Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

Keep telling yourself this.

First quarter of the year, "breakthrough infections are incredibly rare."

2nd quarter of the year, pundits and the media began scratching their head and the gubmint began scrambling as breakthrough cases rose.

In October, over 30% of cases in MD were vaccinated people.
In October, 40% of people who died in MD were vaccinated (I assume they occupied hospital beds).
25% of people dying in WA state are vaccinated.

All across the country, those numbers are rising, not getting better.

Boosters are now needed because the vaccines work so poorly.

The vaccinated are taking up an ever increasing number of hospital beds. Dr Fauci himself said - we are seeing a SIGNIFICANT increase in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths among the vaccinated. They are now at risk.

Problem is, you keep reading bullshit headlines like this without seeing the obvious:

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All of the reports are bullshit like this one. "We see a rise in hospitalizations among the vaccinated...but the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital."

You can't make this **** up.

the other issue thats ignored is that as more people get the virus, more people have natural immunity. estimations are that 60% or more of the country has had it by now… probably higher, so eventually the virus burns itself out… thats how viruses work… vaccines are great if they stop transmission, if not then basically the virus still follows the same path as if the vaccine wasn’t even there.

No, doctors really aren’t on both sides of the issue. I work for almost 300 docs and meet with several of them every week. They’re very pro-vaccine and are in frustrated disbelief of the anti-vaxers and patients doing their own “research” online.

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

New data point toward high COVID-19 vaccine confidence among practicing physicians.

www.ama-assn.org

Maryland hospital workers are now largely vaccinated, even if many COVID patients are not

Maryland hospitals say their workers are largely complying with COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

www.baltimoresun.com

so a few issues with what you are showing… if its the same study, that AMA one is six months old and was something like 300 doctors total… this study was from when the general consensus among the general doctors was that the vaccines were going to stop infection and not wane. Its definitely not the attitude i got from a portion of the doctors or nurses I saw in the hospital right now.

I can absolutely tell you the mindset changed as the data did…

Your second one about the Maryland facility is more flawed… its limited to a single large healthcare provider that already mandated the vaccines or exemption months ago… mostly anyone unvaccinated has left so of course their numbers are high

 

[Steeltime]

I for one am thrilled that Floggy can take valuable time away from rooting for Americans to die to preach about the morality of vaccines.

 

[madinsomniac]

I mean Troggy, Im at the hospital right now for some follow up tests, i can try to take a poll here if you want… I absolutely know the doctors and nurses from the covid ward that told me to get vaxed and the ones who told me they weren’t and weren’t going to… i mean I don’t know what else you’d want… these hospitals are operating at 60% or less of staff and half the building is vacant wards because people are quitting ratger than get vaxed… this one considers having had tge virus tge same as being vaccinated… so only the ones that didn’t have it yet have quit

 

[GILBERT]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
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What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

 

[Troglodyte]

If the vaccines worked and President ShitsHisPants promises had come through, we wouldn't be here would we?

Trump is the former President.

 

[Superman]

Death rates (and hospitalizations) aren’t great for the unvaccinated and they’re getting worse. I wouldn’t care if we told the unvaccinated to **** off and deny them medical care, but that’s not going to happen and innocent people will suffer as a result.

that's pretty damn raysiss and i've received texts from Ark that show less raysissm than that. holy hell.

 

[Superman]

1/10,000 is the rate of myocarditis in young males after vaccination. Mostly mild. Go back, source provided.

i dont see a source. where?

 

[Badcat]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

First off, labeling people anti-vaxxer is where you are wrong at the very start. I'll speak for myself, but if there was a real vaccine, you know, one that actually kept me from getting a virus and therefore spread it to others, then I wouldn't have a problem getting it. I don't get a flu vaccine either because I seem to get the flu anyways (I seem to get lucky and get the strain that the flu vaccine didnt cover}

So, why get a shot that doesn't keep me from getting the virus? To lessen the symptoms if I were to contract the virus? Maybe, if the side effects weren't life debilitating and possibly deadly. So, I weighed my options and decided to not get the vaccine until something comes along that is more protective and less dangerous to my health.

 

[Troglodyte]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

Good question and I suspect they don’t. Their objection to the vaccine (and Covid restrictions) is based in an anti-government ideology. The government has urged them to do something, so they are refusing to do it out of spite regardless of the science behind it.

 

[Badcat]

Good question and I suspect they don’t. Their objection to the vaccine (and Covid restrictions) is based in an anti-government ideology. The government has urged them to do something, so they are refusing to do it out of spite regardless of the science behind it.

WRONG!!

 

[Superman]

I never killed anyone by spreading Covid.

link?

 

[Superman]

We're back over 1,300 COVID deaths per day, in case you are one of the painstakingly naive people who thinks this is *over.*

Close to 1 per minute

but its only the unvaccinated who are dying since your precious vaccine is "working"

shouldnt all the unvaccinated be dead by now anyway?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You’re delusional. Massachusetts? Here’s a reality **** sandwich for breakfast, enjoy!

Rise in COVID-19 hospitalizations in Mass. is driven by those who are unvaccinated, Baker says - The Boston Globe

“If you look at the hospitalization rates of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in Massachusetts, if the unvaccinated got vaccinated, we drop our hospitalization rates by 50 percent," Governor Baker said on Monday.

www.bostonglobe.com

The rise, as I laid out, which you cannot refute, is in what your good Dr. Lord and Savior told you - cases, hospitalizations, deaths among the vaccinated. SUBSTANTIAL rise.

Mass is the perfect example. Like a car accelerating, we went from incredibly rare 1% breakthrough cases to over 40% of all cases in some states.

It's rising. And rising. Because the vaccines shots continue to fail.

 

[NCSteelerfan]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I am anti- vax mandates as pushed by the federal govt.

Now, let me ask you about doctors - because I have several experiences where doctor recommendations were based on what the pharma company was pushing and caused harm. I am part of a group of over 45,000 women that had essure pushed on them as the better alternative to tubal ligation - because there wasn't surgery involved. Now, I'm not getting into all the particulars in this post, as you can do a quick search on essure to see what the problems were, the lawsuits, the surgeries and lives ruined and lost, etc. For something that was supposed to be so awesome and not require surgery - I had to get surgery to remove them this past year due to one of the coils dislodging and migrating into my uterus.

We can also discuss the opioid crisis and how doctors were complicit in that whole **** show - and over prescribing. Hell, back in the 2010's and prior there were all these pain clinics being set up by investors that all they did was pay doctors to prescribe pain meds, and xanax and **** like that to people. I know this, because my husband's older brother ran one of these clinics in FL. years ago. Doctors would give a **** what poison they were prescribing as long as they got paid.

Many instances of doctors not listening to patients about what is going on with their bodies, particularly in the GYN field. You know, those hysterical women are over reacting and there is nothing wrong with them. Many stories about this going on - why do you think there was a discussion about how race played into this and how black women were seen as being even more over reactionary about what is going on with their own bodies. It's always awesome to have a doctor dismiss you so quickly - seen a lot of this in the essure group I'm in where doctors basically scoffed at these women telling them the problem was with the essure device, and being told it's all in their heads.

Now, i'm not saying that all doctors are like this, but they are people and will have their own leanings. I have a hard time with the "trust all the doctors" when there are plenty of instances where there are ones that shouldn't be trusted. I'm lucky that my primary care doctor is one that listens and checks things out. It's what helped with my gall bladder diagnosis and finding out that one of my essure coils was not where it should be.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So how did Omicron get to Australia if it wasn’t people traveling internationally? Are you back to claiming Covid is random, not contagious? Seems like you are.

That's the question we have all been asking you Flogged LMAO and that IS THE JOKE!!! You cannot be this serious???? I mean, there's memes making fun of the lockdowns...if they worked, how'd Omicron make it to Australia??

You're the lockdown proponent. Australian tyranny has kept the nation locked down has it not? People were arrested for traveling internationally (true).

The joke's on you and you didn't even realize it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Maryland? How many times and different ways does Simpson’s paradox need to be explained to you?

Doctors dispel deceiving statistics on COVID-19 deaths in Maryland

New statistics show 30% of those who died from COVID-19 in Maryland over the last six weeks were fully vaccinated, but experts said those numbers can be deceiving.

www.wbaltv.com

Yes, Maryalnd. A state where we were told breakthrough cases were "incredibly rare" and the vaccines protect people.

All disproven.

FORTY percent of deaths - vaxed people. You can try to spin that **** all you want. In January if I had told you that in October 40% of one state's deaths would be vaccinated people, you'd have lost your ******* mind. Now? You try to explain it away.

 

[Superman]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

i'll be 100% honest in my response.

As noted before, I got the double stab last year. I scheduled time to see an uncle who was not doing well. He had COPD, lung cancer, was exposed to Agent Orange while in Vietnam and smoked since he was young (different times back then).

My second shot was early May. A few weeks later, I had an emergency appendectomy. Completely healthy prior. Yes, appendectomies happen and always will, but the rate at which they are happening now - since the vaccine shot was introduced - is higher. Is there a correlation to my appendectomy and getting the shot? No clue. Purely coincidental, it seems. However, going through that and the onslaught of medical bills resulting from this, gives me extreme pause in getting a booster.

Would I refuse Chemo if I had cancer? no. We've studied cancer for decades and chemo, while harsh on the body, is a great defense to preventing spread.

@madinsomniac hit on something earlier regarding blood pressure medication.

how many different variations of blood pressure medications are available? I know of three, but there are undoubtedly more. Each can have unintended consequences, so only by trial and error can someone locate the correct one for them. Why is it that we have only three specific vaccines for this virus? We should/could have more by now, but due to who knows what we do not.

 

[Steeltime]

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

I would decline chemotherapy if I did not have cancer. Much like I would probably decline any other drug I did not need. Specifically, if I had the Chinese flu in 2020 and recovered just fine, thank you, and am not at-risk, why the hell would I need the drug? Hence, my "chemo with no cancer" analogy.

Get it?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Trump is the former President.

Stick to posting ****** links. You're even worse at humor.

 

[Superman]

Stick to posting ****** links. You're even worse at humor.

oh. that was be flogHumoR?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

New data point toward high COVID-19 vaccine confidence among practicing physicians.

www.ama-assn.org

You still keep posting this **** from June. We tore it apart before. You don't learn. 300 doctors surveyed out of a million. Wheeeee.

We provided you with other physician surveys that counter this bullshit tripe you continue to repost.

 

[Steeltime]

You still keep posting this **** from June. We tore it apart before. You don't learn. 300 doctors surveyed out of a million. Wheeeee.

One survey I saw showed that 100% of Floggies root for Americans to be denied medical care and die.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I am fully vaxxed.

Wow, congratulations. Do you want stars on the refrigerator?

I'm naturally immune. Kicks your vaccine's ***.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

There isn't a person here who is an anti-vaxxer. That label is as offensive as calling a conservative a racist and as ignorant.

We are anti-these-vaccines. Vast difference. I'm all vaccinated for everything else except Covid. When Novavax is approved, I'll get that vaccine as well.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

On EUA experimental rushed non-liability vaccines? As far as I can.

And remember, like NC Steeler fan mentioned, doctors have killed a lot of people.

Last estimate I saw was 250,000 people die annually due to medical errors. Seems you might question your 100% faith in medicine?

 

[madinsomniac]

I am fully vaxxed. I'm all for people having their own opinions and not here to throw mud.

What I don't understand from the anti-vaxxers (and I have some in my own family) is do you refute medicine/advice from doctors for all other illnesses?

Antibiotics
Freezing

What about treatment for Cancer, MS, etc, etc, etc. Or even knocked out to remove a tooth.

My sister in law (anti-vaxxer) has kids that had severe asthma as kids. Regularly made trips to the emergency room for treatment. Don't recall questioning the medication and approach at the time.

I just had a stomach scope (not uncommon). I wasn't 'put-out' but I was on some pretty good drugs for an hour. Took me on a wild ride.

How far do you push the 'I don't trust the science/doctors' side of the fence?

Curious.

Until the second generation vaccines come out…

The vast majority of us simply want a traditional scientific method style vaccine, not an utterly unproven one… potential long term side effects from the mrna process are a thousand times more significant than covid.

The plan for operation warp speed was always to get the experimental obes out fast then get a traditional one (or several) out in the summer. These have been delayed for various bullshit reasons… for some illogical reason the proven vaccine methods had to jump through more hoops than the ones that never has been shown to work or be safe. (Iirc J&j had one seni successful adreno delivered spike protein before, but it also had a stroke risk)

So basically here is my issue:
We are using three vaccines all very simular in what they do on the back end with a slight difference in delivery system for tge J&J one… we turned down the AV one similar to j&j for similar risks, by the way…

We are basing everything off of three months of clinical data and the rest observational guesswork.

Almost all of the theoretically possible adverse long term effects that were discussed Before the vaccines were ever released are not only still possible, in some cases we are seeing proof they are happening.

So basically there is zero chance ill get the first three out ever… most of us will gladly get a traditional vaccine. They are in use all over the world just not here… China is the only country not using the mrna stuff but a lot of countries are using vaccines we aren’t…

So antivax is a bad label… i as well as most of tge unvaccinated are willing to get something using a methodology that has decades of safety data behind it , not just opinions and theories

 

[GILBERT]

Until the second generation vaccines come out…

The vast majority of us simply want a traditional scientific method style vaccine, not an utterly unproven one… potential long term side effects from the mrna process are a thousand times more significant than covid.

The plan for operation warp speed was always to get the experimental obes out fast then get a traditional one (or several) out in the summer. These have been delayed for various bullshit reasons… for some illogical reason the proven vaccine methods had to jump through more hoops than the ones that never has been shown to work or be safe. (Iirc J&j had one seni successful adreno delivered spike protein before, but it also had a stroke risk)

So basically here is my issue:
We are using three vaccines all very simular in what they do on the back end with a slight difference in delivery system for tge J&J one… we turned down the AV one similar to j&j for similar risks, by the way…

We are basing everything off of three months of clinical data and the rest observational guesswork.

Almost all of the theoretically possible adverse long term effects that were discussed Before the vaccines were ever released are not only still possible, in some cases we are seeing proof they are happening.

So basically there is zero chance ill get the first three out ever… most of us will gladly get a traditional vaccine. They are in use all over the world just not here… China is the only country not using the mrna stuff but a lot of countries are using vaccines we aren’t…

So antivax is a bad label… i as well as most of tge unvaccinated are willing to get something using a methodology that has decades of safety data behind it , not just opinions and theories

Apologies for the incorrect label.
Thanks for your mature feedback.