Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Spiraling out of control??? LMAO. If ever a statement embodied the word "hyperbole" this is it.

Our 7 day rolling average for deaths is 267 a day. STILL not a leading cause of death in the USA. Still less than June and FAR less than where we were in May. Deaths is the ultimate measure, and COVID simply is still not killing anywhere remotely near the #of people it was a year ago.

A couple years ago, we lost 80,000 people to the flu. That's 219 people a day. The reality is, most of those were lost in a 6 month span, so double that figure.

Perspective. This is no where remotely, closely near to "spiraling out of control."

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in the U.S. - STAT

In recent years, flu-related deaths have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

www.statnews.com

Did he even mention deaths? Did you read the article? 600k died, but the entire world was wearing masks and dealing with restrictions. You, in particular, REALLY struggled with it. Bitched like a high maintenance princess. Please spare us any incredulity when it returns.

 

[Steelworth]

Now this is a vax I would gladly take. mRNA vaccines may be the future but right now there are too many unknown variables.

This is exactly where I'm at. Not sure how many times it needs to be stated though. Not touching mRNA as it is.

 

[Steeltime]

Did he even mention deaths? Did you read the article? 600k died, but the entire world was wearing masks and dealing with restrictions. You, in particular, REALLY struggled with it. Bitched like a high maintenance princess. Please spare us any incredulity when it returns.

Maybe because Tim is not a spoiled **** who made bank on the Chinese flu and instead lost income, and not someone who loves how good traffic is because of the Chinese flu, not someone who loved the lockdowns because he is a stupid fat **** with no social life and the Chinese flu did not hurt his Netlfix hours, and who despite making coin on the Chinese flu remains a cheap **** unwilling to contribute to the site he pollutes with a regularity greater than a metronome with OCD.

You know somebody like that?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Did he even mention deaths? Did you read the article? 600k died, but the entire world was wearing masks and dealing with restrictions. You, in particular, REALLY struggled with it. Bitched like a high maintenance princess. Please spare us any incredulity when it returns.

I don't care what he mentioned, I'm staying rational about all of this. The ultimate measure of this virus IS DEATHS. We have millions of cold cases per year. We don't shut down the world.

This virus is now at the point that it is comparable to the flu. You can scream and yell about cases all you want. You can continue to warn that deaths lag cases. So far, after two weeks of rising cases, deaths are NOT rising.

Therefore, dipshit, we still have little to fear and life should go on.

 

[oneforthebus]

A 30% profit margin is HUGE. Really big.

Non-profitable means they make no money. They make money even on the flu vax.

I read your post, using non-profitable, literally - make no money..

I was talking about vaccines in general in that conversation.
Look the reality is you either believe pharma companies are these evil entities who care about the almighty dollar over harming people, or you don’t. I don’t, if you do I probably won’t change your mind. On balance the benefit to society of the pharma industry vs the harm it’s done is overwhelmingly weighted to the former in my opinion. The harm is almost never intentional. Once again, medicine is an inexact science. It would be great if it wasn’t but that’s just not the case and never will be. Perhaps you long for a society where companies who save millions of lives can be punished for things that are rare and largely out of their control to the extent that they stop researching and developing new lifesaving treatments. Having three kids who probably wouldn’t be alive today without incredible medical and pharmaceutical advances, I don’t share that desire.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don't care what he mentioned, I'm staying rational about all of this. The ultimate measure of this virus IS DEATHS. We have millions of cold cases per year. We don't shut down the world.

This virus is now at the point that it is comparable to the flu. You can scream and yell about cases all you want. You can continue to warn that deaths lag cases. So far, after two weeks of rising cases, deaths are NOT rising.

Therefore, dipshit, we still have little to fear and life should go on.

on the subject of deaths. Does anybody know what the actual raw number of deaths was in 2020 compared to 2019? I'm not setting something, up just asking. I don;t believe i heard that stat anywhere which makes me this they probably ended up being close.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Look the reality is you either believe pharma companies are these evil entities who care about the almighty dollar over harming people, or you don’t.

I don't share your opinion that it is this binary. Either, or.

The answer lies somewhere in between.

I believe that pharma has been a huge life saving issue for mankind for which I am grateful.

I likewise believe pharma has killed many. As you have said, this is an acceptable risk we all must assume for overall well being of humanity.

However, there are gray areas that lie in-between that must be considered. It is absolutely not black and white. I do have a problem with the pharmas being 100% exempt from any lawsuits and damages that may result from the effects of these vaccines. There should be some level of liability they assume from their profits to benefit those who have died as a direct result from what they are putting into people. A small %.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

on the subject of deaths. Does anybody know what the actual raw number of deaths was in 2020 compared to 2019? I'm not setting something, up just asking. I don;t believe i heard that stat anywhere which makes me this they probably ended up being close.

I'm not sure I understand your question? Raw deaths from COVID? Overall mortality in the USA?

 

[Superman]

Tiblio don't care about those COVID cases. Those are COVID cases being carried in by southern border immigrants. Since they are future voters, we must assume the risk as Americans with the COVID they bring into this country.

Case in point.....

(do not expect to hear Tiblio or Floggy complain about this)

Illegal border crossings continue to spike, as do COVID cases | FOX 28 Spokane

(The Center Square) – Rio Grande Valley Sector Chief Patrol Agent Brian Hastings reported that his sector at the Texas-Mexico border alone took into custody more than 15,000 illegal immigrants in one week, the most so far this year. In the same sector, agents saw a 900% increase in those being...

www.fox28spokane.com

(The Center Square) – Rio Grande Valley Sector Chief Patrol Agent Brian Hastings reported that his sector at the Texas-Mexico border alone took into custody more than 15,000 illegal immigrants in one week, the most so far this year.

In the same sector, agents saw a 900% increase in those being detained who tested positive for the coronavirus.

“Even with the spread of the COVID-19 virus, human smugglers continue to try these brazen attempts with zero regard for the lives they endanger, nor to the health of the citizens of our great nation,” the RGV Border Patrol Sector said in a statement...


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The number of people being detained who have tested positive for COVID-19 in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector alone has increased by 900%.

In the first two weeks of July, 135 people being detained tested positive for COVID-19, a 900% increase in confirmed positive cases compared to the previous 14 months, Fox News reported.

so what we should be doing is closing the borders to prevent those innocent hard-working migrants from catching our yt-supremacist strain of Rona.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

so what we should be doing is closing the borders to prevent those innocent hard-working migrants from catching our yt-supremacist strain of Rona.

I suppose you could flavor it that way. Could work.

"We are better than this. This is not who America is, this is not what we are...to let these Guatemalans and Hondurans into this country, only to contract our COVID and die. We must turn them away because that's what loving, caring people do be do."​

 

[Troglodyte]

I don't care what he mentioned, I'm staying rational about all of this. The ultimate measure of this virus IS DEATHS. We have millions of cold cases per year. We don't shut down the world.

This virus is now at the point that it is comparable to the flu. You can scream and yell about cases all you want. You can continue to warn that deaths lag cases. So far, after two weeks of rising cases, deaths are NOT rising.

Therefore, dipshit, we still have little to fear and life should go on.

Little to fear except a vaccine that 150 million people have received without severe side effects, right?

You’re not being rational at all about the vaccine. You point to .0018 percent of people dying from Covid when only .000016 have died after getting vaccinated.

You’re extraordinarily slow to recognize trends. Cases have been rising for a month now, not two weeks. Deaths are also rising. They hit a low a couple weeks ago when you were denying that cases were rising, now they’re up 20%. Almost all of them completely avoidable.

 

[Superman]

 

[Steelworth]

Little to fear except a vaccine that 150 million people have received without severe side effects, right?

Again, why do you care about the unvaccinated if the vaccine works? It's not harming you or any of the vaccinated right? It's just thinning the herd of anti-vaxxers in your little binary world, right? And please don't come back with a "the children are our future" nonsense post. The flu has shown to be more of a risk to children than this.

 

[Steelersreign]

on the subject of deaths. Does anybody know what the actual raw number of deaths was in 2020 compared to 2019? I'm not setting something, up just asking. I don;t believe i heard that stat anywhere which makes me this they probably ended up being close.

2019 deaths

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

2020 deaths

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death

www.cdc.gov

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Little to fear except a vaccine that 150 million people have received without severe side effects, right?

Yep. Likewise, you have a 99.58% chance of not dying from COVID. Little to fear.

You’re not being rational at all about the vaccine.

I'm being 100% rational about it. My family has had COVID. Natural immunity, which right the moment appears to be kicking the *** of vaccinated people. That's rational thinking. Why get vaccinated if you've had COVID? No reason.

Why vaccinate the youth when they have a 0.000004 chance of death from COVID? Rational thinking.

Why inject an mRNA untested vaccine into your body, the long term effects of which are unknown, when a normal, properly tested vaccine from Novavax will be here in maybe 2 months, definitely within 3Q? Rational thinking.

You point to .0018 percent of people dying from Covid when only .000016 have died after getting vaccinated.

Yet. Who knows what will happen. You all are the test bed.

In addition, see the prior article I posted where there is a lawsuit arguing there have been as many as 45K deaths, which points out that VAERS is but one system logging these adverse events. There are others they have analyzed. VAERS is voluntary. A death within 3 days of the vax does not have to posted to VAERS. Their analysis from 3+ major systems show many more.

Citing the figures you have is premature.

And thanks again for pointing out the argument we have all been making. I'll repeat it for the 993rd time for you. You have a miniscule chance of dying from COVID. You have a miniscule chance of dying from the VAX. People should have the right to make that choice. My body, my choice.

I've made mine and I'll get Novavax, if I need it after my antibody testing results.

You’re extraordinarily slow to recognize trends. Cases have been rising for a month now, not two weeks. Deaths are also rising. They hit a low a couple weeks ago when you were denying that cases were rising, now they’re up 20%. Almost all of them completely avoidable.

Provide any data that supports your faulty claim. Any. I gave you raw data. I'll give it to you again today:

Here is a list of our 7 day deaths averages from CV19 since January 1:

Jan 1: 2,513
Jan 15: 3,307
Feb 1: 3,160
Feb 15: 2,475
March 1: 2,043
March 15: 1,397
April 1: 893
April 15: 750
May 1: 694
May 15: 604
June 1: 380
June 15: 354
July 1: 256
July 15: 280
July 24: 267

I see the trend. A precipitous fall in deaths from January. For the month of July, deaths have been stable - 256 on July 1, 280 on July 15, and a drop down to 267 as of yesterday.

Show me where deaths are rising. We have to increase in deaths 3 fold to get to where we were just 60 days ago.

 

[Troglodyte]

Yep. Likewise, you have a 99.58% chance of not dying from COVID. Little to fear.



I'm being 100% rational about it. My family has had COVID. Natural immunity, which right the moment appears to be kicking the *** of vaccinated people. That's rational thinking. Why get vaccinated if you've had COVID? No reason.

Why vaccinate the youth when they have a 0.000004 chance of death from COVID? Rational thinking.

Why inject an mRNA untested vaccine into your body, the long term effects of which are unknown, when a normal, properly tested vaccine from Novavax will be here in maybe 2 months, definitely within 3Q? Rational thinking.



Yet. Who knows what will happen. You all are the test bed.

In addition, see the prior article I posted where there is a lawsuit arguing there have been as many as 45K deaths, which points out that VAERS is but one system logging these adverse events. There are others they have analyzed. VAERS is voluntary. A death within 3 days of the vax does not have to posted to VAERS. Their analysis from 3+ major systems show many more.

Citing the figures you have is premature.

And thanks again for pointing out the argument we have all been making. I'll repeat it for the 993rd time for you. You have a miniscule chance of dying from COVID. You have a miniscule chance of dying from the VAX. People should have the right to make that choice. My body, my choice.

I've made mine and I'll get Novavax, if I need it after my antibody testing results.


Provide any data that supports your faulty claim. Any. I gave you raw data. I'll give it to you again today:

Here is a list of our 7 day deaths averages from CV19 since January 1:

Jan 1: 2,513
Jan 15: 3,307
Feb 1: 3,160
Feb 15: 2,475
March 1: 2,043
March 15: 1,397
April 1: 893
April 15: 750
May 1: 694
May 15: 604
June 1: 380
June 15: 354
July 1: 256
July 15: 280
July 24: 267

I see the trend. A precipitous fall in deaths from January. For the month of July, deaths have been stable - 256 on July 1, 280 on July 15, and a drop down to 267 as of yesterday.

Show me where deaths are rising. We have to increase in deaths 3 fold to get to where we were just 60 days ago.

July 6: 188
July 24: 267

Let’s see where deaths are in 7 and 14 days. Again, almost all of them avoidable.

 

[Superman]

July 6: 188
July 24: 267

Let’s see where deaths are in 7 and 14 days. Again, almost all of them avoidable.

link?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Tim, do you think the FDA will give Novavax the green light? I don’t know why I have this funny feeling they won’t give them the temp emergency order because of the others out there and make them wait till full approval. Sounds ****** up but I just have that feeling

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

July 6: 188
July 24: 267

Let’s see where deaths are in 7 and 14 days. Again, almost all of them avoidable.

You're cherry picking data to abuse stats. LMAO. It's the "trend" as you say. So you're looking for the lowest day so as to make the recent days look bad LMAO.

What a joke. These are absolute #s, not 7 day averages (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

July 1 - 321
July 2 - 330
July 3 - 161
July 4 - 119
July 5 - 125
July 6 - 247
July 7 - 281
July 8 - 355
July 9 - 327
July 10 - 195
July 11 - 118
July 12 - 212
July 13 - 336
July 14 - 381
July 15 - 365
July 16 - 298
July 17 - 189
July 18 - 110
July 19 - 136
July 20 - 272
July 21 - 430
July 22 - 393
July 23 - 332
July 24 - 151
July 25 - 49

There's a reason they use 7 day averages. To normalize lags in reported data, over reporting on some days like Mondays after weekends, etc. Those are the absolutes. I've given you 7 day averages. You can't make a case that deaths are rising in either manner - absolute numbers or 7 day averages.

There is no rise in deaths. You're spreading fear porn. Could there be next week? Perhaps. I know you don't read graphs well, but a 3rd grader can see this trend.





And one more perspective, to put into perspective, where we are today with deaths compared to the whole 16 or 17 months...follow the red line. We are, today, in an amazing place as compared to where we have been. Our lowest level of deaths continuously for any period of the pandemic.


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[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim, do you think the FDA will give Novavax the green light? I don’t know why I have this funny feeling they won’t give them the temp emergency order because of the others out there and make them wait till full approval. Sounds ****** up but I just have that feeling

I don't know, honestly. I hope they do the right thing. If they don't give them approval, then I'm going full Wig and saying something is up.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I don't know, honestly. I hope they do the right thing. If they don't give them approval, then I'm going full Wig and saying something is up.

Ooo don’t do that, well at least it’s not going full Ark.

 

[Badcat]

Tim, do you think the FDA will give Novavax the green light? I don’t know why I have this funny feeling they won’t give them the temp emergency order because of the others out there and make them wait till full approval. Sounds ****** up but I just have that feeling

I'm with Tim, If they don't approve it then something is DEFINATELY nefarious with the mRNA programs. The only other reason as to why it wouldn't be approved is that the similar J&J vaccine had issues.

 

[Troglodyte]

You're cherry picking data to abuse stats. LMAO. It's the "trend" as you say. So you're looking for the lowest day so as to make the recent days look bad LMAO.

What a joke. These are absolute #s, not 7 day averages (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

July 1 - 321
July 2 - 330
July 3 - 161
July 4 - 119
July 5 - 125
July 6 - 247
July 7 - 281
July 8 - 355
July 9 - 327
July 10 - 195
July 11 - 118
July 12 - 212
July 13 - 336
July 14 - 381
July 15 - 365
July 16 - 298
July 17 - 189
July 18 - 110
July 19 - 136
July 20 - 272
July 21 - 430
July 22 - 393
July 23 - 332
July 24 - 151
July 25 - 49

There's a reason they use 7 day averages. To normalize lags in reported data, over reporting on some days like Mondays after weekends, etc. Those are the absolutes. I've given you 7 day averages. You can't make a case that deaths are rising in either manner - absolute numbers or 7 day averages.

There is no rise in deaths. You're spreading fear porn. Could there be next week? Perhaps. I know you don't read graphs well, but a 3rd grader can see this trend.

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And one more perspective, to put into perspective, where we are today with deaths compared to the whole 16 or 17 months...follow the red line. We are, today, in an amazing place as compared to where we have been. Our lowest level of deaths continuously for any period of the pandemic.

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I didn’t cherry pick anything. The reason I used July 6th is that it was the lowest 7 day average since early in the pandemic. Again, let’s see what happens in the coming weeks. Are you on record as saying deaths won’t go up? Of course not, right?

And what is your source that there is no need to get the vaccine if you’ve had Covid? Everything I see recommends it…

If You’ve Had COVID-19, Do You Really Need The Vaccine? | Hartford HealthCare | CT

<p>If you’ve had COVID-19, you’ll still need the vaccine for full protection from the virus. But it’s looking more and…</p>

hartfordhealthcare.org

 

[Badcat]

I didn’t cherry pick anything. The reason I used July 6th is that it was the lowest 7 day average since early in the pandemic. Again, let’s see what happens in the coming weeks. Are you on record as saying deaths won’t go up? Of course not, right?

And what is your source that there is no need to get the vaccine if you’ve had Covid? Everything I see recommends it…

If You’ve Had COVID-19, Do You Really Need The Vaccine? | Hartford HealthCare | CT

<p>If you’ve had COVID-19, you’ll still need the vaccine for full protection from the virus. But it’s looking more and…</p>

hartfordhealthcare.org