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Covid Vaccine

You equating differing EXPERT MEDICAL SCIENTIFIC OPINIONS versus the overall media narrative to shouting fire in a crowded theatre is beyond sad and retarded.
This isn't you and I arguing about orange being a better color than green.
There was accepted scientific FACT that the earth was the center of the universe, that the world was flat, that the earth is only 6,000 years old, earth is the only planet with water, humans only use 10% of their brain, etc.
LOTS of things that were assumed settled science turned out to be incorrect and proven false.......by more/differing science.
If you or I were to say, "Well I think from my reading a post on Steeler Nation from this one guy........", then we probably shouldn't be taken seriously. I also don't think we should be censored, though.
But we're talking about DOCTORS, and SCIENTISTS, and EPIDEMIOLOGISTS, and people who are in fact EXPERTS being censored for offering different opinions.
The fact that you think that is appropriate behavior, to silence those who are also trying to offer findings and solutions to a problem affecting us all, is downright alarming.
Uh, earth being the center of the universe was NOT scientific fact, it was indeed, misinformation.
 
Reading comprehension is an amazing thing.
I dont get into this stuff on here much actually probably never because i have my thoughts and they are my thoughts I dont need to debate back and forth. But this one I just cant let pass . How do you have just one exception ? What is to stop the slippery slope once it has begun? Well I guess it already has with your full support. Is it alright to suppress someone thoughts other than yours just because you agree with it , when the tide turns and they start suppressing your thoughts how would you react then?
 
Lifesite is fake news!! JFC!! /Floggy

Great find Stewey.

Here is the lawyer's site - https://renz-law.com/covid-pfizer-whistleblower-data/

He has a powerpoint presentation there with a lot of data. He had someone (law clerks?) pull and compile data. Really, really good data. Document here: https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...tent/uploads/covid-presentation-sept-2021.pdf

HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE .PPT OR GO TO THE LINK AND VIEW IT.

Remember how I have said numerous times, VAERS is not the only place to look for data, that data is also reported to other sources like CMS? Well they pulled that data. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services.

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The one & only exception to free speech laws.
Right now...until you decide there is something else that you don't like. To the left, the Constitution is more like a set of guidelines.
 
I dont get into this stuff on here much actually probably never because i have my thoughts and they are my thoughts I dont need to debate back and forth. But this one I just cant let pass . How do you have just one exception ? What is to stop the slippery slope once it has begun? Well I guess it already has with your full support. Is it alright to suppress someone thoughts other than yours just because you agree with it , when the tide turns and they start suppressing your thoughts how would you react then?
I found this. All these claims made about the whole fire in a theater are not accurate and worded incorrectly form Holmes original phrase and his ruling was partially overturned. For illegality it requires quite a few things and they better be pretty clear cut for speech to be illegal.

“The First Amendment holding in Schenck was later partially overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, in which the Supreme Court held that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action [e.g., a riot] and is likely to incite or produce such action."[1] The test in Brandenburg is the current Supreme Court jurisprudence on the ability of government to punish speech after it occurs. Despite Schenck being limited, the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater" has become synonymous with speech that, because of its danger of provoking violence, is not protected by the First Amendment.”
 

Oh wow Facebook removed something THEY deem misinformation, You keep proving how off the tracks the left has become and how draconian and fascist their actions are.
 
So now you’re back to saying Covid isn’t serious. Check.

Spin and Dance Floggy at it again.

Indy posted an image showing Denmark is treating Covid now like the flu and the cold.
Your dumbass replied - Yeah but they are 68% vaccinated so....
I reminded you that our northeast is as if not more vaccinated.

Your disconnected response is to say that the dialogue above somehow infers I don't think Covid is serious.

How do you live inside a mind that is that broken?
 
Let’s try this another way: If 32% of Massachusetts is unvaccinated, why are they 71% of all Covid cases?

Let's try this ithe realistic way - not your typical "I'm making excuses for the piss poor shots" way.

If the vaccines work, and breakthrough cases are only supposed to be 1%, why are 40% of their weekly cases vaxed people?
 
The 1st Amendment does not give a person the right to lie. If it did, Tucker Carlson wouldn’t have to give the legal defense of “No reasonable person would take me seriously”.
Flog, can you tell me what the medical and scientific communities stance on the consumption of eggs has been over the last 30 years. Were people that disagreed with their assessment lying? How many medications have been recalled and part of major litigation as a result of long term side effects? Was the government lying about those the entire time? Science has and always will evolve, it is possible for scientists and doctors to disagree amongst themselves. The fact that the left wants to cancel or censor anyone that does not agree with their beliefs should scare the hell out of anyone. Well anyone that does not support communism anyway.
 
For those of your pretending to be immunologists and declaring endless boosters will be needed for everyone…


And to date, people who had Covid in March 2020 still show antibodies present for Covid 18 months later.

Natural immunity works. Better than anything man has produced.
 
Reading the article provides perspective, and oh, how you hate perspective.

Do tell us what in the article would change the fact that 2/3 of people in Wales who tested positive are vaxed?

We all wait.
 
Uh, earth being the center of the universe was NOT scientific fact, it was indeed, misinformation.
So NO scientists stated that the Earth was the center of the universe? Did scientists and the FDA determine that Zantac was safe and effective? So you believe that this time, the science is 100% absolute and there will be NO potentially long term side effects from any of the vaccines?
 
Uh, earth being the center of the universe was NOT scientific fact, it was indeed, misinformation.

Ummm...as he said...at the time it was considered settled science.

To his point, tons of "settled" science throughout history has later been proven unsettled. That's how...science works.
 


Thus, dumbass...knowing you would react....JUST as you just did...I provided you the link to the lawfirm and their presentation showing CMS data.

Now take your ******* Liberal blinders off, dismiss your Saul Alinsky approaches...and read the CMS data.
 
Um....

How the phrase ‘natural immunity’ misleads us about real risks and dangers​


Tiblio, you believe you're such a smart Communist...and I'm really tired of doing all the work here. While you drown yourself this evening in Palinka, I want you to go research the following:
  • What is the reinfection rate of those naturally immune to those only vaccinated?
  • What is the hospitalization rate of those naturally immune to those only vaccinated?
  • What is the death rate of those naturally immune to those only vaccinated?
Forget breaking it down by age group, make it simple.

Report back with your findings.

Natural immunity is the BEST immunity you can have to Covid. Studies even show those who had Sars over a decade ago presented some natural defenses to Covid today. Long lasting, highly efficient. Not perfect, but he best defense you can have.
 
Uh, earth being the center of the universe was NOT scientific fact, it was indeed, misinformation.
It would be NOW if someone was saying that TODAY.
But what about BEFORE Copernicus first introduced this "ridiculous" concept to the rest of the planet?
 

At one time, settled science said that the earth was flat.​


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Report back with your findings.

The very last thing I'll do is take my cues or orders from a guy like you.

I'm just glad you didn't get really ill - or worse - or infect others while you carried the virus. I'm glad you lived to tell us all about it. At the end of the day, that's what matters.

Sadly, 4.5 million people around the globe and nearly 700,000 Americans who died from Covid weren't as fortunate as you. To sit here and sugarcoat, whitewash & mock the pandemic and flippantly brag about their *natural immunity.* May they rest in peace.
 
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The very last thing I'll do is take my cues or orders from a guy like you.

I'm just glad you didn't get really ill - or worse - or infect others while you carried the virus. I'm glad you lived to tell us all about it. At the end of the day, that's what matters.

Sadly, 4.5 million people around the globe and nearly 700,000 Americans who died from Covid weren't as fortunate as you. To sit here and flippantly brag about their *natural immunity.* May they rest in peace.
And sadly, some of those 4.5 million/700 thousand were fully vaccinated.
Should you or should you not brag about being fully vaccinated then?
 
And sadly, some of those 4.5 million/700 thousand were fully vaccinated.
Should you or should you not brag about being fully vaccinated then?

You shouldn't brag one way or another. The vaccine helps limit your chances of catching it, getting gravely sick or dying from it. It's not foolproof, it's not guaranteed. It gives you a fighting chance.
 
Reading comprehension is an amazing thing.
you know, believe what you want. you do anyway. you cannot and will never stop people from believing what they want.

for years, decades even, the federal ******* government was lying to us about UFOs - that UFOs didnt exist.
did that stop people from believing? no, it made them question UFO existence even more.

Just a couple years ago, or even last year, the ******* federal ******* government ******* acknowledged the existence of UFOs.

yes, I know you'll spin this into something else, but **** you for doing that and not seeing the point. Which you wouldn't see if it was on the tip of a cruise missle headed straight between your eyes.
 
Um....

How the phrase ‘natural immunity’ misleads us about real risks and dangers​

This article is kinda dumb. The author doesn't like the word "natural," because natural sometimes doesn't mean natural. He never expresses why having natural immunity is a bad thing, other than some people are referring to themselves as "purebloods" on TikTok, like it demeans people that got vaccinated. The only issue he seems to have is that if you have natural immunity, you had to get sick to get it, and that's scary.

I don't think anyone here is expressing that one immunity is better than the other, even though anecdotal evidence so far suggests that natural immunity is superior to vaccination in the case of COVID, since we are in fact seeing the vaccines wane, especially Pfizer. I think what most people have a problem with is the way that natural immunity, for the first time in my lifetime, is flat out dismissed as not good enough and in some cases, not good at all. It defies logic, and science.
 
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