Covid Vaccine

[21STEELERS21]

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

This is a good explanation why masks work to prevent Covid spread.

Not sure why some want to disparage mask use, unless they are Russian trolls trying to damage the United States.

 

[Tibs]

 

[Superman]

See this is where you guys lose me.

Do you really think Joe Biden or someone else has the magic vaccine that could cure all this and is just hiding it from everyone? Cause making Pfizer rich is more important to them than anything else?

The person and/or company and/or government agency that stops this pandemic will have accolades and power beyond their wildest dreams. But you guys think they'd just really rather keep it going. For what? They get their jollies from seeing us wear masks? They want to tank the travel and tourism and restaurant industries because it helps them how?

Or what?

I don't get it.

late to the game in responding, so if this has been answered, so be it.

My OPINION is that while there is no proven vaccine (in the pure definition of what a vaccine is) the powers that be are continuing to push "the vaccine" as a vaccine to legitimize their power. Whether Fibs, Flog and 21IQ agree or not, "the vaccine" was made political during the 2020 Presidential Election. And by the Democrats in their desire to seize power and control of the country's direction.

We were told by the Democrats - as has been proven in various videos and links - that they would 100% not take "the vaccine" if it was pushed by the federal government. As individuals, that is their choice. Their personal choice. Instead of saying "if Trump" - they could have just as easily said "I'd review it with my PCP and make a choice best for me and my family." That wouldn't have been political. In fact, that is precisely what should be done with any vaccine.

Now that the Democrats have gained the POTUS office, they're scrambling to keep the concerns they politicized as legit.

Is it legit to be wary of contracting a virus? absolutely
is it legit to be aware of your own safety and health? of course

is it legit to mandate that people wear masks, social distance, slather themselves in anti-bacterial gel and get stabbed with a "vaccine" that is not exactly a vaccine, but is a "vaccine"?

So, yes, this is all political.

However, I'll also say that I do agree that getting the jab will likely lessen your "down time" if you contract the Chinese NewFlu. I disagree that being "fully vaccinated" is going to prevent you from getting the virus, nor will it prevent you from spreading it. Which is the bill of sale passed to the people when this "vaccine" was touted as the holy grail of vaccines. I also do not agree that being stabbed with the stabby should be mandated, as it is "my body, my choice" - since even those people fully vaccinated can still get the Chinese NewFlu and/or spread the KungFlu.

As for the politicians themselves? ha. this **** doesn't affect them in the least. We've seen them skirt or break their own mandates to enjoy getting their hair did, go to restaurants, wineries, dances... this only affects us, the little guys.

It's also verrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting to me that the ONLY vaccines that are being allowed are those from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. I'd like to see stock holdings in these companies by our politicians (D and R - two wings of the same bird) as well as those in 3M and all the other large suppliers of the 41 FDA-approved mask suppliers:

Personal Protective Equipment EUAs

Personal Protective Equipment EUAs

www.fda.gov

 

[ZonaBurgh]

People still die

I agree with this point.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

This is a good explanation why masks work to prevent Covid spread.

Not sure why some want to disparage mask use, unless they are Russian trolls trying to damage the United States.

" but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth"

Great, so when you are being waterboarded you won't share the virus with those torturing you. Seriously, you experimented with a damp washcloth. That's brilliant. No problem breathing thru that at all.

"Studies have compared various mask materials, but for the general public, the most important consideration may be comfort."

Right, effectiveness be damned, as long as you look the part, that's good enough for us. You can't make this **** up. I would at least respect the scientists if they at least picked a mask...but thinking that wearing a gaiter or cotton fabric mask is effective is nuts.

 

[Troglodyte]

We have previously DESTROYED this bullshit article. Please stop posting it.

The AMA surveyed 301 physicians out of over 1Million in the USA.

You post a survey, I can too.

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The Majority of American Physicians Remain Unvaccinated - Vision Times

A survey conducted by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has found that 58 percent of physicians are not fully vaccinated against

www.visiontimes.com

A survey conducted by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has found that 58 percent of physicians are not fully vaccinated against COVID-19. The AAPS survey comes on the back of another survey conducted by the American Medical Association (AMA) which claimed that almost 96 percent of doctors are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus.

However, the AAPS survey questions the results of the AMA survey as it reveals that a majority of physicians have declined COVID-19 shots.

The poll saw the participation of 700 physicians and highlights the fact that physician support for mass inoculation campaigns is not as unanimous as some assert. Eighty percent of unvaccinated physicians stated that the risk from the vaccines exceeds the risk of the disease. Thirty percent admitted that they had already contracted the infection.

Some of the other reasons cited by physicians for not getting vaccinated include unknown long-term effects of the vaccines, the experimental nature of the vaccines, reports of deaths following inoculation, blood clots among vaccinated people, use of aborted fetal tissue, and availability of effective early treatment.

AAPS = Medical Disinformation

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Troglodyte]

You would be served well to go back to where Oregon was introduced. It was introduced by me when you brought up the random state of CT. I introduced it and said for a state that ranks 13th in vaccination (you ****** that part up saying they were middle of the road), it's a wonder why their hospitals are being crushed.

YOU introduced the question - what % of those in the hospitals are unvaccinated. I said, go answer it. I didn't offer an answer.

You can't stay on topic.

Second, the state health commissioner saying "the overwhelming # of patients are unvaccinated" (with no data) does not corroborate the CDC's claim that 97% of patients in the US are unvaccinated. Try making that stand up in court with no facts.

I'll repeat again, if we had open information sharing like the Israel Health Ministry provides for their citizens, we might be able to have a data-based v a conjecture-based argument.

“Overwhelming majority doesn’t necessarily mean 97%” Whatever, Tim. It means the vaccines are working.

Flailing now, flailing.

 

[FSF]

late to the game in responding, so if this has been answered, so be it.

My OPINION is that while there is no proven vaccine (in the pure definition of what a vaccine is) the powers that be are continuing to push "the vaccine" as a vaccine to legitimize their power. Whether Fibs, Flog and 21IQ agree or not, "the vaccine" was made political during the 2020 Presidential Election. And by the Democrats in their desire to seize power and control of the country's direction.

We were told by the Democrats - as has been proven in various videos and links - that they would 100% not take "the vaccine" if it was pushed by the federal government. As individuals, that is their choice. Their personal choice. Instead of saying "if Trump" - they could have just as easily said "I'd review it with my PCP and make a choice best for me and my family." That wouldn't have been political. In fact, that is precisely what should be done with any vaccine.

Now that the Democrats have gained the POTUS office, they're scrambling to keep the concerns they politicized as legit.

Is it legit to be wary of contracting a virus? absolutely
is it legit to be aware of your own safety and health? of course

is it legit to mandate that people wear masks, social distance, slather themselves in anti-bacterial gel and get stabbed with a "vaccine" that is not exactly a vaccine, but is a "vaccine"?

So, yes, this is all political.

However, I'll also say that I do agree that getting the jab will likely lessen your "down time" if you contract the Chinese NewFlu. I disagree that being "fully vaccinated" is going to prevent you from getting the virus, nor will it prevent you from spreading it. Which is the bill of sale passed to the people when this "vaccine" was touted as the holy grail of vaccines. I also do not agree that being stabbed with the stabby should be mandated, as it is "my body, my choice" - since even those people fully vaccinated can still get the Chinese NewFlu and/or spread the KungFlu.

As for the politicians themselves? ha. this **** doesn't affect them in the least. We've seen them skirt or break their own mandates to enjoy getting their hair did, go to restaurants, wineries, dances... this only affects us, the little guys.

It's also verrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting to me that the ONLY vaccines that are being allowed are those from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. I'd like to see stock holdings in these companies by our politicians (D and R - two wings of the same bird) as well as those in 3M and all the other large suppliers of the 41 FDA-approved mask suppliers:

Personal Protective Equipment EUAs

Personal Protective Equipment EUAs

www.fda.gov

On-point: The rallying cry of I won't take Trump's vaccine replaced by everyone get the Vaccine is comical and typical of Libs.

What did they say about Obama's birthday party? Its okay because they were "sophisticated?" Go screw yourself. The do as I say not as I do is what people with brains see through over the brainwashing they have over a virus that plain and simple, just isn't going away. We live in a world with it, can't hide from it forever.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

"Health officials also reported 30 new fatalities. The deceased are the following people:".......followed by every single patient having "underlying conditions" or "underlying conditions being confirmed." Average age, 74. SEVENTY-FOUR.

Small sample size I realize, but at my funeral home I’ve had 14 Covid deaths. None since March although I was busy in December and January. Only 2 listed Covid as the only cause of death on the death certificate, all but 2 lived in nursing homes, and the youngest was 74 years old.

 

[madinsomniac]

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

This is a good explanation why masks work to prevent Covid spread.

Not sure why some want to disparage mask use, unless they are Russian trolls trying to damage the United States.

That article is completely about respiratory droplets and I agree with that side of it…. That isn’t what we are dealing with anymore its an aerosol…. The scientific study in Canada that was released this week admitted that non respirator masks like surgical masks dont catch 90% of the viral load … they advocated universal n95 and even those only block 50% of the viral load

moreover the aerosols stay suspended in air for longer than six feet and for hours… so in a closed environment you have culminating viral load in the air without proper air circulating

 

[madinsomniac]

If I would not get fired, id hijack a particulate test system from work, replace the micron filter on a glass frit with a surgical mask, and put water impingers behind it and run a water soluble compound equivalent to the size of aerosol droplets and show how effective they are… its not that hard… it would have to be run at 98 degrees and be done in a very sterile environment… but it could easily give an idea of how much physical penetration there is based on the concentrations that appear in the water solution…

 

[Tibs]

Completely logical and reasonable move by Delta Air Lines. I imagine others will soon follow with something similar.

BREAKING: Delta Air Lines announces that unvaccinated employees will need to pay a $200 per month surcharge for health insurance to cover the added risk.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I agree with this point.

It is a 100% certainty. Death. Everyone is going in the ground or the oven if that's the route you wish.


From the richest to the poorest,the good,the bad,the weak and the strong.

From the moment of first breath the clock started ticking toward the last breath.


So make each day count. They're numbered.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Completely logical and reasonable move by Delta Air Lines. I imagine others will soon follow with something similar.

What added risk? Seriously I want real numbers to define these odds in real terms. Define the risk without the vaccine then with it. What is the difference in survival rate and long term impact.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Completely logical and reasonable move by Delta Air Lines. I imagine others will soon follow with something similar.

Sure, as soon as you start charging overweight people additional money due to higher rates of hypertension, heart disease, and diabetes. Then start charging smokers and/or vapers more for their increased risks. Then start charging people that have a history of cancer in their family more for their increased risks. Then, throw out HIPPA all together since medical privacy is a total sham to the left.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

AAPS = Medical Disinformation

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The AMA surveying 300 doctors telling you it is representative of over 1Million of them is misinformation.

Instead of attacking the source, they AAPS interviewed 700 physicians, over twice the amount the AMA did.

Finally, they call the spade a spade: Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.

So please, stop running around here saying 96% of physicians have had the jab based on a 300 respondent survey of over 1Million physicians that doesn't represent a random sample.

96% is wrong.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

“Overwhelming majority doesn’t necessarily mean 97%” Whatever, Tim. It means the vaccines are working.

Flailing now, flailing.

Yes, this is a true poster child for the vaccines' success. They are doing an amazing job at combating the spread of COVID.

The United States:
52% fully vaccinated
61% partially vaccinated



Louisiana has seen a 14 day change of -16% in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Arkansas has seen a -4% drop in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Alabama only a 3% increase (37% fully vaccinated)
Florida only a 6% increase (52% fully vaccinated)
Oklahoma only an 11% increase (43% fully vaccinated)

In those hot red areas, cases are starting to drop. Low vaccination areas.

But....

New Hampshire - 77% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
Delaware - 76% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Minnesota - 73% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Michigan - 62% increase (50% fully vaccinated)
PA - 62% increase (54% fully vaccinated)
VA - 55% increase (56% fully vaccinated)
NJ - 49% increase (61% fully vaccinated)
NY - 46% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
VT - 43% increase (68% fully vaccinated)
MD - 36% increase (61% fully vaccinated)

Kinda weird that all of these states leading the nation in vaccination rates are also rising up fast in new cases and leading the nation in many areas.

Rochelle was right, the vaxes don't prevent spread.

Grab yer popcorn. Anyone got predictions on the 6th and 7th booster shot dates yet?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

This is a good explanation why masks work to prevent Covid spread.

Not sure why some want to disparage mask use, unless they are Russian trolls trying to damage the United States.

This article is from June of 2020. There have only been 400 peer reviewed studies done since then showing masks do not prevent the spread of aerosols.

This article primarily - like so many of the faulty studies out there that say masks work - focus on droplets.

Which isn't the primary means of spread of COVID.

 

[Troglodyte]

The AMA surveying 300 doctors telling you it is representative of over 1Million of them is misinformation.

Instead of attacking the source, they AAPS interviewed 700 physicians, over twice the amount the AMA did.

Finally, they call the spade a spade: Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.

So please, stop running around here saying 96% of physicians have had the jab based on a 300 respondent survey of over 1Million physicians that doesn't represent a random sample.

96% is wrong.

So the AMA using 300 as a sample size can’t be representative? Oh really?

Sample Error Calculator

Sample Size Enter the size of the sample drawn from the population being studied. Sample Proportion (%) Enter the proportion of people in the population being […]

www.sphanalytics.com

 

[Steelr4evr]

Yes, this is a true poster child for the vaccines' success. They are doing an amazing job at combating the spread of COVID.

The United States:
52% fully vaccinated
61% partially vaccinated

View attachment 6147

Louisiana has seen a 14 day change of -16% in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Arkansas has seen a -4% drop in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Alabama only a 3% increase (37% fully vaccinated)
Florida only a 6% increase (52% fully vaccinated)
Oklahoma only an 11% increase (43% fully vaccinated)

In those hot red areas, cases are starting to drop. Low vaccination areas.

But....

New Hampshire - 77% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
Delaware - 76% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Minnesota - 73% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Michigan - 62% increase (50% fully vaccinated)
PA - 62% increase (54% fully vaccinated)
VA - 55% increase (56% fully vaccinated)
NJ - 49% increase (61% fully vaccinated)
NY - 46% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
VT - 43% increase (68% fully vaccinated)
MD - 36% increase (61% fully vaccinated)

Kinda weird that all of these states leading the nation in vaccination rates are also rising up fast in new cases and leading the nation in many areas.

Rochelle was right, the vaxes don't prevent spread.

Grab yer popcorn. Anyone got predictions on the 6th and 7th booster shot dates yet?

One could say you become a no.19 magnet after you become..cough..cough..vaccinated. It has a greater affinity for you.


Very interesting.

 

[Troglodyte]

Yes, this is a true poster child for the vaccines' success. They are doing an amazing job at combating the spread of COVID.

The United States:
52% fully vaccinated
61% partially vaccinated

View attachment 6147

Louisiana has seen a 14 day change of -16% in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Arkansas has seen a -4% drop in cases (40% fully vaccinated)
Alabama only a 3% increase (37% fully vaccinated)
Florida only a 6% increase (52% fully vaccinated)
Oklahoma only an 11% increase (43% fully vaccinated)

In those hot red areas, cases are starting to drop. Low vaccination areas.

But....

New Hampshire - 77% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
Delaware - 76% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Minnesota - 73% increase (55% fully vaccinated)
Michigan - 62% increase (50% fully vaccinated)
PA - 62% increase (54% fully vaccinated)
VA - 55% increase (56% fully vaccinated)
NJ - 49% increase (61% fully vaccinated)
NY - 46% increase (59% fully vaccinated)
VT - 43% increase (68% fully vaccinated)
MD - 36% increase (61% fully vaccinated)

Kinda weird that all of these states leading the nation in vaccination rates are also rising up fast in new cases and leading the nation in many areas.

Rochelle was right, the vaxes don't prevent spread.

Grab yer popcorn. Anyone got predictions on the 6th and 7th booster shot dates yet?

For **** sake, could you be any more clueless? Have you no perspective whatsoever?

The CUMULATIVE 7 day new case average for PA, NJ, NY, MD and VT: 9,264

Florida’s 7 day new case average: 21,263

The vaccines work, Tim.

 

[Tibs]

For **** sake, could you be any more clueless? Have you no perspective whatsoever?

Your patience with Tim and others here has reached *next-level* status, Troglodyte. I don't know how you do it, but kudos to you.

 

[madinsomniac]

For **** sake, could you be any more clueless? Have you no perspective whatsoever?

The CUMULATIVE 7 day new case average for PA, NJ, NY, MD and VT: 9,264

Florida’s 7 day new case average: 21,263

The vaccines work, Tim.

Vaccinated people are many multiple times less likely to get tested… ive already got three stories about sick idiots stating how they are vaccinated thus don’t have to be tested… Im sure there are tons out there… hell my boss just came in and sat right next to someone stating how he is vaccinated so he can’t get it…
I agree that it for the most part lessens severity, but its slow to react to the variants so you absolutely can get it, actually reach contagious levels, and spread it sans symptoms…

the testing cut off is absurdly dumb… vaccinated people should still be getting tested after exposure or when ill…

its far from perfect….

 

[madinsomniac]

This article is from June of 2020. There have only been 400 peer reviewed studies done since then showing masks do not prevent the spread of aerosols.

This article primarily - like so many of the faulty studies out there that say masks work - focus on droplets.

Which isn't the primary means of spread of COVID.

Cloth Masks work ok on droplets, but pre covid the cdc’s stance was cloth masks reduce less than 20 percent of droplets, surgical masks reduce 40-60 and n95/p95 types reduce 95%

they have shown a 4 layered thick mask like they have in most airports can reduce 99% of the heavy droplets

aerosols are a completely different equation…

for anyone who has had to use chemical or particulate protection in the field you know anything that actually gives you sufficient protection is a little difficult to breathe through … i can wear surgical masks all day and feel fine… there is nothing to them…

 

[Troglodyte]

One could say you become a no.19 magnet after you become..cough..cough..vaccinated. It has a greater affinity for you.


Very interesting.

She says vaccines make you magnetized. This West Chester lawmaker invited her testimony, chair says.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny gained nationwide ridicule for her testimony that the COVID-19 vaccine magnetized people. Here's why she got to testify.

www.cincinnati.com