Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yeah, healthcare workers aren’t necessarily doctors. The difference between a doctor and a medical assistant is 10-14 years of college and residency.

And margin of error goes both ways. If 300 isn’t a large enough sample size, it’s also possible 96% is too low.

You said doctors. That survey sampled 301 "willing" doctors who chose to take a WebMD survey. I deal with surveys. There's a bias even in the groups that are willing to do surveys v those who aren't.

Saying 301 doctors represent 985,000 is stupid. Plain and simple. Given the information I've shared where collectives of doctors AND healthcare professionals are refusing them, given collectives of doctors are predicting vaccine reversals, we aren't buying your theory.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

What on earth does any of *that* have to do with vaccines? Answer: nothing. When you're spinning in a downward spiral, constantly grasping at straws, you reach a point where you've lost your bearings on true north. Literally nothing makes sense anymore. It's an all-in, profuse, sweat-drenched circular argument leading nowhere fast.

You said one side wants to save lives, the other doesn't. I'm pointing out the damned obvious. You only care about lives lost due to COVID the virus. You don't care about lives lost because of the way this country has attempted to beat the virus. Lockdowns, masking, untested-vaccines.

If you weren't such an extremist, you'd care about lives on both sides of the equation. You don't. You're no different than a BLM grifter.

 

[Stoney]

A month or two ago it was estimated that roughly half of the people working at the CDC and NIH remained unvaccinated.

The spin doctors in the MSM did everything they could to suggest that those people hadn't' 'refused' the vaccine. As if we should believe that at a time when every employee at CVS and Walgreens who wanted the vaccine had gotten it, somehow CDC and NIH employees didn't have access. Or maybe 40% percent of the people who work at those institutions were unable to fit it into their schedules up to that time.

Are those people wanton murderers, trying to maximize the death totals from covid? Are they uneducated boobs, not possessing the critical thinking skills or medical knowledge of Trog or Tibs? Have they not had the time to obtain their medical degrees via Google, the way so many others have in the past 12-14 months?


You decided to get the vaccine, congratulations. Now get over yourself. It doesn't make you any more intelligent or virtuous than anyone who has chosen not to get it. Many highly educated people, even in the medical community, have decided not to get it, or at least wait a while longer before making their final decision. Reading the highly filtered and biased info available via Google, or having a friend who does laundry at a hospital, doesn't give you the right to judge people who have made a different decision for themselves. So just go drive your bus, design your websites, stock your shelves or whatever the **** else it is that you do, and mind your own ******* business.

 

[SteelChip]

Prediction.........

 

[IndySteel]

20 Year Old Wayne State University Pre-Med Student Hadley Huffman Dies Unexpectedly After Covid Shot​

Hadley Huffman of Michigan passed away unexpectedly on June 15, 2021 not long after her second covid shot. Family and friends shared their grievances on social media and we are thankful they did. There are many stories like Hadley’s going untold at the moment, and it is problematic.

Hadley appeared to be fit and active. She was obviously health conscience after having transferred from University of Arizona to be enrolled in a pre-med program at Wayne State University in Michigan. She had a bright future, and her life was taken too soon.
Hadley is said to have been a social butterfly with a magnetic personality. Her personality lit up a room. She was the type of person who had never met a stranger. She joined many causes, fought for equality, and had friends all over the world.
According to her obituary Hadley also started the Students Against Medical Racism Non-profit (SAMR) at Wayne State to bring attention to the injustices in medical access for bi-racial and people of color (BIPOC).

It is unclear what brand of vaccine Hadley was injected with but if I had to guess, I would predict that she had Pfizer due to their presence in Michigan. We do know that she had two doses and that she had hopes of things getting back to normal after her vaccination.

The timing of Hadley’s death is similar to that of 13 year old Jacob Clynick, who was also from Michigan. He died in June three days after a Pfizer shot that he received from a Walgreens.
Jacob is said to have died in his sleep and had no known health issues. He was on no medication at the time of his death, according to his Aunt.

 

[Superman]

eh, no big deal.
/FlogTibs21

 

[Steeler Pride]

eh, no big deal.
/FlogTibs21

Eh, collateral damage to those Darwin award winners. I would like to see a study done in 2-3 years that compares those people under the age of 20 that were hospitalized and/or died FROM Covid vs. those that have had serious health complications and or death after receiving a vaccine. I have a strong suspicion that the study will never be completed and if it were, the results would never be made public.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Eh, collateral damage to those Darwin award winners. I would like to see a study done in 2-3 years that compares those people under the age of 20 that were hospitalized and/or died FROM Covid vs. those that have had serious health complications and or death after receiving a vaccine. I have a strong suspicion that the study will never be completed and if it were, the results would never be made public.

I want to see, in several years, more data. Specifically, doctors have said in one of the articles I posted that the # of vaccine adverse events is specifically under-reported - maybe even substantially. This is another problem with VAERS. It's not formal, not all events are reported. So as of today we have like 6k-7k deaths reported on VAERS related to the vaccines. Could be 10K, 12K, 9K. Who knows.

Don't forget, these vaccines still have in 8 months more adverse effects than 70 other vaccines combined over 30 total years. I don't care the total number of adverse events is still "rare" and "unlikely." Compared to the safety of other vaccines, that is an abomination. They are vastly more dangerous than your normal vaccines.

Again, for a virus that is only the flu for those 60 and under.

 

[Steeler Pride]

My other question for Fauci, Birx, or any other Communicable disease expert is why in the fall of 2020, before the vaccine was available was there not a massive push to get everyone tested for Covid antibodies? Wouldn't knowing an accurate number of people already having natural immunity to the virus be highly beneficial in knowing where you stand as a country? For a group that keeps preaching about following the science, maybe if science hadn't acted woefully incompetent people could and would trust the science over the politics. The fact that this has become politicized is a direct result of the performance by the scientific community in their handling of the pandemic.

 

[Troglodyte]

You said doctors. That survey sampled 301 "willing" doctors who chose to take a WebMD survey. I deal with surveys. There's a bias even in the groups that are willing to do surveys v those who aren't.

Saying 301 doctors represent 985,000 is stupid. Plain and simple. Given the information I've shared where collectives of doctors AND healthcare professionals are refusing them, given collectives of doctors are predicting vaccine reversals, we aren't buying your theory.

Doctors is key IMO, as they are highly educated and less likely to be influenced by misinformation, conspiracy theories and hysteria. A medical assistant (also a healthcare worker) might quit to work at McDonalds for more pay, I really don’t care about their opinion regarding the vaccine.

Bias is assuming that people wiling to participate in a survey would be pro-vaccine. 12 of the 301 docs said they weren’t vaccinated. Maybe they were motivated to be the voice of the minority? Again, margin of error works both ways.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Doctors is key IMO, as they are highly educated and less likely to be influenced by misinformation, conspiracy theories and hysteria. A medical assistant (also a healthcare worker) might quit to work at McDonalds for more pay, I really don’t care about their opinion regarding the vaccine.

Bias is assuming that people wiling to participate in a survey would be pro-vaccine. 12 of the 301 docs said they weren’t vaccinated. Maybe they were motivated to be the voice of the minority? Again, margin of error works both ways.

Imagine that, someone on the left painting an entire group of of people with a broad brush just so you can deny or alienate their opinions if they differ from yours. Never would have seen that coming, it is almost "deplorable".

 

[Troglodyte]

Imagine that, someone on the left painting an entire group of of people with a broad brush just so you can deny or alienate their opinions if they differ from yours. Never would have seen that coming, it is almost "deplorable".

Who says they differ? I bet most MAs have received the vaccine. It has nothing to do with differing opinions, it has to do with their qualification.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Who says they differ? I bet most MAs have received the vaccine. It has nothing to do with differing opinions, it has to do with their qualification.

So you get to decide what the minimum qualifications are for an opinion...so, since only Dr.'s opinions are qualified, what about RNP's or RN's? Again, you are demeaning plenty of medical professionals simply so you can cherry pick the data that you want.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Doctors is key IMO, as they are highly educated and less likely to be influenced by misinformation, conspiracy theories and hysteria.

Great. Provide any real evidence that 96% of them are vaccinated. Provide any link that supports what % of doctors have voluntarily taken it.

We've presented in this thread and the other, hundreds, if not thousands of Medical Doctors opinions on all things COVID. You've wholly dismissed them all as quacks, unless they sing from your sheet of music.

Now...Doctors are all 100% geniuses. Got it.

A medical assistant (also a healthcare worker) might quit to work at McDonalds for more pay, I really don’t care about their opinion regarding the vaccine.

You only care about opinions that support yours. Doctors that say masks don't work, you don't care about their opinions. Doctors that say they are concerned about the vaccines, you don't care about their opinions. You only care about opinions that confirm your biases.

Bias is assuming that people wiling to participate in a survey would be pro-vaccine.

I didn't assume, say, nor indicate that. There is a bias in surveying based upon those who are willing v those who are not. Two different mind sets. It was a voluntary survey run by WebMD, no different than Amazon asking you to take a quick survey after purchasing your panty liners. The people who respond are a different group of people than those who do not. You know, like busy doctors.

12 of the 301 docs said they weren’t vaccinated. Maybe they were motivated to be the voice of the minority? Again, margin of error works both ways.

Thank you for admitting the survey is full of bias. Maybe they were trying to destroy the results of the survey? Maybe they were pretending to be monkeys. Lot's of maybes.

Thus, we have concluded, 301 out of 985,000 physicians, including the biases, make the statement 96% of physicians are vaccinated a massive wild stretch. It's akin to sharing false mortality rates for COVID, or saying the border is secure, or climate change brought down the condo in Florida.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I bet most MAs have received the vaccine.

So now you're betting. Before you knew. Still never a single linky to support a damn thing you "know"

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So you get to decide what the minimum qualifications are for an opinion...so, since only Dr.'s opinions are qualified, what about RNP's or RN's? Again, you are demeaning plenty of medical professionals simply so you can cherry pick the data that you want.

That's not fair SP. He doesn't even trust all doctors. We have presented him with hundreds of thousands (if you include large studies) of medical opinions. When a doctor disagrees with what PMSNBC tells him to think, he doesn't trust that doctor either. Those are quacks.

Only a certain subset of physicians matter to Flog ---> Liberal doctors.

 

[Tibs]

 

[Tibs]

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

So now you're betting. Before you knew. Still never a single linky to support a damn thing you "know"

Betting?!? Stealtime is you man

 

[Tibs]

Troubling news abounds, from multiple countries in Europe to red states in the US. At this rate, this **** is never gonna end. ****.

 

[Steelworth]

Well you should be good in your basement with no human contact other than trolling this board, Tiborat.

You have that going for you, which is nice.

 

[Badcat]

Troubling news abounds, from multiple countries in Europe to red states in the US. At this rate, this **** is never gonna end. ****.

Go Florida! BTW...I don't care how many cases are rising, it means herd immunity for those who will likely survive (99.97% survival rate). Meanwhile, too many young adults are dying from the vaccine.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Wow. This is fascinating to me. We have had (I was previously wrong, not 380) 324 deaths ages 0-17 as an entire nation.



Now Jackson, MS has 12 "kids" on life support?? Not saying I won't believe it if true, but I find this pretty damned hard to believe.

I also find this graph from that tweet interesting:



We are now reporting COVID-LIKE illnesses as COVID. That seems legit.

Finally from the same hospital system. They say 7% of their deaths come from the vaccinated. Do the vaccines work or do they not? I'm having it pounded into my head all day long 24/7 everywhere I turn that these vaccines are miracle drugs.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Troubling news abounds, from multiple countries in Europe to red states in the US. At this rate, this **** is never gonna end. ****.

Our independent fact checkers have reviewed your post and determine it to be false. It has been established in surveys and reported by CNN that there is zero correlation between vaccination status and political affiliation.

 

[Steelworth]

Troubling news abounds, from multiple countries in Europe to red states in the US. At this rate, this **** is never gonna end. ****.

Dust wand = 'delta variant'

Black & white cat = Tiborat