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Doom and Gloom as Climate Change is the topic again

All these cubicle generation attention whoring alarmists are the same, give them more money to fund more studies to ‘fix’ things. When they already admit they had it all wrong from the start.

How is "NORMAL" climate defined?

Define the “correct” temperature range for the planet.


You can't

Because there have been many ice ages and warmer periods in the last million years years that changed the world's climate without ANY influence from man.

This crock about ‘controlling’ the earth’s temperature is one of the most laughable aspects of these global warming disciples and their loony predictions.
 
FAKE SCIENCE



Climate Change - ‘We Faked It!’ – Top Obama Official Stabs Him In The Back With Huge Admission

Climate Change. Officials from the former Obama White House are starting to speak out against the corrupt administration now that it is safe to come forward. It’s about time!

The most recent official to come forward is Steven Koonin, the former Undersecretary of the Department of Energy. He is accusing President Obama of fabricating scientific evidence proving “climate change”.

“What you saw coming out of the press releases about climate data, climate analysis, was, I’d say, misleading, sometimes just wrong,” Koonin told the Wall Street Journal.

According to Koonin, multiple departments responsible for environmental science either misrepresented data or completely fabricated results to justify the policies of the Obama administration.

Scientists at NASA and the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) colluded with press officers to create misleading press releases that supported the former president’s agenda.

https://www.usapoliticstoday.com/official-climate-change-obama/
 
Breaking news! This just in!
It ha been determined ....climate change caused the Mexico City earthquake! News at 11!

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Yeah NOAA is exaggerating because they want more hits on their site....................



No NOAA is searching for ways to justify expanding its budget like every other government agency.
 
No NOAA is searching for ways to justify expanding its budget like every other government agency.

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Same group of people that scream science about climate change are the same people that believe there are more than two genders. Defies logic.
 

Quoting Lamar Smith....................lol

As chair of the Committee on Science, Space and Technology, Lamar Smith has repeatedly fought against inquiries into what ExxonMobil knew about climate change (#ExxonKnew). Smith has sent letters to several environmental groups and U.S. attorneys general demanding communications regarding their investigations. [4]

Before his appointment to chair the House Science Committee in 2012, Smith had a history of climate change denial. In 2009, after the “Climategate” hacking of climate scientists' emails from a server at the University of East Anglia, Smith took to the House floor to attack scientists and journalists “determined to advance the idea of human-made global warming.” [5]

In addition to defending ExxonMobil, Lamar Smith has repeatedly attacked the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and has also fought against the NOAA (National Atmospheric Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) over a study it published showing that climate change had not paused or slowed down, counter to what many climate change deniers have claimed. [6]

The Guardian describes Lamar Smith as a “climate scientist witch hunter.” Smith's fellow Committee member Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX) said that during the two years and ten months Smith had served as chair (as of November 2015), the Committee has issued more subpoenas than it had in its entire 54-year history prior. She also noted that Smith had handed over public health data to a researcher with ties to “Big Tobacco” in the past, which says says is “representative of a disturbing pattern.” [7]

According to the Center for Responsive Politics' OpenSecret.org database, Rep. Smith has received $684,947 from the oil and gas industry since 1998 — making oil and gas his most generous industry contributor throughout his career. [8]

Oil Change International's Dirty Energy Money database shows that Smith has taken $24,770 campaign contributions from Exxon since 1999. [9], [4]



https://www.desmogblog.com/lamar-smith

Now let's hear from Dr. Bates himself:

Tuesday, in an interview with E&E News, Bates himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was,” he told reporter Scott Waldman. And Bates told ScienceInsider that he is wary of his critique becoming a talking point for those skeptical of human-caused climate change. But it was important for this conversation about data integrity to happen, he says. “That’s where I came down after a lot of soul searching. I knew people would misuse this. But you can't control other people,” he says.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...ed-flap-over-high-profile-warming-pause-study


Personal grudge?

Some suggest Bates’s criticism might also have a personal side to it. Tanner says Bates was administratively admonished and relieved of a supervisory position at NCEI in 2012, at a time when Karl led the center. Karl confirms that Bates was removed from his post as division chief, and placed in a position where he was not supervising other people.

Bates confirms the job shift, but denies his complaints are driven by any animus toward Karl. “He's just sort of an example. The reason I wanted to have a more public discussion was not to focus on him, [but] to have a bigger discussion about how we ensure the quality of the data,” Bates says.

Bates also says he was not the "whistleblower" cited in the past by Smith’s committee. Others note the accusations mirror those previously floated by Smith. And Karl says he can now understand why the committee has pursued him. “They're getting a lot of misleading information... I can understand why they’ve gone in the direction that’s not reflecting reality,” he says.

In a strange coincidence, Peterson ran into Bates at the theater in Asheville on Saturday, shortly before the Mail article was published. He says he asked Bates how retirement was treating him. Bates replied that it was “going to get interesting,” then walked off without clarifying what he meant. The play they were attending: Shakespeare’s Much Ado About Nothing.

“That just strikes me as perfect,” Peterson says.


And TIny Tim makes an *** of himself yet again....there truly is nothing new under the sun.

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All these cubicle generation attention whoring alarmists are the same, give them more money to fund more studies to ‘fix’ things. When they already admit they had it all wrong from the start.

How is "NORMAL" climate defined?

Define the “correct” temperature range for the planet.


You can't

Because there have been many ice ages and warmer periods in the last million years years that changed the world's climate without ANY influence from man.

This crock about ‘controlling’ the earth’s temperature is one of the most laughable aspects of these global warming disciples and their loony predictions.

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Richard Dawkins Baffled by Stupidity
 
It's funny how Twattie and Tibtard can never dispute rational comments. Instead they just quote nutty socialists or fake news and post stupid memes that do nothing more than confirm their severe retardation and hatred for the USA.


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It's funny how Twattie and Tibtard can never dispute rational comments. Instead they just quote nutty socialists or fake news and post stupid memes that do nothing more than confirm their severe retardation and hatred for the USA.





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You actually want me to address the stuff Spike posted? Do you know how ignorant the things he said in that post are?

You can even be you Indy, and still understand why the climate conditions we care about are the ones we evolved into as a species , not the climate of 2 million years ago or 3 billion for that matter when multicellular life came to be.
 
Global Cooling Alert!


California hit by snow storms

Snow fell in Sierra Nevada on the last day of summer, giving the towering mountain range shared by California and Nevada a wintry look in September and making travel hazardous.

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Sixteen vehicles crashed on Interstate 80 as snow and hail fell Thursday, killing a man driving a pickup truck and causing minor injuries to a few other people, said California Highway Patrol Officer Chris Nave.

Snow dusted peaks in Yosemite National Park and temporarily closed Tioga Pass road, the soaring eastern entry to the park that typically doesn’t become impassable until mid-November.

Several inches of snow were expected at elevations of at least 6,000 feet in the northern Sierra, said National Weather Service forecaster Hannah Chandler in Sacramento.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-snow-20170921-story.html
 
Same group of people that scream science about climate change are the same people that believe there are more than two genders. Defies logic.

A lot of them are also the same people that believe there can't be a conspiracy amongst pristine scientists and governments to report climate change, but also believe and even bigger conspiracy amongst scientists, doctors and governments to keep cancer curing drugs out of the hands of riff-raff.
 
Ignorant warmists believe EVERYTHING is cause by global warming....earthquakes.....volcanoes

DOOM!


Bali Volcano Forces Thousands to Evacuate


Almost 10,000 people have been evacuated from one of the world’s most popular vacation destinations, Bali, where a rumbling, smoking volcano is threatening to erupt for the first time in 50 years.

Mount Agung, on the city’s eastern shore, has experienced hundreds of tremors for days, and increasing seismic activity for weeks. A total of 676 tremors were recorded on Thursday, and another 178 in a six-hour period Friday morning. The National Disaster Mitigation Agency of Indonesia raised its alert status to 3 (the maximum is 4), and all public activities within 3.7 miles of the crater have been suspended by local authorities.

The National Disaster Mitigation Agency said there had been 160-foot-high smoke blasts from the crater.

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http://www.newsweek.com/bali-volcano-evacuations-mount-agung-669465
 
A lot of them are also the same people that believe there can't be a conspiracy amongst pristine scientists and governments to report climate change, but also believe and even bigger conspiracy amongst scientists, doctors and governments to keep cancer curing drugs out of the hands of riff-raff.

and believe that George Bush has a single digit IQ, but was capable of masterminding a super double secret plot to bring down the WTC.
 
and believe that George Bush has a single digit IQ, but was capable of masterminding a super double secret plot to bring down the WTC.

Don't forget his hurricane steering mechanism that steered Katrina straight towards "Chocolate City."
 
Don't forget his hurricane steering mechanism that steered Katrina straight towards "Chocolate City."

oh, that one is factual. ask elfie.
 
Global Cooling Alert!


California hit by snow storms

Snow fell in Sierra Nevada on the last day of summer, giving the towering mountain range shared by California and Nevada a wintry look in September and making travel hazardous.

la-me-california-snow-20170921


Sixteen vehicles crashed on Interstate 80 as snow and hail fell Thursday, killing a man driving a pickup truck and causing minor injuries to a few other people, said California Highway Patrol Officer Chris Nave.

Snow dusted peaks in Yosemite National Park and temporarily closed Tioga Pass road, the soaring eastern entry to the park that typically doesn’t become impassable until mid-November.

Several inches of snow were expected at elevations of at least 6,000 feet in the northern Sierra, said National Weather Service forecaster Hannah Chandler in Sacramento.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-snow-20170921-story.html

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Climate Models Run Too Hot: "Settled Science" Again

Climate computer model projections of future man-made warming due to human emissions of carbon dioxide are running too hot, says a fascinating new study in Nature Geoscience.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/21/climate-models-run-too-hot-settled-scie2


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The models are conservative.....Trump is president right? And even after he's removed Pence is president right?

From the paper that your author is using as the basis for his lies(and a paper he doesn't understand):

Hence, limiting warming to 1.5◦C is not yet a geophysical impossibility, but is likely to require delivery on strengthened pledges for 2030 followed by challengingly deep and rapid mitigation.

What are the chances that Trump/Pence are up to the challenge?

By the way your author is not a climate scientist, but a guy with a B.A. in philosophy..................................you couldn't make it up if your name was Tiny Tim.................

Oh and of course he works for CATO and CEI which is just another way of saying 'I work for Exxon.'
 
The models are conservative.....Trump is president right? And even after he's removed Pence is president right?

From the paper that your author is using as the basis for his lies(and a paper he doesn't understand):

Hence, limiting warming to 1.5◦C is not yet a geophysical impossibility, but is likely to require delivery on strengthened pledges for 2030 followed by challengingly deep and rapid mitigation.

What are the chances that Trump/Pence are up to the challenge?

By the way your author is not a climate scientist, but a guy with a B.A. in philosophy..................................you couldn't make it up if your name was Tiny Tim.................

Oh and of course he works for CATO and CEI which is just another way of saying 'I work for Exxon.'

Oh and the graph is from Christy who I discredited long ago in a debate here with Steeltime. Christy would deny AGW in public(because he receives funding from FF companies) ,but in court when called to testify in a lawsuit involving General Motors; admitted under oath that warming was happening and that it's caused by man.

Since then he tries to sell the idea that it's warming but, "not so much".......Lol
 
Oops! Climate Cultist Destroys Own Position

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has been doing the leftist media interview circuit recently, pressing his peculiar thesis that professional (i.e., paid) scientists are a superior class of humans whose conclusions are intrinsically beyond reproach and must therefore be accepted blindly by unscientific lunks like you.

In each of these interviews, a non-climate scientist asks a series of predetermined questions designed to elicit rehearsed responses from the non-climate scientist Tyson, the upshot of which is that (a) people who question man-made global warming are anti-scientific fools driven by irrational agendas; (b) scientific consensus is not the product of the social and political pressures of academic life working on the minds of the career-motivated, publication-obsessed majority of scholarly mediocrities, but rather consensus is the very definition of Objective Truth; and (c) anyone who questions a scientific consensus poses a threat to the survival of democracy.

For an example of (a), here is Tyson's explanation of why some people continue to question the alleged scientific consensus on global warming:

What's happening here is that there are people who have cultural, political, religious, economic philosophies that they then invoke when they want to cherry pick one scientific result or another.
In other words, non-scientists who have the audacity to cite scientific results falling outside the consensus as grounds for questioning global warming are just people with agendas who are refusing to accept the settled science, for anti-scientific reasons. This doesn't account for the actual scientists who produced those dissenting results or hypotheses. Are they also to be dismissed as mere "deniers," since their views do not match the consensus?

Tyson's answer appears to be yes, as he offers this interesting definition of "objective truth," answering to talking point (b), above:

For an emergent scientific truth to become an objective truth – a truth that is true whether or not you believe in it – it requires more than one scientific paper. It requires a whole system of people's research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences. That's what we have with climate change as induced by human conduct. This is a known correspondence. If you want to find the three percent of the papers or the one percent of the papers that conflicted with this, and build policy on that – that is simply irresponsible.

So according to Tyson, science is ultimately defined not by superior individual minds defying accepted views – i.e., standing against a consensus. No, science is rather defined by consensus itself, for consensus alone establishes objective truth, which "is true whether or not you believe in it." (Funny – I always thought Nature or God established objective truth, but apparently, in our nihilistic progressive age, that task has devolved to the collective of university professors.)

And what is a scholarly consensus? It is "a whole system of people's research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences." Tyson conveniently leaves out the most important factor: "all beginning from the same underlying premises."

Scholarly consensus is what you get when a few people at the top of an academic hierarchy become gatekeepers and use their authority as peer-reviewers, thesis supervisors, and hiring committee members to influence the range and limits of "legitimate" research. A new specialization that has detached itself from a broader system of inquiry, and therefore has relatively few prominent practitioners, as in the case of climate science, is most easily susceptible to this form of "consensus-building.

Let's look at Tyson's example of solar eclipses. If you questioned whether the recent solar eclipse would really happen, you would truly have exposed yourself as an uneducated pleb who doesn't respect scientific method. But why did you feel obliged to believe that the eclipse would happen? Was it because there was a scientific consensus?

No – it was because every eclipse predicted in your lifetime has actually occurred, exactly when and as the scientists predicted. None of us has ever met a person who could tell a story of "the eclipse that never happened" or "the eclipse that caught everyone by surprise." Having not a single counterexample to cast doubt on the scientists' predictions, ordinary men and women have developed a complete trust in the validity of those predictions.

If, by contrast, we had seen that the astronomers were often wrong in their predictions of eclipses, or that there were often eclipses that no astronomers had predicted, or even that eclipses frequently occurred precisely when the scientific consensus insisted that no eclipse could possibly happen, then most of us would be skeptical about predictions of solar eclipses. We would have every right to be. No astronomer in these circumstances could reasonably demand that we trust the scientific consensus, given how often their predictions had failed. And even if, by chance, this year's solar eclipse had turned out more or less the way they predicted, we might reasonably classify that as a coincidence rather than as evidence for their theories, remembering how often their previous predictions had been false.

Or imagine that astronomers had taken to predicting both that an eclipse would occur this year and that no eclipse would occur, such that neither outcome could disprove their underlying theory. Wouldn't we all – wouldn't even Tyson himself – regard such a theory with skepticism in light of its advocates' unwillingness to let it stand or fall on the accuracy of any decisive prediction? Wouldn't Tyson accuse those scientists of trying to create an unfalsifiable theory – i.e., one which no empirical outcome could ever prove wrong? Wouldn't he question whether such an unfalsifiable theory qualifies as legitimate science at all?

The proper analogy, to clarify what Tyson leaves obscure, is between men's attitudes toward two underlying theories: those that have been used to predict eclipses, and those that have been used to predict various climatic outcomes.

Dozens of predicted climate outcomes have already failed to occur as predicted. The desperate lunge Tyson and others are making at the recent U.S. hurricanes only draws attention to all the previous years when their predictions of greater and more frequent storms fell flat. In those years, the red-faced warmists defended their inaccuracy by mocking the deniers with "it doesn't work that way." Apparently, it now suddenly works that way.

This predictive failure explains why, whereas we anti-democratic skeptics (i.e., rational adults) happily defer to the expertise of astronomers whose predictions are always right, we refuse to bow before the climate "consensus," just as some Germans refused to bow before the scientific consensus ("objective truth") on Aryan superiority, and just as some in the nineteenth century rejected the scientific consensus ("objective truth") on the sub-humanity of the black race.

Though we may not all be paid scientists, we've all seen children trying to squirm their way out of a lie, so we can all understand Tyson's arguments well enough. As with children, moral and intellectual hypocrisy can feel necessary in a desperate situation, but it rarely fools anyone.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/09/oops_climate_cultist_destroys_own_position.html
 
The real harm in the climate debate is that we aren't addressing the right problem.

Adaptation will ALWAYS be the answer, not trying to keep things the same. Every business theory, all the science of evolution, tells us this. So when I hear the "answer" to climate change is to try to "slow change" or "stop change", my skepticism bell in my head starts to go off. That doesn't sound like the best answer to me even if everything they are telling me is true.

I would much rather start talking about how we are going to deal with change, how we are going to be prepared for change, how we can economically do it in a way we are all in somewhat agreement on.

Europe, I think, has convinced us (for very selfish reasons I might add), that the economic way to address this problem is to make fossil fuels more expensive. That's a convenient answer coming from a place that has NO FOSSIL FUEL and for the last 50 years has had to negotiate, pay off and buy their energy needs. Of course an economy (the EU) that is (for all practical purposes) the same size as the U.S. would LOVE to negotiate us into agreeing that fossil fuels are so bad that we would TAX something we have such a plethora of so as to make it economical better for Europe to compete while they transition away from fossil fuels into more expensive renewables.

Again, even if the science is TRUE, why is taxing and making energy more expensive the answer and not rather to invest that money to make us "weather-proof"? Why not relocate people? Why not rebuild when required? Why not re-invest in better infrastructure? Could it be that if that was the global answer, Europe would be at a great economic disadvantage? That their ability to compete on this playing field would put them strongly behind the U.S.?

And let us not forget that China and India are also energy poor economies. That also (for the most part) buy their energy and are held over the barrel (pun intended) in any negotiation about energy?

How great would it be to create a "moral crisis" that makes the U.S. actually self-impose energy cost increases while Europe, China and India "catch up" with energy production or revamp their expensive methods of energy production all the while remaining globally competitive in the world economy? How would you try to accomplish this, looking at it from their perspective?

I'm not climate change denier. I do believe the climate is changing. The climate is getting warmer and that man somewhat (not much) has and will contribute to it. What I AM questioning is the motivation (both locally and globally) about HOW to address this problem and that maybe being skeptical of the so-called "environment altruism" of Europe and China's position on this is a bit self-serving.

As Trump has said time and time again. America first. Is making fossil fuels more expensive really putting America first globally? Should we blindly agree to do so when we realize Europe and China (the two other financial powers) would greatly benefit from such a change way more than the us?
 
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New Environmental Data Send Climate Scientists into Tailspin

A series of new studies on everything from errors in calculating sea temperatures to the earth’s ability to adapt in assimilating carbon dioxide has sent climate scientists scrambling to readjust their predictions concerning climate change.

A group of scientists hailing from European research institutes are now suggesting that models used to estimate past ocean temperatures were based on an erroneous assumption, in a new study published in Nature.

Since we have no actual measurements of historic ocean temperatures, scientists must rely on proxies to estimate them, which currently involves examining ocean fossils whose development varies according to factors such as acidity, salinity and water temperature.

Meanwhile, Time Magazine ran a story claiming that “The Level of Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere Hasn’t Been This High in 800,000 Years,” based on a report released by the United Nation’s World Meteorological Organization (WMO).

The WMO admitted that the sharp rise in atmospheric CO2 had little to do with human emissions, but was rather due to droughts that curbed plants’ ability to absorb CO2, caused by the natural El Niño climate event.

Speaking of unforeseen natural adaptation, another report from the Finnish Meteorological Institute has found that boreal forests are now absorbing more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, due to melting seasonal snow cover.

Part of predicting changes in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere involves calculating the absorption of carbon dioxide both on land and in the oceans, a phenomenon that can change from year to year due to countless factors. In the case of high-latitude boreal forests, an important carbon sink on land, the amount of snow cover directly influences the amount of carbon they can absorb.

Northern forests aren’t the only carbon sinks showing resilience—or positive adaptation—to climate change.

Last fall, a group of scientists Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory similarly discovered that the world’s plants have somehow increased their capacity to assimilate carbon, resulting in an actual decline in the percentage of human-produced CO2 remaining in the atmosphere.

The researchers found to their surprise that despite the increased human emissions of greenhouse gases, between 2002 and 2014, plants were somehow able to absorb more carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere than in previous decades.

This means that certain other assumptions by climate change activists are simply wrong.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...l-data-send-climate-scientists-into-tailspin/
 
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