelligently understand it's not worth the risk. You support forcing them all to get the vaccines. That is reckless.

You do not force these vaccines on an age group that is essentially at zero risk from this virus. It's simple.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Whole lotta misinformation and alternative reality going on in this post, Tim. But nevermind that.

Where have Tibs or I mentioned the deaths you keep reverting to? Another strawman. You sense yourself losing an argument so you try to change the argument.

Disprove the information.

Deaths matter. You all are running around here talking about the RAGING INFERNO of a tiny rise in cases. In the end, if a virus isn't a killer, you don't treat it like the bubonic plague. You all continue to act as if COVID is the plague. It no longer is the danger it was.

The virus is mutating, getting more contagious and weaker (despite your dumbass assertion it may get worse...Zona educated you on that). Our treatments the world over are better. Fewer people are dying.

If cases go up while the death rate drops drastically, we change our approach to the virus. Lockdowns, masks, ruining lives/businesses/life isn't warranted.

Hell it hasn't been warranted in 2021 at all.

Keep screaming about cases rising with a virus that is just no longer killing. Deaths per day is now down to a statistical rounding error.

 

[Steeltime]

Take it easy on Tibilo, Tim.

Just point out the window, he gets distracted and forgets what he was arguing. Then promise him ice cream and his mind goes completely blank. Like this guy:

Just no loud noises are sudden movements. Tibilo and Xiden need their nappy time.

 

[oneforthebus]

The big loser in all of this is science. People have staked out their sides, embrace any crumb of evidence that supports their chosen viewpoint, and ignore anything that doesn't. On both sides. It's ridiculous.

Vaccines are largely safe and effective with few exceptions. The risk of death from covid to most segments of the population is exceedingly low. The risk of death from the vaccine is exceedingly low. Covid can cause long term effects in some people but it seems pretty rare. Vaccines can cause long term effects in people but it seems pretty rare. Natural immunity is as protective as vaccines as far as we know. Immunity from vaccines and infection may or may not wane over time, one might last longer than the other, the jury's still out on that.

All of these are facts that can in logical reality coexist but apparently you are no longer allowed to believe anything that your "side" doesn't believe. "We don't know yet" is treated like some kind of suspicious or misleading statement, when it is just a factual reality. Data is being distorted and manipulated to push a political agenda.

I don't know how we get back to trusting science again. Our trust has been eroded by politics from every angle.

 

[IndySteel]

The big loser in all of this is science. People have staked out their sides, embrace any crumb of evidence that supports their chosen viewpoint, and ignore anything that doesn't. On both sides. It's ridiculous.

Vaccines are largely safe and effective with few exceptions. The risk of death from covid to most segments of the population is exceedingly low. The risk of death from the vaccine is exceedingly low. Covid can cause long term effects in some people but it seems pretty rare. Vaccines can cause long term effects in people but it seems pretty rare. Natural immunity is as protective as vaccines as far as we know. Immunity from vaccines and infection may or may not wane over time, one might last longer than the other, the jury's still out on that.

All of these are facts that can in logical reality coexist but apparently you are no longer allowed to believe anything that your "side" doesn't believe. "We don't know yet" is treated like some kind of suspicious or misleading statement, when it is just a factual reality. Data is being distorted and manipulated to push a political agenda.

I don't know how we get back to trusting science again. Our trust has been eroded by politics from every angle.

It’s simple. The left manipulates (and created) the situation for control. The non-rino right takes the facts for what it really is. Or what they really are. Grammar matters...

 

[Steelworth]

The big loser in all of this is science. People have staked out their sides, embrace any crumb of evidence that supports their chosen viewpoint, and ignore anything that doesn't. On both sides. It's ridiculous.

Vaccines are largely safe and effective with few exceptions. The risk of death from covid to most segments of the population is exceedingly low. The risk of death from the vaccine is exceedingly low. Covid can cause long term effects in some people but it seems pretty rare. Vaccines can cause long term effects in people but it seems pretty rare. Natural immunity is as protective as vaccines as far as we know. Immunity from vaccines and infection may or may not wane over time, one might last longer than the other, the jury's still out on that.

All of these are facts that can in logical reality coexist but apparently you are no longer allowed to believe anything that your "side" doesn't believe. "We don't know yet" is treated like some kind of suspicious or misleading statement, when it is just a factual reality. Data is being distorted and manipulated to push a political agenda.

I don't know how we get back to trusting science again. Our trust has been eroded by politics from every angle.

While this post is largely on point IMO, the government and their Pravda mouthpiece have hyperinflated this thing beyond insanity. Personally, I would be skeptical of this vaccine no matter who is in office, but that's just me and having some knowledge of the incredibly thorough and lengthy process of vaccines/vaccine approval.

There's hardly any talk of natural immunity. There's hardly any talk of therapeutics. There's hardly any talk of taking better care of oneself and encouraging it within their families/loved ones. There's hardly any talk of vitamins (and specific vitamins that are apparently very effective for combating the severity of symptoms), and other things that don't make them a lot of money.

I'm sure there are people who have staked out their sides, and no matter what, are going to believe what they want to believe. But what they've done to this country and people's lives over a respiratory virus with a extremely low fatality rate has been absolutely criminal (& we aren't entirely sure of the real numbers) - and we all know which side that has been.

 

[Steeltime]

The big loser in all of this is science. People have staked out their sides, embrace any crumb of evidence that supports their chosen viewpoint, and ignore anything that doesn't. On both sides. It's ridiculous.

"You're equally bad" is the ultimate Solomonic decision. Problem is that generally in an argument, one side has the better position based on facts. Modern liberal, "equity," every opinion matters education has lessened our ability to see that for two sides of an argument, the fact that both sides are right on some points and wrong on others is not the issue - the two sides take a differing view and we need to make intelligent decisions as to which side prevails.

Vaccines are largely safe and effective with few exceptions. The risk of death from covid to most segments of the population is exceedingly low. The risk of death from the vaccine is exceedingly low. Covid can cause long term effects in some people but it seems pretty rare. Vaccines can cause long term effects in people but it seems pretty rare. Natural immunity is as protective as vaccines as far as we know. Immunity from vaccines and infection may or may not wane over time, one might last longer than the other, the jury's still out on that.

This is a prime example of the "both sides are right, both sides are wrong" level of reasoning. Vaccines are generally quite safe and effective. Okay. Agree on that. But does that mean we just inoculate everybody, no matter age or prior infection - that's the government edict right now?

Even if vaccines are generally "very safe (they are)" if the population under age 18 has a miniscule risk from the lab-made Chinese flu, and the incidence of adverse side effects such as myocarditis are significant then simply saying, "Oh, but vaccines are generally very safe" means nothing. This vaccine to minors has side effects that seem to outweigh the risk of getting the lab-made Chinese flu. Also, forcing minors to take a vaccine after they have already recovered from the lab-made Chinese flu and have natural immunity is insanity.

Yet schools are ordering students with natural immunity to take the vaccine. That is outrageous. And those who point out that undeniable fact are pulled off Twitter and Fakebook.

The "oh, you're both at fault" line of reasoning fails under those circumstances.

All of these are facts that can in logical reality coexist but apparently you are no longer allowed to believe anything that your "side" doesn't believe. "We don't know yet" is treated like some kind of suspicious or misleading statement, when it is just a factual reality. Data is being distorted and manipulated to push a political agenda.

But if I point out that data are distorted, somebody is going to reply, "Vaccines are very safe" and "you are both wrong."

I don't know how we get back to trusting science again. Our trust has been eroded by politics from every angle.

Right now, I have zero trust in the Federal government. None. They lied about Iraq, got us into a bullshit war, displaced the one nation that was holding Iran in check, lied about Libya, lied about the "Arab spring," created a clusterfuck in the Middle East, spent hundreds of billions on their mistakes, lied about the origins of the lab-made Chinese flu, lied about the number killed by the lab-made Chinese flu, are lying about the efficacy of natural immunity, are lying about the need for children to take the vaccine, are lying about the prevalence of side effects in patients under 18 who take the vaccine.

Fool me 194 times, shame on you. Fool me that 195th time, shame on me.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

this is a dry run at setting the precedent that if something is declared a health emergency then that pesky Constitution no longer applies. One can get the feeling that this is just the opening act.

 

[Troglodyte]

The big loser in all of this is science. People have staked out their sides, embrace any crumb of evidence that supports their chosen viewpoint, and ignore anything that doesn't. On both sides. It's ridiculous.

Vaccines are largely safe and effective with few exceptions. The risk of death from covid to most segments of the population is exceedingly low. The risk of death from the vaccine is exceedingly low. Covid can cause long term effects in some people but it seems pretty rare. Vaccines can cause long term effects in people but it seems pretty rare. Natural immunity is as protective as vaccines as far as we know. Immunity from vaccines and infection may or may not wane over time, one might last longer than the other, the jury's still out on that.

All of these are facts that can in logical reality coexist but apparently you are no longer allowed to believe anything that your "side" doesn't believe. "We don't know yet" is treated like some kind of suspicious or misleading statement, when it is just a factual reality. Data is being distorted and manipulated to push a political agenda.

I don't know how we get back to trusting science again. Our trust has been eroded by politics from every angle.

The science of Covid is performed by Medical Doctors, 96% of which are vaccinated. 96% of doctors are not liberal Democrats.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The science of Covid is performed by Medical Doctors, 96% of which are vaccinated. 96% of doctors are not liberal Democrats.

Link please.

Back in September, we had this gem:

Doctors Wary of Rushed COVID Vaccine

Only 17% of doctors say they will get a COVID-19 vaccine if it is authorized before all clinical trials have been completed, according to results of a Medscape poll.

www.webmd.com

Sept. 28, 2020 -- Only 17% of doctors say they will get a COVID-19 vaccine if it is authorized before all clinical trials have been completed, according to results of a Medscape poll.

The poll asked doctors and nurses how likely they were to order or use treatments or vaccines if the FDA grants emergency use authorization before phase III trials are completed.

The poll was first posted on Medscape.com on Sept. 2. Of those responding, 17% of doctors said they would order or use the vaccine; 63% said no; and 20% said they were unsure.

That's a wild claim to make, that since September it got to 96% ACTUALLY vaccinated when last year only 17% of physicians said they would actually take it.

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Many health care workers are refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine

"We have a lot more work to do to get health care workers to take the vaccine," one expert said of worker resistance to shots.

www.cbsnews.com

As many Americans scramble to arrange appointments for their first doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, some health care workers are declining to be inoculated.

A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective, according to a recent survey by Surgo Ventures, a non-profit group focused on solving health and social problems. Others in the health field worried the development of the vaccine had been rushed.

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We will wait on your evidence to support yet another outlandish claim.