Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

i just wish there was a unified unbiased group in charge of data acquisition for pandemics like this… just hire some actual statistics based guys with no political affiliation for setting policy regarding testing and what data to track and release…

all of this is so politically charged right now… I dont think we are getting great data because a quarter of the states won’t release data, and those are mostly big population ones, then everyone correctly bitched about testing but once testing became simple they didn’t do large scale testing to adequately judge how widespread things were, there are probably two dozen problems with the data… they could easily have been more forthcoming and less combative about releasing studies submitted directly to them…

tge reality is people should have access to all the data to make informed decisions… as it is they are directing data down paths they think will be best… that gets dangerous especially since the counter agenda releases equally politically charged data that makes it hard to get a real picture

 

[oneforthebus]

It's too bad it all became so political. But I actually think the resistance to the vaccine is multifaceted and not just a red/blue thing.

 

[madinsomniac]

A mere four days ago, Lindsey Graham mocked House Democrats for wearing masks.

At least he pulled his head out of Trump's *** long enough to get inoculated.

Tim was right about the cdc changing its stance on the viral transmission from solely large droplets to aerosols, meaning that mathematically while the masks will stop spittle to some extent, the cloth and surgical masks wont reduce small particle aerosols at all…

the math gets weird because viruses on small particles can sometimes die quickly, and its very hard to test actual transmittable viral loads like it is with large droplets, but the science is very clear about aerosol viruses like measles and the ilk… bandannas, cloth masks, and surgical masks don’t effectively reduce aerosols at all

so if tge non rated masks were 50% or even the maximum 60% effective in reducing large droplets, then you still have to add 100% of the aerosol viral load to those numbers…

ill see if i can dig up the studies from pre pandemic viruses on this…. But the gist is that in indoor spaces even with social distancing, masks are virtually worthless… they provide a small reduction on the one side, but nothing against the airborne stuff that can stay in the air for hours and travel over large areas of space…

Also isnt lindsey graham a grandstanding dipshit? I mean thats been my lib friends take forever on him… propping him up is like the right championing AOC cause she got on board with one of their agendas… lol

 

[madinsomniac]

It's too bad it all became so political. But I actually think the resistance to the vaccine is multifaceted and not just a red/blue thing.

Yeah but there could have been a plan… put the mrna and modified virus stuff out asap for the most vulnerable, release them for anyone who wants to risk it, then have three or four traditional vaccines released so people have a wide choice with lots of data to go on

the way they are doing it feels like they are forcing certain companies products on the population while holding back others and its leading to too many conspiracy theories

( for tge record my only conspiracy theory is that politicians are crooked and get kickbacks…. But thats no theory lol)

 

[oneforthebus]

Yeah but there could have been a plan… put the mrna and modified virus stuff out asap for the most vulnerable, release them for anyone who wants to risk it, then have three or four traditional vaccines released so people have a wide choice with lots of data to go on

the way they are doing it feels like they are forcing certain companies products on the population while holding back others and its leading to too many conspiracy theories

( for tge record my only conspiracy theory is that politicians are crooked and get kickbacks…. But thats no theory lol)

I don't think that's the case. Some types of vaccines take longer to produce. Last I heard the flu vaccine takes up to a year to manufacture even though we already know how to do it. That was one of the advantages of the mrna vaccines, they are faster to produce. Also that there was already years of research on the mrna technolgy for SARS Cov-1 and MERS vs. some of the other vaccines. I haven't seen any evidence that vaccines were "held back".

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Uh-huh. So why do you suppose the vaccination doesn’t have to be within 90 days, only the infection?

LMAO. So why do you suppose GMU is firing a professor who is naturally immune, something science has shown us is more powerful than the vaccine in battling COVID?

Because ideology and ignorance.

I said 90 days was wayyyyy too short. But given they aren't like other draconian universities mandating all students take the untested mRNA vaxes, I consider this evolution and progress. Eventually, real science - not the 59 genders of science - will prevail.

Back to your point, would you care to elaborate on your failed "impractical" diatribe?

 

[Sarge]

I'm sure no one on the left is upset about this. I mean, it's gonna be "covid compliant." Can't wait to see Pearl Jam sing with their masks on.

‘Imagine if this was for Trump’: Obama bash for hundreds draws jeers amid Delta outbreaks

Former President Barack Obama will reportedly have nearly 700 people at his 60th birthday bash in Martha’s Vineyard, even as officials warn of the dangers of large gatherings during the pande…

nypost.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So when someone with a comorbidity gets Covid and dies, it’s the comorbidity, but when someone with a comorbidity gets the vaccine and dies, it’s the vaccine?

You noticed in the post that I said we will never know what caused his death.

Do I find it highly suspicious? Yup.

BTW, bringing up this point, you do realize you're pointing out the waffling you yourself have been doing on COVID deaths, screaming that all deaths listed as COVID were legit.....right? LOLLLLL

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I want truth too, so let's be accurate. No, they did not say that 3/4 of the people infected in the state were vaccinated. They said three quarters of the people in this particular outbreak on Cape Cod were vaccinated. The vaccination rate there is very high. So the fact that most of the people who tested positive were vaccinated makes sense because most of the people there are vaccinated. I realize it sounds counterintuitive. The spread would have likely been far worse without the vaccines.

The vaccines are slowing the spread. Perhaps with this variant they are less effective and that is certainly concerning. But they are still much more effective than no vaccine at all. And they are still extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death. Of the hundreds in the Cape Cod outbreak, 5 hospitalizations and no deaths.

I'm sorry. Even if it was a neighborhood....or a beach town...or the entire state...the sample set of people that HAD COVID....75% of them were vaccinated. That means that out of 100% of the people tested, 3/4 who had COVID were vaccinated. That does not simultaneously translate into only 1% of the population is seeing breakthrough cases.

Apparently the vaccines aren't slowing the spread as much as they predicted. I thought I read that like the J&J is only 60% effective against variants.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The point, I suppose, is the numbers are growing, the virus is still very much active and spreading. At a time and point when we had hoped we'd be clear of this type of spread.

Loolapalooza festival this past weekend seems destined to be another major spreader event.

Cases and deaths have dropped for the past 2 days. Hopefully it stays that way.

My son was there at Lalapalooza! Had a fantastic time. Beetle Juice was there too, before leaving to go back to her podium and preach about masks and lockdowns.

They had to pass screenings to get in. I'm sure everyone was 100% honest.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

From what I've seen from anti-vaxers & anti-maskers, the analogy is spot on. At the root of it all is the belief the world revolves around you, and only you. A refusal - or inability - to see or accept the bigger picture.

Turning your headlights on or off is equivalent to injecting a non-FDA-approved vaccine into your body?

Woooowwwwwwww

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Crazed Dr. Lena saying it's time for a vaccine mandate in the USA. Meanwhile, Germany is there.

Scary times. It's like 1944 Germany...but the world over.

Germany: Health officials recommend vaccine boosters, as well as jabs for teens | DW | 02.08.2021

Federal and state health ministers have recommended COVID-19 booster shots for at-risk and elderly citizens. They also approved plans to vaccinate adolescents, despite pushback from the STIKO vaccine commission.

www.dw.com

German health ministers on Monday unanimously approved a plan to begin administering COVID-19 vaccine booster shots to elderly and at-risk citizens beginning September 1.

The move comes as the contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues its rapid spread and tests suggest vaccine efficacy fades after time.

Federal Health Minister Jens Spahn and the country's 16 state health ministers also voted to recommend vaccinating all 12-17 year olds, a move that exceeds guidelines set out by the country's vaccine regulator STIKO.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Fauci admits the truth about The Vaccine…

Vaccinated people can ‘easily’ spread Delta Variant ‘Amount of virus in nasal swabs is equivalent to the unvaccinated’

citizenfreepress.com

Vaccinated people can ‘easily’ spread Delta Variant

‘Amount of virus in nasal swabs is equivalent to the unvaccinated’

 

[Superman]

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From Fascistbook, where the freeloader stole this, this comment was also stolen as a retort by a nurse I’m friends with.

Ahem...


Lol.

Apples and oranges comparison.

There’s a big difference between safely operating machinery and wearing a cloth over the face that does precious little to protect from a virus.

I work in a COVID unit, and we wear full PPE gear, not a mere handkerchief over our faces.

People would have to wear protection goggles, AT LEAST an N-95 or KN-95 mask, gloves that must be changed between patients/rooms, hand washing until your hands are cracked and chapped, etc.

We’re getting admissions vaccinated and unvaccinated.

I’m a proponent of the vaccine, but acting like getting it is going to stop the virus is disingenuous at best.

At least come up with a better comparison.

This is embarrassing.

 

[oneforthebus]

I'm sorry. Even if it was a neighborhood....or a beach town...or the entire state...the sample set of people that HAD COVID....75% of them were vaccinated. That means that out of 100% of the people tested, 3/4 who had COVID were vaccinated. That does not simultaneously translate into only 1% of the population is seeing breakthrough cases.

Apparently the vaccines aren't slowing the spread as much as they predicted. I thought I read that like the J&J is only 60% effective against variants.

I'm sorry, but you just don't seem to be getting the math. Virtually all adults in this county are vaccinated. So basically ALMOST ALL infections in this outbreak in this county would be among the vaccinated, unless a lot of the infected are children. I have seen no reports that a lot of the infected are children. There are fewer infections in unvaccinated people because there are very few unvaccinated people.

But let's say for ***** and grins they are only 60% effective against infection with the delta variant. That's still very effective. Especially when they are virtually 100% effective against hospitalization and death.

 

[Sarge]

I have an appointment tomorrow with my doctor for a covid test. I woke up this morning with a really strange runny nose, and basically I'm so weak I am exhausted. On top of that, the entire right side of my face hurts like hell. My nose runs only when I bend over, like to tie my shoes for example, and the **** coming out of my nose is this really watery orangish-brown ****. No fever or cough or shortness of breath or anything like that. Just an odd runny nose and no energy. Pretty sure it's a sinus infection, but getting tested just to be sure.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

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It's just so sad. Once again, for a joke to work there needs to be some truth. This meme is only funny to stupid liberals who seem to think people are refusing the vax on spite and not for the real 2 main reasons that they don't trust this new mostly untested drug or likely most importnantly, they just aren't afraid of getting covid.

For this joke to work, you would have to have people who don;t think that turning on a light makes it easier to see in the dark.

Here's how an analogy works. This video is basically Fauci on masks and lockdowns. It funny because the premise is the same. People advocating a preventive measure that doesn't work.

Watch this actual commercial instructing kids to duck and cover if a nuclear bomb goes off.

 

[JMM]

I have one question. Should we hoard toilet paper and cleaning products or is that considered old fashioned?

 

[JMM]

It's just so sad. Once again, for a joke to work there needs to be some truth. This meme is only funny to stupid liberals who seem to think people are refusing the vax on spite and not for the real 2 main reasons that they don't trust this new mostly untested drug or likely most importnantly, they just aren't afraid of getting covid.

For this joke to work, you would have to have people who don;t think that turning on a light makes it easier to see in the dark.

Here's how an analogy works. This video is basically Fauci on masks and lockdowns. It funny because the premise is the same. People advocating a preventive measure that doesn't work.

Watch this actual commercial instructing kids to duck and cover if a nuclear bomb goes off.

 

[oneforthebus]

I have an appointment tomorrow with my doctor for a covid test. I woke up this morning with a really strange runny nose, and basically I'm so weak I am exhausted. On top of that, the entire right side of my face hurts like hell. My nose runs only when I bend over, like to tie my shoes for example, and the **** coming out of my nose is this really watery orangish-brown ****. No fever or cough or shortness of breath or anything like that. Just an odd runny nose and no energy. Pretty sure it's a sinus infection, but getting tested just to be sure.

Hoping you don't have it Sarge. If you do hope it's mild. FWIW when we had it we have very little to no nasal discharge although we all felt stuffed up.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So basically ALMOST ALL infections in this outbreak in this county would be among the vaccinated

Which is what I've been saying with these test results. They can't tell us on one hand "breakthrough" cases are only 1% then we find out 75% of sample pools of infected are vaccinated.

One of those statements must change.

 

[Steelworth]

Tim was right about the cdc changing its stance on the viral transmission from solely large droplets to aerosols, meaning that mathematically while the masks will stop spittle to some extent, the cloth and surgical masks wont reduce small particle aerosols at all

Which, to anyone paying attention, is exactly what Fraudci said from the very beginning:

“The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out [the] virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in [keeping] out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.”

Remember - a snake, not stupid.

 

[oneforthebus]

Which is what I've been saying with these test results. They can't tell us on one hand "breakthrough" cases are only 1% then we find out 75% of sample pools of infected are vaccinated.

One of those statements must change.

Ok I'll try this one more time.

In places where there are a lot of unvaccinated people, there are a lot of cases that are very heavily weighted to the unvaccinated. In places were almost everyone is vaccinated, there are some clusters where vaccinated people have gotten infected.

Is this concerning? Yes. Does it mean that a larger portion of vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated people? NO. I don't know how many more ways I can explain it. There are gonna be cases everywhere. In places where almost everyone is vaccinated a larger percentage of those cases are going to be in vaccinated people. In places where vaccination rates are low, infections are raging among unvaccinated people while only affecting a small percentage of the vaccinated. Comprende?

The fact that a large percentage of a small outbreak in Cape Cod were vaccinated does not negate the fact that large samples from other states show much lower percentages of infection in the vaccinated. From the Kaiser study:

• The reported share of COVID-19 cases among those not fully vaccinated ranged from 94.1% in Arizona to 99.85% Connecticut.
• The share of hospitalizations among those with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from in 95.02% in Alaska to 99.93% in New Jersey. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
• The share of deaths among people with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from to 96.91% in Montana to 99.91% in New Jersey. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)

 

[Sarge]

Hoping you don't have it Sarge. If you do hope it's mild. FWIW when we had it we have very little to no nasal discharge although we all felt stuffed up.

Thanks. I honestly don't think it's COVID-19. The thing that has me wondering though is the strange nasal discharge and the complete lack of energy. Sinus infections don't do that to my knowledge, but I'm no doctor. But I'm fully vaccinated, and with the breakthrough infections I'm a little concerned as the symptoms, especially the runny nose, is odd. We will see tomorrow I guess.

 

[oneforthebus]

Thanks. I honestly don't think it's COVID-19. The thing that has me wondering though is the strange nasal discharge and the complete lack of energy. Sinus infections don't do that to my knowledge, but I'm no doctor. But I'm fully vaccinated, and with the breakthrough infections I'm a little concerned as the symptoms, especially the runny nose, is odd. We will see tomorrow I guess

Fingers crossed. If it is the rona you'll probably have a mild case and then be super immune so that's the bright side!