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But it's okay when you do it. Gotcha.
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and a whorehouse in Nevada. they couldnt make a profit off it. shuttered.
though, in an interesting turn of events, they put a ***** in the VP office.
Yes, 2 months ago. Point still stands, we aren't now where we were then.
The ultimate count is deaths. Always will be. Our 7 day deaths average now is still less than it was at the beginning of June.
On Jan 13, our 7 day deaths average, the highest of 2021, was 3,425 deaths per day. We are at 11% of that number.
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And we’re aren’t where we were 2 weeks ago, deaths are up 27%.
The FDA also approved Zantac in 1983 after rigorous trials. There is no guarantee with any drug that long term adverse effects are not possible. Just because a drug has FDA approval does not make me feel any more secure.
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So this one cluster of infections that you believe supports your position is true, but the wealth of other stats I posted from numerous states showing that the vast majority of those infected and hospitalized are unvaccinated is what...fabricated?
Someone have a decoder ring?
If I can interpret that gibberish....I'll again point out. Until we are in a dangerous place, we are not in a dangerous place.
As your President said - While cases will rise, hospitalizations and deaths will not comparably rise.
Again as much as it pains me to point out, he is right. The percentage increase in cases is far greater than the increases in deaths/hospitalizations.
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Again, if you have data showing more naturally immune people are getting infected than vaccinated people, let's see it. Otherwise you're just throwing irrelevant **** at the wall in hopes it might stick. I'll be the first person to concede if I see that data. The fact that they're only willing to go 90 days is based on a CDC recommendation that is months outdated.
I'm not saying it is fabricated. I believe the data you provided.
What we are seeing however is a changing dynamic. What we thought was true just a month ago isn't now apparently. 40% of Israelis with COVID were vaccinated, 75% of those in MA were.
The only point I am trying to make is that headlines like these need to be walked back based on new tests/data coming out. There is no way just 1% of COVID cases are breakthrough cases when real studies like Israel and MA show otherwise.
Symptomatic breakthrough COVID-19 infections rare, CDC data estimates
Approximately 153,000 symptomatic, breakthrough cases, are expected to have occurred, to date, according to internal CDC data.
abcnews.go.com
They are appearing not to be as rare as we were led to believe they would be. That's all.
I have looked for reinfection data on the naturally immune. Every study follows a pattern (see below)
You can find studies like this, but I have a problem with their wording:
COVID-19 Reinfections Rare, Natural Immunity Lasts For Months: Pune Study - The Wire Science
The findings of the study are in line with others conducted across the world, but experts say neutralising antibodies may not be effective against variants of SARS-CoV-2.
science.thewire.in
New Delhi: New Delhi: Reinfection among people who have recovered from COVID-19 is rare and natural immunity after illness lasts around nine months, a study involving long term follows up of more than 1,000 people in Pune has found.
According to the Times of India, a study conducted by epidemiologists and community medicine experts from the DY Patil Medical College and Hospital in the city tracked 1,081 people who showed SARS-CoV-2 antibodies during a serosurvey in September last year until this past June. During the nine months of observation, just 13 participants – just 1.2% – were reinfected. The study, which is still in pre-print, also found that all those who were reinfected only had mild cases of COVID-19 and made a full recovery.
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They say COVID immunity lasts around 9 months...then state the participants were observed for...9 months.
Each natural immunity study I've read follows the same wording. After 3 months studies, they say COVID immunity lasts 3 months. After a 9 month study, they say it lasts 9 months.
10:1 odds when they do a study next year, they will say "after an 18 month survey, it appears COVID immunity lasts...18 months."
Wow, stay classy Dems.
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Dem strategist’s tweet about Lindsey Graham’s COVID diagnosis panned
Kate Coyne-McCoy, the chief strategist of the Rhode Island Democratic Party, faced swift criticism late Monday over a tweet about Sen. Lindsey Graham’s COVID-19 diagnosis.
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That's what I've found too. So far so good.I have looked for reinfection data on the naturally immune. Every study follows a pattern (see below)
You can find studies like this, but I have a problem with their wording:
COVID-19 Reinfections Rare, Natural Immunity Lasts For Months: Pune Study - The Wire Science
The findings of the study are in line with others conducted across the world, but experts say neutralising antibodies may not be effective against variants of SARS-CoV-2.
New Delhi: New Delhi: Reinfection among people who have recovered from COVID-19 is rare and natural immunity after illness lasts around nine months, a study involving long term follows up of more than 1,000 people in Pune has found.
According to the Times of India, a study conducted by epidemiologists and community medicine experts from the DY Patil Medical College and Hospital in the city tracked 1,081 people who showed SARS-CoV-2 antibodies during a serosurvey in September last year until this past June. During the nine months of observation, just 13 participants – just 1.2% – were reinfected. The study, which is still in pre-print, also found that all those who were reinfected only had mild cases of COVID-19 and made a full recovery.
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They say COVID immunity lasts around 9 months...then state the participants were observed for...9 months.
Each natural immunity study I've read follows the same wording. After 3 months studies, they say COVID immunity lasts 3 months. After a 9 month study, they say it lasts 9 months.
10:1 odds when they do a study next year, they will say "after an 18 month survey, it appears COVID immunity lasts...18 months."
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Wow, stay classy Dems.
Dem strategist’s tweet about Lindsey Graham’s COVID diagnosis panned
Kate Coyne-McCoy, the chief strategist of the Rhode Island Democratic Party, faced swift criticism late Monday over a tweet about Sen. Lindsey Graham’s COVID-19 diagnosis.
Despicable but unsurprising.
A little while back Tim corrected me that the virus was now absolutely considered an airborne aerosols transmitted thing…
Funny how the cdc and who actively ignored the science and greatest scientific minds in that field for a while now
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i do some pm 10 and pm 2.5 testing on occasion… trust me not one mask you see in the grocery store is going to catch any pm 10 stuff, much less anything smaller…
the antimaskers tend to try to use the actual virus size to disprove mask effectiveness… and that is incorrect methodology , but the particulates they travel on are absolutely important and while masks might reduce tge larger droplets.. tgey do nothing against the aerosols… let me restate that… the standard cloth and surgical masks are not designed or able to stop aerosols at all… you need high grade respiratory stuff for that…
but that isn’t important.. what’s important is tgat both the cdc and who were completely dismissive of the actual science and experts until the worldwide data was unquestionably overwhelming … these aren’t organizations that are unbiased… they are politically charged and full of dogmatic thought
science says what the observed data says… it changes whenever new facts are discovered… dogmatic thought turns it quasi religious or political and that isn’t great
there is a real chance ten years down the road one or more of these vaccines are proven to be useful and safe… there is also a real possibility that they are not going to work or have bad long term side effects…
i think its very safe to say that the hardlining on it in either direction is probably stupid
Funny how the cdc and who actively ignored the science and greatest scientific minds in that field for a while now
The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill
All pandemic long, scientists brawled over how the virus spreads. Droplets! No, aerosols! At the heart of the fight was a teensy error with huge consequences.
i do some pm 10 and pm 2.5 testing on occasion… trust me not one mask you see in the grocery store is going to catch any pm 10 stuff, much less anything smaller…
the antimaskers tend to try to use the actual virus size to disprove mask effectiveness… and that is incorrect methodology , but the particulates they travel on are absolutely important and while masks might reduce tge larger droplets.. tgey do nothing against the aerosols… let me restate that… the standard cloth and surgical masks are not designed or able to stop aerosols at all… you need high grade respiratory stuff for that…
but that isn’t important.. what’s important is tgat both the cdc and who were completely dismissive of the actual science and experts until the worldwide data was unquestionably overwhelming … these aren’t organizations that are unbiased… they are politically charged and full of dogmatic thought
science says what the observed data says… it changes whenever new facts are discovered… dogmatic thought turns it quasi religious or political and that isn’t great
there is a real chance ten years down the road one or more of these vaccines are proven to be useful and safe… there is also a real possibility that they are not going to work or have bad long term side effects…
i think its very safe to say that the hardlining on it in either direction is probably stupid
Plus there is another mucus membraneA little while back Tim corrected me that the virus was now absolutely considered an airborne aerosols transmitted thing…
Funny how the cdc and who actively ignored the science and greatest scientific minds in that field for a while now
The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill
All pandemic long, scientists brawled over how the virus spreads. Droplets! No, aerosols! At the heart of the fight was a teensy error with huge consequences.
i do some pm 10 and pm 2.5 testing on occasion… trust me not one mask you see in the grocery store is going to catch any pm 10 stuff, much less anything smaller…
the antimaskers tend to try to use the actual virus size to disprove mask effectiveness… and that is incorrect methodology , but the particulates they travel on are absolutely important and while masks might reduce tge larger droplets.. tgey do nothing against the aerosols… let me restate that… the standard cloth and surgical masks are not designed or able to stop aerosols at all… you need high grade respiratory stuff for that…
but that isn’t important.. what’s important is tgat both the cdc and who were completely dismissive of the actual science and experts until the worldwide data was unquestionably overwhelming … these aren’t organizations that are unbiased… they are politically charged and full of dogmatic thought
science says what the observed data says… it changes whenever new facts are discovered… dogmatic thought turns it quasi religious or political and that isn’t great
there is a real chance ten years down the road one or more of these vaccines are proven to be useful and safe… there is also a real possibility that they are not going to work or have bad long term side effects…
i think its very safe to say that the hardlining on it in either direction is probably stupid
This is the same short term data the left loves to uses to promote climate change.
Yes tge eyes are the third most frequent transmission entry point for viruses… and in cases of aerosols its very hard to protect against…. But the point is the cdc and who issued nonsense edicts despite multiple high level specialists telling them otherwise… thats not great news… yes the cdc tries to mitigate panic factor… but they literally put people in greater risk by convincing them that masks and social distancing is safe…
I don’t think people understand the gravity of that finding…. An aerosol with the contagion rate of covid…. We are talking about the estimates of worldwide cases when they thought it was LRD transmitted going from swine flu levels (700million to 1.4 billion estimated cases) to billions as an aerosol that have had it… Billions…. Like a quarter of the world’s population or more… that have already been infected…
that should have been major news that was plastered everywhere
A little while back Tim corrected me that the virus was now absolutely considered an airborne aerosols transmitted thing…
Funny how the cdc and who actively ignored the science and greatest scientific minds in that field for a while now
The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill
All pandemic long, scientists brawled over how the virus spreads. Droplets! No, aerosols! At the heart of the fight was a teensy error with huge consequences.
i do some pm 10 and pm 2.5 testing on occasion… trust me not one mask you see in the grocery store is going to catch any pm 10 stuff, much less anything smaller…
the antimaskers tend to try to use the actual virus size to disprove mask effectiveness… and that is incorrect methodology , but the particulates they travel on are absolutely important and while masks might reduce tge larger droplets.. tgey do nothing against the aerosols… let me restate that… the standard cloth and surgical masks are not designed or able to stop aerosols at all… you need high grade respiratory stuff for that…
but that isn’t important.. what’s important is tgat both the cdc and who were completely dismissive of the actual science and experts until the worldwide data was unquestionably overwhelming … these aren’t organizations that are unbiased… they are politically charged and full of dogmatic thought
science says what the observed data says… it changes whenever new facts are discovered… dogmatic thought turns it quasi religious or political and that isn’t great
there is a real chance ten years down the road one or more of these vaccines are proven to be useful and safe… there is also a real possibility that they are not going to work or have bad long term side effects…
i think its very safe to say that the hardlining on it in either direction is probably stupid
What a GREAT article. Tremendous read.
I don't know how anyone today can look another person in the eye and say that masks stop the spread of COVID. As the article lays out, even the CDC and the WHO were wrong all along.
There has been a concerted effort to keep facts like these from seeing the light of day. We still see it with Twitter and Facebook shutting down posts that go against the dogma.
We need to know why. It's as if they....want...COVID around for a long time.
Tiblio and Floggy will hate these doctors and nurses.
Still boggles my mind that one of them (cough cough) was claiming 99% of physicians are vaccinated.
Then who do all deez peoplez be?
Doctors and nurses protest against mandatory Vaccination.
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And isn't this odd. The mandatory vaccination mandates would likely be coming from the hospitals/hospital systems. Likely administrators. Maybe some doctors, not sure. Telling physicians and nurses to do something their background and education tells them to fight against.
Still boggles my mind that one of them (cough cough) was claiming 99% of physicians are vaccinated.
Then who do all deez peoplez be?
Doctors and nurses protest against mandatory Vaccination.
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And isn't this odd. The mandatory vaccination mandates would likely be coming from the hospitals/hospital systems. Likely administrators. Maybe some doctors, not sure. Telling physicians and nurses to do something their background and education tells them to fight against.
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Yes, and thanks to the vaccine for that. BUT… cases are up 700+%, in what, six weeks? It didn’t have to be this way. Gibberish is “ a dangerous place”.
how far have deaths be rise?
