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Covid Vaccine

And this. Weird if 96% of all doctors have taken the vaccine.

townhall.com

Top Doctors Speculate a Reversal on COVID Vaccine Safety Could Be Coming

Writing in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, UCLA Geffen School of Medicine Doctor Joseph Lapado and Yale School of Public Health Doctor Harvey Risch warn there are legitimate
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Writing in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, UCLA Geffen School of Medicine Doctor Joseph Lapado and Yale School of Public Health Doctor Harvey Risch warn there are legitimate and serious concerns about the side effects of the Wuhan coronavirus vaccine. They also worry vaccine politics could be preventing officials from telling Americans the truth about the risks.

"One remarkable aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic has been how often unpopular scientific ideas, from the lab-leak theory to the efficacy of masks, were initially dismissed, even ridiculed, only to resurface later in mainstream thinking. Differences of opinion have sometimes been rooted in disagreement over the underlying science. But the more common motivation has been political," they write. "Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now."

"The large clustering of certain adverse events immediately after vaccination is concerning, and the silence around these potential signals of harm reflects the politics surrounding Covid-19 vaccines. Stigmatizing such concerns is bad for scientific integrity and could harm patients," they continue.

Lapado and Risch don't simply state opinions; they back up their concerns with data and clinical experience.

"Four serious adverse events follow this arc, according to data taken directly from Vaers: low platelets (thrombocytopenia); noninfectious myocarditis, or heart inflammation, especially for those under 30; deep-vein thrombosis; and death. Vaers records 321 cases of myocarditis within five days of receiving a vaccination, falling to almost zero by 10 days. Prior research has shown that only a fraction of adverse events are reported, so the true number of cases is almost certainly higher. This tendency of underreporting is consistent with our clinical experience," they write. "Analyses to confirm or dismiss these findings should be performed using large data sets of health-insurance companies and healthcare organizations. The CDC and FDA are surely aware of these data patterns, yet neither agency has acknowledged the trend...the implication is that the risks of a Covid-19 vaccine may outweigh the benefits for certain low-risk populations, such as children, young adults and people who have recovered from Covid-19. This is especially true in regions with low levels of community spread, since the likelihood of illness depends on exposure risk."

Further, they point out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Dr. Anthony Fauci have advocated everyone should be vaccinated and yet haven't produced any scientific data showing vaccination for those with natural immunity would be beneficial.

"While you would never know it from listening to public-health officials, not a single published study has demonstrated that patients with a prior infection benefit from Covid-19 vaccination. That this isn’t readily acknowledged by the CDC or Anthony Fauci is an indication of how deeply entangled pandemic politics is in science," they say.

On the contrary, there are a number of peer reviewed studies that show natural immunity is effective against re-infection of the disease and its variants.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Link please.


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Back in September, we had this gem:

www.webmd.com

Doctors Wary of Rushed COVID Vaccine

Only 17% of doctors say they will get a COVID-19 vaccine if it is authorized before all clinical trials have been completed, according to results of a Medscape poll.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com

Sept. 28, 2020 -- Only 17% of doctors say they will get a COVID-19 vaccine if it is authorized before all clinical trials have been completed, according to results of a Medscape poll.

The poll asked doctors and nurses how likely they were to order or use treatments or vaccines if the FDA grants emergency use authorization before phase III trials are completed.

The poll was first posted on Medscape.com on Sept. 2. Of those responding, 17% of doctors said they would order or use the vaccine; 63% said no; and 20% said they were unsure.

That's a wild claim to make, that since September it got to 96% ACTUALLY vaccinated when last year only 17% of physicians said they would actually take it.

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www.cbsnews.com

Many health care workers are refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine

"We have a lot more work to do to get health care workers to take the vaccine," one expert said of worker resistance to shots.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

As many Americans scramble to arrange appointments for their first doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, some health care workers are declining to be inoculated.

A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective, according to a recent survey by Surgo Ventures, a non-profit group focused on solving health and social problems. Others in the health field worried the development of the vaccine had been rushed.

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We will wait on your evidence to support yet another outlandish claim.
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The American Medical Association released it a month ago. Not ******* 9 months ago like your pointless link. To think that only 17% of doctors were likely vaccinated shows how completely out of touch you are regarding the vaccine, Tim.
 
Troglodyte said:
The American Medical Association released it a month ago.
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then you should have no problem providing a link.
in fact, with all your claims going forward, start providing a link to back your statement up. otherwise, you're passing bad and misleading info. since you're one that applauds the deletion of misinformation and misleading information, i'll cater to you and delete your claims that are not backed up by links.
 
Superman said:
then you should have no problem providing a link.
in fact, with all your claims going forward, start providing a link to back your statement up. otherwise, you're passing bad and misleading info. since you're one that applauds the deletion of misinformation and misleading information, i'll cater to you and delete your claims that are not backed up by links.
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Well, won't be hearing much more from Flogs in this thread!
 
Superman said:
then you should have no problem providing a link.
in fact, with all your claims going forward, start providing a link to back your statement up. otherwise, you're passing bad and misleading info. since you're one that applauds the deletion of misinformation and misleading information, i'll cater to you and delete your claims that are not backed up by links.
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SuperLassie!
 
Oh, and a bit of data to the lying queefs claiming it's "Trump voters" refusing the Chinese flu vaccine.



20% identified as Republican, 41% identified as (D)imbos, 20% independents.

So stop with the endless garbage lying. Stop. Stop forcing the vaccine on Americans, stop threatening Americans, stop with your imbecilic obsession with forcing compliance. You idiots have MADE Americans hesitant to get the vaccine. Your ranting, hissy fits and threats have resulted in what every person with an intellect greater than a bowl of soup realized would happen - people become hesitant. "If the vaccine is so wonderful, why are you threatening me to force me to take it?"

So just stop with the ranting and the threats.
 
Troglodyte said:
The American Medical Association released it a month ago. Not ******* 9 months ago like your pointless link. To think that only 17% of doctors were likely vaccinated shows how completely out of touch you are regarding the vaccine, Tim.
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As I said, provide a link. What you say and what is reality is often galaxies apart.
 
Steeltime said:
Oh, and a bit of data to the lying queefs claiming it's "Trump voters" refusing the Chinese flu vaccine.

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This stops any further posts by any Libtard suggesting that only Red states, only Conservatives, and only Republicans are refusing vaccines. It is demonstrably FALSE.

In the spirit of Twitter and FascistBook, I suggest we adopt a policy to stop the spread of such disinformation and ban/delete any future posts that indicate this misinformation. Seems fair, yes? Since we live in a world of censoring.

All in favor say Aye?

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Now we need a decent mod who could manage this .....

:):cough cough:: SoOpid)
 
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Knowing that ~ 96% of physicians are vaccinated makes me feel a bit better about my decision.
 
Tibs said:
Sorry, Tim I meant 50%+. The 65-70% is closer to the goal, to begin thinking about herd immunity. We’re not there yet, but hopefully inching closer.

The disparity between states remains, hopefully the red states start catching up soon, and nobody gets left behind, figuratively & literally. (y)
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Our Independent Fact Checkers, using actual data like information from CNN and actual polling, shows there is ZERO link between political affiliation and vaccine hesitancy.

We therefore find this post to be rated 4 Pinocchios for being completely misleading and a dangerous source of misinformation

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Stainless said:
Knowing that ~ 96% of physicians are vaccinated makes me feel a bit better about my decision.
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I'm not sure if you are saying this in jest or in seriousness.

Flog can't seem to post a link to match his bullshit claim. Perhaps you have a source that validates this 96% number?
 
Stainless said:
I was being serious. I was curious and googled it.
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Can you supply a link?

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Oh I found it.

Yeah, not buying it. It was a survey. Of 301 physicians. Who were willing to take the WebMD poll. As IC said, 985,000 practicing physicians exist in the USA. 0.0003 took the poll.

That is in no way indicative of the medical population.


Back in January, CBS used this poll of 2,500 physicians which found

"Surgo polled more than 2,500 U.S. health care workers to assess their comfort in getting vaccinated. At the time of the survey, administered from December 17 to 30, 53% of respondents had been offered the vaccine. Of those workers, 15%, or almost 200 people polled, said they had refused to take the vaccine, with many claiming there is insufficient evidence the treatments are effective, despite assurances otherwise by federal and state health agencies and major pharmaceutical companies.
Another 24% cited personal safety concerns, while 16% said they thought the approval process was too rushed."

And if doctors are saying this....I'm not buying they would all simultaneously get the vaccines.

townhall.com

Top Doctors Speculate a Reversal on COVID Vaccine Safety Could Be Coming

Writing in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, UCLA Geffen School of Medicine Doctor Joseph Lapado and Yale School of Public Health Doctor Harvey Risch warn there are legitimate
townhall.com townhall.com
 
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Stainless said:
I’m not sure why it doesn’t show up, but my last post is clickable.
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Yeah, I edited my reply above.

Bottom line is that was a survey of 301 doctors who were willing to respond to a WebMD survey...out of 985K physicians - 0.0003. You can't put any weight into a survey with a sample size that small I don't believe. I wouldn't. Not given the other information I posted from the same community. Doesn't add up.
 
Stainless said:
I was being serious. I was curious and googled it.
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You realize that basically every medical facility in America told doctors and nurses to get the vaccine or get fired, right? And that hospitals and medical clinics will not allow the unvaccinated to work at the facilities?

So saying 96% of doctors are vaccinated is like saying 96% of the people at the DMV have matters related to vehicle registration, driver's licenses, ID cards, change of address, accident reports or DMV hearings.

Again, the vastly unenlightened seem to believe that I am advocating against the Chinese flu vaccine to protect us from a virus made in a lab in China. That is absolutely false. Here is my position:
  • The vaccine is incredibly important for anybody with a potential co-morbidity or in a risk group, namely those 60 and over, the obese, those with diabetes, COPD, emphysema, etc. In that group? Get the vaccine.
  • The vaccine is less important, but still very important, for those ages 18-59 who have a potential co-morbidity such as obesity, diabetes, COPD, etc. In that group? Get the vaccine.
  • Ages 30 to 50 and healthy? Ehh, sure. If you want.
  • Had the virus and recovered? No need for the vaccine. Why take it and risk the side effects, no matter how small the possibility. Look, if you don't have hypertension, no competent doctor would ever tell you to take medication to treat hypertension, no matter that such medications rarely have bad side effects.
  • Under the age of 18 and healthy? Probably not worth it. The chances of myocarditis or pericarditis seem greater than the risks from the lab-made Chinese flu.
  • Also, stop lying about the potential side effects. Just stop. Tell the truth for once about the ******* lab-made Chinese flu. ONCE.
 
TimSteelersfan & Steeltime seem hellbent on having the *maximum* number of casualties from this worldwide pandemic. They're going out of their way, bending over backwards to spread as much misleading information as they can, to get as many Americans killed as possible. So strange to see the innerworkings of a death cult, but here we are.

edit- had to add Steeltime too. He works too hard, logs too many hours, to not get a shout out here for his efforts. Tim & Steeltime truly are partners in crime, wishing as much death & destruction as possible, upon the good people of this land. Take a bow, gents.
 
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Tibs said:
TimSteelersfan & Steeltime seem hellbent on having the *maximum* number of casualties from this worldwide pandemic. They're going out of their way, bending over backwards to spread as much misleading information as they can, to get as many Americans killed as possible. So strange to see the innerworkings of a death cult, but here we are.

edit- had to add Steeltime too. He works too hard, logs too many hours, to not get a shout out here for his efforts. Tim & Steeltime truly are partners in crime, wishing as much death & destruction as possible, upon the good people of this land. Take a bow, gents.
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that is what you take from their postings?
there clearly is a lost-in-translation segue in their typing and your understanding.
 
Tibs said:
TimSteelersfan & Steeltime seem hellbent on having the *maximum* number of casualties from this worldwide pandemic. They're going out of their way, bending over backwards to spread as much misleading information as they can, to get as many Americans killed as possible. So strange to see the innerworkings of a death cult, but here we are.

edit- had to add Steeltime too. He works too hard, logs too many hours, to not get a shout out here for his efforts. Tim & Steeltime truly are partners in crime, wishing as much death & destruction as possible, upon the good people of this land. Take a bow, gents.
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Tibs said:
TimSteelersfan & Steeltime seem hellbent on having the *maximum* number of casualties from this worldwide pandemic. They're going out of their way, bending over backwards to spread as much misleading information as they can, to get as many Americans killed as possible. So strange to see the innerworkings of a death cult, but here we are.

edit- had to add Steeltime too. He works too hard, logs too many hours, to not get a shout out here for his efforts. Tim & Steeltime truly are partners in crime, wishing as much death & destruction as possible, upon the good people of this land. Take a bow, gents.
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Your reality has always been warped. Off-center. Extreme from the norm. So I'm not surprised by this drivel.

You fail to realize there are two sides to this issue. There are the lives COVID takes, and there are the lives the fight against COVID takes/destroys. There are also opinions on addressing COVID that range from selected targeting and protecting the most vulnerable to the draconian, extreme position of making the entire universe subscribe to lockdowns, treatments, vaccines.

I'm fortunate to not have lost a single person I know or know of to COVID. To the contrary, I've seen countless lives ruined by COVID personally. Or damaged severely. My parents have eroded over the past year so fast it's scary. My stepfather just recovered from an emergency surgery and my mother is now in need of hospice (not because she's dying but because she can no longer care for herself). They lived for trips to see us, to be with their family. Not being able to for a year quite literally has taken years off of their life. They have eroded and are both not long for this earth. I have friends whose parents are suffering the same fate right now. Dying in front of their eyes because COVID took their lives they lived from them. COVID lockdowns have literally killed more than we will ever know because it sapped life right out of them. All in the spirit of protecting them, the people that really just want to live their twilight years.

I know countless people who have lost their jobs. Some who have had to foreclose. Or move to other states. Some who are obviously fighting depression and a difficult road back to normalcy. I watched COVID destroy my son's opportunity to play college basketball, to find him several times alone in dark rooms crying, suffering mental health pressures from the lack of socialization. He's 18. I know local store owners who lost everything as their businesses closed.

Those are stories I have seen first hand.

The toll our approach to treating COVID had is real and it was incredibly damaging. People died. People are still dying from it and it will be many many years before we truly understand the toll. Death rates were up last year in all categories because people couldn't get healthcare. Businesses destroyed, fortunes lost, depression, on and on.

There was always a middle ground. To protect those most vulnerable. Look at the extremes. Do nothing is one end of the spectrum. Locking everyone in their homes, shutting down travel and businesses, and forcing vaccination is the other extreme. The middle is where we should be. Protecting the vulnerable. Letting the invulnerable live and enjoy their lives and provide for their families.

With all of the data that has come out, THAT is where we should have been all along. For those 60 and under, the flu is more deadly. Those are facts. Yet we have taken the extreme all or nothing position and harmed everyone. Unnecessarily.

Yet you still advocate for the most extreme measures for a virus that is causing deaths at a level that is now a statistical anomaly. Bravo.

People like Steeltime and I advocate for the both sides. You fail to see this. None of us want another person to die from COVID. We just see the cost benefit ratio and assumed risks you refuse to even consider. That there are tradeoffs in life. For every action there is a reaction. The actions we have taken have caused untold negative reactions that must be weighed, which you will not.

No Tibs, we advocate for both sides...those who may suffer from COVID AND those who are suffering because of the extreme measures we have taken.

That's called balance. We are in the middle. We are for vaccines, just not vaccines for all. We are for lockdowns, but only for those needing to be protected. We are for the intelligent middle ground that has been used throughout history to balance the needs to live life while avoiding loss of life.

You're in the camp of the extreme.
 
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