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Covid Vaccine

I was telling a friend of mine about the vaccines waning in efficacy. Showed him studies, articles, even Pfizer's CEO saying it wanes. His answer? "I don't believe that."

The topic came up because he mentioned about getting the booster, and I said I wasn't going to do it. He doesn't believe anything bad about the vaccine. I mean nothing. He could be Trog's twin, but the guy is a die hard Trump supporter through and through, so they differ in that regard.
 
I was telling a friend of mine about the vaccines waning in efficacy. Showed him studies, articles, even Pfizer's CEO saying it wanes. His answer? "I don't believe that."

The topic came up because he mentioned about getting the booster, and I said I wasn't going to do it. He doesn't believe anything bad about the vaccine. I mean nothing. He could be Trog's twin, but the guy is a die hard Trump supporter through and through, so they differ in that regard.

It's something that's infected their brain. I mean seriously, I can't believe that many people won't sit down for a second and say "you know, things just aren't adding up" and will instead just go with what's been feeding their fears. This isn't about political affiliation or anything like that anymore - this has morphed into something much different.
 
My brother-in-law's cousin (I know that sounds like a very tangential connection but he grew up with the guy and I have spent many holidays and BBQ's with him) died of covid last week. 63, a couple of underlying conditions, but was too afraid to get vaxxed. His wife has covid too and couldn't be with him when he died.

Not presenting this as data or anything, it's just a shame. I know his wife is certainly regretting their not taking the jab, will always have to wonder if this could have been prevented.

FWIW.
 
For ***** sake,,aren't you ********* done with this bullshit yet??



Here is a piece of advice,,,you ain't getting out of life alive so ******* live it!
 
My brother-in-law's cousin (I know that sounds like a very tangential connection but he grew up with the guy and I have spent many holidays and BBQ's with him) died of covid last week. 63, a couple of underlying conditions, but was too afraid to get vaxxed. His wife has covid too and couldn't be with him when he died.

Not presenting this as data or anything, it's just a shame. I know his wife is certainly regretting their not taking the jab, will always have to wonder if this could have been prevented.

FWIW.

This whole thing doesn't add up. Nobody's done an "expose" on how awful this disease is, nor have I had any 'very compromised' older relatives die from it.

But I had a friend from High School, that I'd trust with my life, show me the pictures and stories of his dad in the hospital (64-years old), slowly dying of Covid (or something). I don't know, but I still trust my own eyes before anything else.
 
This whole thing doesn't add up. Nobody's done an "expose" on how awful this disease is, nor have I had any 'very compromised' older relatives die from it.

But I had a friend from High School, that I'd trust with my life, show me the pictures and stories of his dad in the hospital (64-years old), slowly dying of Covid (or something). I don't know, but I still trust my own eyes before anything else.
We're all ****** dude. It eventually makes the heart about 20-30 years older than what it should be. So when you are 50, your heart is 70-80. Folks will eventually get the same result from the vaccine or the real deal. Their choice. The elites and the select few to keep things barely going had access to the real vaccine that was developed when this virus was created.. Whoever wants to write a novel on how to reduce global population without bombs has a great example. Plus the actual players are all right there on the front pages. They have it bloody made. Too bad they won't be around to enjoy the royalties.
 
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The vaccines provide protection against Covid, they don’t grant immortality. I haven’t heard anyone speculate that Powell died because his Covid vaccine had waned.
You fall right in line with Bonhoffer's theory of stupidity. Lock step. You're an intelligent lad, but your being controlled and dont even see it. I cant believe you just wrote your post above.
 
This whole thing doesn't add up. Nobody's done an "expose" on how awful this disease is, nor have I had any 'very compromised' older relatives die from it.

But I had a friend from High School, that I'd trust with my life, show me the pictures and stories of his dad in the hospital (64-years old), slowly dying of Covid (or something). I don't know, but I still trust my own eyes before anything else.
I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't add up". He and his wife both tested positive for covid (she had some pretty bad symptoms by the way but didn't need to be hospitalized). They couldn't keep his oxygen levels up. He died. This guy wasn't "older and very compromised". He was 63 and had type 2 diabetes and had a triple bypass a few years ago, but had lost some weight and was by all accounts doing ok.

I get why some people fear the vaccines but what I don't get is why they don't fear getting covid at least as as much if not more. Which they should unless they are young and healthy or already have natural immunity.
 
I get why some people fear the vaccines but what I don't get is why they don't fear getting covid at least as as much if not more.

Because to most people, it's a toss up - pick your poison. I don't understand why some people questioning others don't get this simple point and make it seem so nefarious or stupid.

I have a miniscule chance of dying from Covid.
I have a miniscule chance of dying from the Vax.

I have a miniscule chance of long term effects from Covid.
I have a miniscule chance of long term effects from the Vax.

Sorry for your acquaintance's loss. It is anecdotal though like when I posted about my neighbor dying from cardiac arrest 2-3 days after being vaxxed.
 
You fall right in line with Bonhoffer's theory of stupidity. Lock step. You're an intelligent lad, but your being controlled and dont even see it. I cant believe you just wrote your post above.


That video is beautiful. Never knew much about Bonhoffer. Thanks for sharing.

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It's like a never-ending circular dance.

If there are no cases, there are no deaths. The more cases we have, the higher the chance of deaths. These vaccines are horrible (especially J&J) at stopping spread.

Hysterical that you say the "Delta surge" led to the increase in deaths. So you're saying the vaccines do nothing against Delta? Let's revisit data.

Maryland: 40% of deaths - vaccinated
Israel: 40% of deaths - vaccinated
England: ~60% of deaths recently - vaccinated
New Brunswick: 20% of deaths - vaccinated
Vermont: 76% of deaths - vaccinated

The efficacy of of the vaccines have waned in both areas, more severely in transmissions, some in deaths. How much in deaths? That data is much harder to find.

The UK is a great source
  • 78% of Covid deaths are vaxed
  • 47% rise in teen deaths since the introduction of the vaccines
  • Cardiac arrest 999 calls at all time highs
From the UK Health Security Agency, published September 30: https://assets.publishing.service.g...238/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_39.pdf

Between August 30th 2021, and September 26th 2021:
  • 699,489 positive total positive test results recorded in England.
  • 316,002 cases were not vaccinated
  • 53,070 were partly vaccinated
  • 273,540 were fully vaccinated
  • September: Unvaxed = 45% of cases, 47% from partially/fully vaxed.
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It gets more interesting. 240,077 of the cases in the unvaccinated population were in children under the age of 18 (who are regularly tested in school in England).

So that means that in the over 18, adult population, unvaxed cases were 75,925 while vaxed cases were 313,292. 78% of cases in September in adults came from vaxed peoples. Hmmm.

England's data shows adults are up to 66% more likely to develop Covid-19 if they have been vaccinated. Huh?

Now let's look at the number of people admitted to hospital after testing positive for Covid-19 from August 30th to September 26th 2021, by vaccination status:
  • 2,922 unvaxed admissions
  • 356 partially vaxed admissions
  • 4,378 vaxed admissions
  • Unvaxed account for 38% of admissions, the vaxed 62%. What?
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Now let's look at deaths in September within 28 days of a positive test result.
  • 687 deaths unvaxed
  • 110 deaths partly vaxed
  • 2,338 deaths fully vaxed
  • 22% of deaths unvaxed, 78% vaxed peoples
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Those are some damned fine results right?
  • 47% of all cases are vaxed people
  • 78% of all adult cases are vaxed people
  • 62% of hospital admissions are vaxed people
  • 78% of all deaths are vaxed people
Now you'll do the "math" argument again, which defies logic. Because you can do a compare to last year at the same time, when no vaxes were available.

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Covid deaths in England were 11x higher give or take this September compared to last September, despite a mass vax program across the country.

If the vaccines were working to curtail deaths, you'd see fewer overall deaths from Covid.

Finally, the overall rise in teen deaths. Pretty remarkable, isn't it?

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The # of deaths June 19-Sept 17 2021 in teens 15 and over rose 47% over the same period in 2020. The increases began at the same time teens began taking the Covid vaccines. Which was at the same time cardiac arrest ambulance calls began to increase.

Just coincidence, I'm sure.

Nonsensical apples and oranges, ideological spin comparison, Tim. There was no Delta surge in England last September. Please do explain why England’s Covid deaths were 3-10X higher than they are now during October 2020- January 2021. Also, the UK’s death rate is currently .19/100k! So 1/9th of lowly vaccinated West Virginia’s miserable rate for PERSPECTIVE.

Case and death rates are decreasing across the board, just as they increased across the board during the Delta surge. For you to deny the relevance of the Delta surge shows just how delusional you really are.

Case rates and death rates are multiple times lower for all of the vaccines compared to the unvaccinated before, during and after the Delta surge. FACT.

 
This is so weird. I done been told Florida is death central for Covid.

Current cases per 100K in Florida are 10. 2nd lowest rate in the nation.

Meanwhile, New Hampshire has 40 current cases per 100K, Vermont has 36, Maine has 34.
You refer to DEATHS and then use CASE rate data. WHY? Maybe because Florida is still seeing 128 deaths/day?

New Hamphsire is seeing 3 deaths/day,
Vermont 1, Maine 4.

“But, but…CASES!”

Too easy.
 
My brother-in-law's cousin (I know that sounds like a very tangential connection but he grew up with the guy and I have spent many holidays and BBQ's with him) died of covid last week. 63, a couple of underlying conditions, but was too afraid to get vaxxed. His wife has covid too and couldn't be with him when he died.

Not presenting this as data or anything, it's just a shame. I know his wife is certainly regretting their not taking the jab, will always have to wonder if this could have been prevented.

FWIW.
I can’t imagine the regret as getting vaccinated is such a brief, simple event. It’s not like having to overcome an addiction or maintain a healthy diet and exercise over an extended period of time.
 
You refer to DEATHS and then use CASE rate data. WHY? Maybe because Florida is still seeing 128 deaths/day?

New Hamphsire is seeing 3 deaths/day,
Vermont 1, Maine 4.

“But, but…CASES!”

Too easy.

Vaccination rates:

StateVaccination Rage Ages 12-17Vaccination Rate Ages 18-64Vaccination Rate 65+
Florida57.5%75.4%99.9%
New Hampshire61.8%76.7%99.9%
Vermont78.6%84.1%99.9%
Maine66.1%81.9%99.9%


Yeah, vaccination rates, that's the ticket. That 1.3% difference between Florida and New Hampshire, ho-lee ****, that causes a plague that makes the black death look tame in comparison. You betcha chief. Right. No doubt.

Lowest vaccination rate in the nation? West Virginia.

Per capita mortality rates? West Virginia 21st, lower than New Jersey (85% ages 18 and above vaccinated), New York (83.1%), Massachusetts (87.9%), Rhode Island (84.7%, Connecticut (86.9%). Cuz West Virginia boasts that amazing 48.8% vaccination rate.


I don't usually quote freeloading imbecile douchebag liars, but here goes: "Too easy."
 
Vaccination rates:

StateVaccination Rage Ages 12-17Vaccination Rate Ages 18-64Vaccination Rate 65+
Florida57.5%75.4%99.9%
New Hampshire61.8%76.7%99.9%
Vermont78.6%84.1%99.9%
Maine66.1%81.9%99.9%


Yeah, vaccination rates, that's the ticket. That 1.3% difference between Florida and New Hampshire, ho-lee ****, that causes a plague that makes the black death look tame in comparison. You betcha chief. Right. No doubt.

Lowest vaccination rate in the nation? West Virginia.

Per capita mortality rates? West Virginia 21st, lower than New Jersey (85% ages 18 and above vaccinated), New York (83.1%), Massachusetts (87.9%), Rhode Island (84.7%, Connecticut (86.9%). Cuz West Virginia boasts that amazing 48.8% vaccination rate.


I don't usually quote freeloading imbecile douchebag liars, but here goes: "Too easy."
Florida had a Come to Jesus moment in early August for obvious reasons. Their number of fully vaccinated has increased by over 2 million, and their rate of Covid vaccination outpaced those other states by about 3 to 1 since then. Too bad that it was too late for many Floridians.
 
Vaccination rates:

StateVaccination Rage Ages 12-17Vaccination Rate Ages 18-64Vaccination Rate 65+
Florida57.5%75.4%99.9%
New Hampshire61.8%76.7%99.9%
Vermont78.6%84.1%99.9%
Maine66.1%81.9%99.9%


Yeah, vaccination rates, that's the ticket. That 1.3% difference between Florida and New Hampshire, ho-lee ****, that causes a plague that makes the black death look tame in comparison. You betcha chief. Right. No doubt.

Lowest vaccination rate in the nation? West Virginia.

Per capita mortality rates? West Virginia 21st, lower than New Jersey (85% ages 18 and above vaccinated), New York (83.1%), Massachusetts (87.9%), Rhode Island (84.7%, Connecticut (86.9%). Cuz West Virginia boasts that amazing 48.8% vaccination rate.


I don't usually quote freeloading imbecile douchebag liars, but here goes: "Too easy."
Ima just guess that death rates are probably related to age in most places, since older folks are closer to death.
And because this Covid flu is especially problematic for those older, with obesity, diabetes and other co-morbidities.

Its kinda amazing how little this really effects younger folks. Much less problematic than the average flu.
 
You fall right in line with Bonhoffer's theory of stupidity. Lock step. You're an intelligent lad, but your being controlled and dont even see it. I cant believe you just wrote your post above.

said differently:

You can't fix stupid.
 
Florida had a Come to Jesus moment in early August for obvious reasons. Their number of fully vaccinated has increased by over 2 million, and their rate of Covid vaccination outpaced those other states by about 3 to 1 since then. Too bad that it was too late for many Floridians.

Apparently all the unvaccinated moved to West Virginia, where they are dying at an alarming rate.

Well, a rate well below a bunch of your beloved left-wing vax mandating states, but anyhoo.

Oh, and do you even pay attention to what you write?!?

Today: "Florida 128 deaths this week cuz no vaccine!"

30 minutes later: "Florida vaccinated a ton of people the last two months."

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Because to most people, it's a toss up - pick your poison. I don't understand why some people questioning others don't get this simple point and make it seem so nefarious or stupid.

I have a miniscule chance of dying from Covid.
I have a miniscule chance of dying from the Vax.

I have a miniscule chance of long term effects from Covid.
I have a miniscule chance of long term effects from the Vax.

Sorry for your acquaintance's loss. It is anecdotal though like when I posted about my neighbor dying from cardiac arrest 2-3 days after being vaxxed.
Yes, I explicitly stated I was not posting it as data. I don't think I've called anything nefarious or stupid. Even if we take the VAERS reports as factual things all caused by the vaccine (which they aren't) it's still hundreds of thousands fewer deaths than caused by covid. That is reality. The risks are not equivalent, especially for people with comorbidities. I wish he hadn't been too afraid to get the vaccine. He might be alive today. Maybe not, who knows. But I believe the data shows his chances would have been a lot better,
 
My brother-in-law's cousin (I know that sounds like a very tangential connection but he grew up with the guy and I have spent many holidays and BBQ's with him) died of covid last week. 63, a couple of underlying conditions, but was too afraid to get vaxxed. His wife has covid too and couldn't be with him when he died.

Not presenting this as data or anything, it's just a shame. I know his wife is certainly regretting their not taking the jab, will always have to wonder if this could have been prevented.

FWIW.
THAT is utter and absolute HORSE MANURE!
I would be in jail infecting people if they said I couldn't be with my spouse during their waning minutes.
 
Nonsensical apples and oranges, ideological spin comparison, Tim. There was no Delta surge in England last September. Please do explain why England’s Covid deaths were 3-10X higher than they are now during October 2020- January 2021. Also, the UK’s death rate is currently .19/100k! So 1/9th of lowly vaccinated West Virginia’s miserable rate for PERSPECTIVE.

Case and death rates are decreasing across the board, just as they increased across the board during the Delta surge. For you to deny the relevance of the Delta surge shows just how delusional you really are.

Case rates and death rates are multiple times lower for all of the vaccines compared to the unvaccinated before, during and after the Delta surge. FACT.


No it is firm, undeniable data. Your denial is strong.

England:
  • 47% of all cases are vaxed people
  • 78% of all adult cases are vaxed people
  • 62% of hospital admissions are vaxed people
  • 78% of all deaths are vaxed people
Their deaths this September are higher than their deaths last September.

Despite being highly vaxed.

The vaccines don't work that well Floggy. Keep the faith.
 
THAT is utter and absolute HORSE MANURE!
I would be in jail infecting people if they said I couldn't be with my spouse during their waning minutes.
It's horrible, however she had symptomatic covid. I don't know how you let her walk into a hospital let alone an ICU.
 
You refer to DEATHS and then use CASE rate data. WHY? Maybe because Florida is still seeing 128 deaths/day?

New Hamphsire is seeing 3 deaths/day,
Vermont 1, Maine 4.

“But, but…CASES!”

Too easy.

Cases lead to deaths. Baiting you into admitting that these vaccines don't prevent spread is far too easy. Thanks for that win.
 
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