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Covid Vaccine

oneforthebus said:
Can you blame them? Honestly I was an enthusiastic covid vaccine supporter, a "follow the science" person from the beginning. But the way the vaccines have failed us combined with the horribly muddled messaging and outright misinformation at times from our government and scientific community has made even people like me question things. There can be no doubt at this point that while the vaccines have some value in preventing severe illness and death, they also have some pretty significant if uncommon side effects and they DO NOT PREVENT SPREAD. Therefore this continued demonization of people who may have valid concerns about getting them is wrong and is also counterproductive. If you really want people to get them, persuade them that it will keep them out of the hospital. Stop shaming them with the pretense that they are hurting other people. Mandates and shaming have done nothing but make people dig in their heels and become even more suspicious (as I predicted they would months and months ago). People don't like to be forced to do things.
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Maybe I'd feel sorry for them, or understand them a bit better, if they haven't been so bellicose and over-the-top from the word Go. It's not like they gradually, and rationally, reached some sort of nuanced understanding of Covid, vaccines, mitigation measures over the span of the past two years, like you have. It's been dialed up to 10+ from the beginning. But you're right, no use in provoking anyone further. Everyone's firmly entrenched in their views.
 
Tibs said:
Maybe I'd feel sorry for them, or understand them a bit better, if they haven't been so bellicose and over-the-top from the word Go. It's not like they gradually, and rationally, reached some sort of nuanced understanding of Covid, vaccines, mitigation measures over the span of the past two years, like you have. It's been dialed up to 10+ from the beginning. But you're right, no use in provoking anyone further. Everyone's firmly entrenched in their views.
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No one's asking you to feel sorry for anyone. The point is this has been badly mishandled at numerous levels. Trump and right wing misinformation have played some part in that, I have acknowledged that here numerous times. You can't understand or acknowledge anything outside of your own echo chamber. The sneering superiority act is about as persuasive to people as lint.
 
Tibs said:
Would love to see you or anyone else point out how I've been *perpetually attacking the USA for years since 2016.*

Because I dare criticize the board's heartthrob, dingbat Donald Trump? Because I call out unhinged, MAGA Republicans? That's *attacking the USA?* You folks are dumber than I thought. Wait, check that. Just confirms what is clear as day.
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You make everything political and contradict the hell out of yourself. Pat yourself on the back if it makes you feel better. Everyone sees it except you.

It’s not because we have differing political viewpoints. You cannot get past your own emotion and put your politics aside when presented conflicting information
 
Tibs said:
Maybe I'd feel sorry for them, or understand them a bit better, if they haven't been so bellicose and over-the-top from the word Go. It's not like they gradually, and rationally, reached some sort of nuanced understanding of Covid, vaccines, mitigation measures over the span of the past two years, like you have. It's been dialed up to 10+ from the beginning. But you're right, no use in provoking anyone further. Everyone's firmly entrenched in their views.
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You couldn't be more spectacularly wrong.

I'll speak on my own behalf. Day one, I locked down. I hoarded food, packed my 3 freezers, bought everything one doesn't need in triplicate including, yes, toilet paper. I wouldn't let any go or come. I once wiped off my groceries. I masked up. I did it all.

Then I began to see the forest through the trees, read voraciously, and saw what was indeed happening. It was going to be endemic, it wasn't going away and started witnessing how lockdowns, masking, social distancing were not working. By the end of 2020, this was abundantly clear.

I hoped the measures would have worked. I lost more than I care to share. I wanted them to work.

But I'm also not an idiot, wanting to repeat the same measures over and over and over again that don't work.

I hesitated on the vaccines as well, because by then, yeah I was skeptical. And I've said it before and I'll repeat it - when there is a traditionally developed, safe vaccine, I'll be right there to get one.

For you however to say that so many of us were dialed up to 10 day one is misinformed, wrong, and exactly what you do on a daily basis - demonize any and every person you don't agree with. As your Liberal religion has taught you to do.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
You couldn't be more spectacularly wrong.

I'll speak on my own behalf. Day one, I locked down. I hoarded food, packed my 3 freezers, bought everything one doesn't need in triplicate including, yes, toilet paper. I wouldn't let any go or come. I once wiped off my groceries. I masked up. I did it all.

Then I began to see the forest through the trees, read voraciously, and saw what was indeed happening. It was going to be endemic, it wasn't going away and started witnessing how lockdowns, masking, social distancing were not working. By the end of 2020, this was abundantly clear.

I hoped the measures would have worked. I lost more than I care to share. I wanted them to work.

But I'm also not an idiot, wanting to repeat the same measures over and over and over again that don't work.

I hesitated on the vaccines as well, because by then, yeah I was skeptical. And I've said it before and I'll repeat it - when there is a traditionally developed, safe vaccine, I'll be right there to get one.

For you however to say that so many of us were dialed up to 10 day one is misinformed, wrong, and exactly what you do on a daily basis - demonize any and every person you don't agree with. As your Liberal religion has taught you to do.
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Exactly.

These vaccines have proven ineffective but because we refuse to take one according to tibs; makes us racist.

Masking up. Adults can make their own choice. If they want to mask up. That’s their choice. If they don’t thats their choice. Why it gets blown out of proportion is a question mark. I’ll comply with mask mandates if makes others feel at ease, but I don’t wear them aside from that.


Anything else is all just divisive political gain from those who should be rallying the country together and not tearing everyone apart through propaganda
 
Tibs said:
Maybe I'd feel sorry for them, or understand them a bit better, if they haven't been so bellicose and over-the-top from the word Go. It's not like they gradually, and rationally, reached some sort of nuanced understanding of Covid, vaccines, mitigation measures over the span of the past two years, like you have. It's been dialed up to 10+ from the beginning. But you're right, no use in provoking anyone further. Everyone's firmly entrenched in their views.
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We’re adults. We don’t need anyone feeling sorry for anyone. Every one here can vent and float ideas which very may well save our life out in the real world.

This thread part of the forum is the most useful piece of info if you can put the politics aside. Forget football and drinking for a bit. We have americans divided, nasty weather hitting the coast and a potential ukraine/russian showdown which will no doubt lead to our young soldiers being called into action.


Instead of attacking fellow americans cause they voted for Trump or Biden or refuse a vaccine with shady side effects. We need to come learn to come together again. **** is getting real right now
 
Tibs, let me enlighten you on the whole mask thing. My father( giant douche nozzle but very intelligent) worked as a nuclear engineer for his entire career doing the filtration for plants worldwide. He is an expert on this ****. He will tell explain to ou in detail using his 2 degrees from Carnegie Mellon U. exactly why anything short of an n95 properly fitted and, worn correctly and only on a clean shaven face is worthless to do anything to prevent this spread in any measurable degree. Masks mandates were toal bullshit as written and enforced. They didn't use real science on the mandates only the feels. They could have helped IF they had been instituted properly and with the right masks. Even then the epidemiology of this virus shows that would not have been stopped even then only slowed down and spread out over a longer time. That is pure science.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Tibs, let me enlighten you on the whole mask thing. My father( giant douche nozzle but very intelligent) worked as nuclear engineer for his entire career doing the filtration for plants worldwide. He is an expert on this ****. He will tell explain to ou in detail using his 2 degrees from Carnegie Mellon U. exactly why anything short of an n95 properly fitted and, worn correctly and only on a clean shaven face is worthless to do anything to prevent this spread in any measurable degree. Masks mandates were toal bullshit as written and enforced. They didn't use real science on the mandates only the feels. They could have helped IF they had been instituted properly and with the right masks. Even then the epidemiology of this virus shows that would not have been stopped even then only slowed down and spread out over a longer time. That is pure science.
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Mask do make others look purdy though
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
My father( giant douche nozzle but very intelligent) worked as a nuclear engineer for his entire career doing the filtration for plants worldwide. He is an expert on this ****. He will tell explain to ou in detail using his 2 degrees from Carnegie Mellon U. exactly why anything short of an n95 properly fitted and, worn correctly and only on a clean shaven face is worthless to do anything to prevent this spread in any measurable degree.
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aahh, I don't know...... I think I trust the Hungarian and his credentials on the subject over some book smart nuclear engineer.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Tibs, let me enlighten you on the whole mask thing. My father( giant douche nozzle but very intelligent) worked as a nuclear engineer for his entire career doing the filtration for plants worldwide. He is an expert on this ****. He will tell explain to ou in detail using his 2 degrees from Carnegie Mellon U. exactly why anything short of an n95 properly fitted and, worn correctly and only on a clean shaven face is worthless to do anything to prevent this spread in any measurable degree. Masks mandates were toal bullshit as written and enforced. They didn't use real science on the mandates only the feels. They could have helped IF they had been instituted properly and with the right masks. Even then the epidemiology of this virus shows that would not have been stopped even then only slowed down and spread out over a longer time. That is pure science.
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Thanks for your insight & perspective. Hope everyone stays safe & healthy and we get through this, one way or another.
 
MTC said:
Exactly.

These vaccines have proven ineffective but because we refuse to take one according to tibs; makes us racist.

Masking up. Adults can make their own choice. If they want to mask up. That’s their choice. If they don’t thats their choice. Why it gets blown out of proportion is a question mark. I’ll comply with mask mandates if makes others feel at ease, but I don’t wear them aside from that.


Anything else is all just divisive political gain from those who should be rallying the country together and not tearing everyone apart through propaganda
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What kills me about the white liberals is that to them if a minority refuses to take the vaccine it’s because of the mistrust from the past and they just “need more education.” If a white person refuses the vaccine, then they are an ignorant, selfish racist.
 
SojournerSteel said:
What kills me about the white liberals is that to them if a minority refuses to take the vaccine it’s because of the mistrust from the past and they just “need more education.” If a white person refuses the vaccine, then they are an ignorant, selfish racist.
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That’s politcs and snobbery at it’s finest. I feel the majority of any sane adult can look past that learn to get along and move forward for everyones sake
 
My concerns remain the same… i think the long term health issues from the vaccines they rushed are going to beca real problem a few years down the road

This along with the complete mess of tge lockdowns are going to really jade people on future pandemics…. Which runs tge danger of more serious viruses being treated less seriously by the public going forward
 
MTC said:
These vaccines have proven ineffective but because we refuse to take one according to tibs; makes us racist.
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People have gone off the reservation about the experimental flu shot,masks and listening to frauds on tv with a political agenda.


This has been the strangest 2 years of my life watching society. My brain is having issues grasping the stupidity of it all. Common sense and reason has been replaced with madness.
 
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