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Democrat Supporters: Persuade Me

Troglodyte said:
I literally just described various aspects of the socialist democracies you claim don’t exist.
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The description exists as a creative cover for actual Socialism. It isn't a real political philosophy, it is simply a lie to make Socialism sound palatable to idiots like you. Their end game is always full blown Socialism.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
The description exists as a creative cover for actual Socialism. It isn't a real political philosophy, it is simply a lie to make Socialism sound palatable to idiots like you. Their end game is always full blown Socialism.
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WTF? So the Nordic countries are actually socialist?

You want to get rid of Medicare and social security because of the unavoidable end game?
 
Troglodyte said:
WTF? So the Nordic countries are actually socialist?

You want to get rid of Medicare and social security because of the unavoidable end game?
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we can just keep copying and pasting this or you can read it once. or twice. or until the lightbulb goes on in your vacuum-sealed Somalian sized head.

The debate on the Steeler Nation Forum highlights a common point of confusion: the line between "socialism" and "social democracy" (often referred to as socialist democracy).
While they sound similar, they differ significantly in how they treat private property and the market.

1. Socialism​

In its traditional sense, socialism is an economic and political system where the means of production (factories, land, and large businesses) are owned or controlled by the community or the state.
  • Goal: To eliminate the "capitalist" class and ensure that the wealth generated by labor is distributed more equally.
  • Ownership: Private property in the form of industry is largely abolished or nationalized.
  • Market: The government often plays a direct role in planning the economy rather than relying on market competition.

2. Social Democracy (Socialist Democracy)​

This is the model used by many successful European nations (like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) mentioned in the forum discussion. These countries are capitalist, not socialist.
  • Goal: To provide a strong "social safety net" within a competitive market economy.
  • Ownership: Most businesses are privately owned. People can start companies, own property, and build wealth.
  • Market: It relies on a free-market economy but uses high taxation and government regulation to fund public services like healthcare, education, and parental leave.

Comparison at a Glance​

FeatureSocialismSocial Democracy
EconomyPublic or state ownership.Capitalist/Market-based.
Private PropertyLimited or abolished for industry.Protected and encouraged.
Social ServicesProvided by the state.Provided by the state, funded by taxes.
GoalReplace capitalism.Reform capitalism to be "fairer."
Key Distinction: As noted by some users in the thread, the "Nordic Model" is essentially Capitalism with a safety net. True socialism involves the government "seizing the means of production," which is not how modern social democracies operate.
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Superman said:
we can just keep copying and pasting this or you can read it once. or twice. or until the lightbulb goes on in your vacuum-sealed Somalian sized head.
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Go back and read post #25 and take note of who the author is. Hint: it’s not me.
 
Troglodyte said:
WTF? So the Nordic countries are actually socialist?

You want to get rid of Medicare and social security because of the unavoidable end game?
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No dip ****. Not even remotely as they are not socialist in any way. Social programs do NOT equate to SOCIALISM. They may be irresponsible and a step that direction in some cases but they are not Socialist. The term Democratic Socialist as used by most politicians is just cover for Socialism. European countries you have listed are in no way Socialist for having these Social programs. There economic systems are purely capitalist otherwise they wouldn't remotely be able to afford their Social programs.

Shills like you and others like to try and tack Socialist Democracy on to something without a ******* clue. Hell, they aren't even true democracies let alone socialist.
 
oneforthebus said:
I'm genuinely interested. In this thread please explain to me who exactly you support as our next president and why. Only one rule...you cannot mention Trump or explain why this candidate is better than Trump or talk in any way about how awful Trump is. (Trump after all, is not running next time).

Tell me what your candidate will do, what policies they support, what their accomplishments are and why they will be great for the country, aside from "They're not Trump".
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Sooooo are you persuaded?

In my opinion the democrats have some decent people but those are over shadowed by the AOCs and Gavins of the world.
 
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
No dip ****. Not even remotely as they are not socialist in any way. Social programs do NOT equate to SOCIALISM. They may be irresponsible and a step that direction in some cases but they are not Socialist. The term Democratic Socialist as used by most politicians is just cover for Socialism. European countries you have listed are in no way Socialist for having these Social programs. There economic systems are purely capitalist otherwise they wouldn't remotely be able to afford their Social programs.

Shills like you and others like to try and tack Socialist Democracy on to something without a ******* clue. Hell, they aren't even true democracies let alone socialist.
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😂 Social programs aren’t socialist? Dude! The terminology isn’t coincidental. You have no idea what you’re trying to argue and it’s awkwardly obvious.
 
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