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Florida QB Kitna arrested for child porn

Djfan said:
I often ask my students how many of them wouldn't be there if there were not drunk or high at the time. Easily 90%, and often 100% of them admit that this is their story.

Guess why I am so anti drugs, pot included. You have to remember that it's a LOT of people who are damaged by their choices, not just them.
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Meh blaming drugs or alcohol is a crutch argument… they lower inhibitions to do things tgat are wrong but don’t give you tge desire to do them… while I occasionally drink i dont have any desire to do any drugs at all, but I know hundreds of people who routinely use pot or cocaine and have all of their adult lives with zero crimes committed well, outside of possession i guess, lol. Many are corporate professionals, but there are pastors, teachers, and tons of police in that group too..

The problem with the viewpoint that the fringe drugs lead to crime is that they are far more widespread than most people think they are… well over 50% of the population are at least occasional users.. based on estimates on consumption it’s probably way higher than that.. so if the majority of the population are using, it stands to reason that prisons would reflect that too…

I find the people who blame their bad choices on drugs and alcohol simply to be making excuses. I hang with some of the drunkest buffoons you can find.. yet not one has ever raped anyone, murdered anyone.. hit a woman, or ( surprisingly to me at least) cheated on their wives…
 
madinsomniac said:
Meh blaming drugs or alcohol is a crutch argument… they lower inhibitions to do things tgat are wrong but don’t give you tge desire to do them… while I occasionally drink i dont have any desire to do any drugs at all, but I know hundreds of people who routinely use pot or cocaine and have all of their adult lives with zero crimes committed well, outside of possession i guess, lol. Many are corporate professionals, but there are pastors, teachers, and tons of police in that group too..

The problem with the viewpoint that the fringe drugs lead to crime is that they are far more widespread than most people think they are… well over 50% of the population are at least occasional users.. based on estimates on consumption it’s probably way higher than that.. so if the majority of the population are using, it stands to reason that prisons would reflect that too…

I find the people who blame their bad choices on drugs and alcohol simply to be making excuses. I hang with some of the drunkest buffoons you can find.. yet not one has ever raped anyone, murdered anyone.. hit a woman, or ( surprisingly to me at least) cheated on their wives…
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I would never suggest that all drug users are felons. That still doesn't stop the fact that most felons have substance abuse issues. There is a correlation in corrections and law enforcement. It's just there statistically.

Further, it is really, really possible to live a great life without them. I advocate for that.
 
bermudasteel said:
What do you suggest he or we do??? The kid has a problem and we should hope the best for him even if incarceration is a part of the rehabilitation...
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Keep rooting for the pedophiles then. The kids were 10-12 years old and multiple pictures were self produced.
You people are ignorant if you think this kid will make it 6 months in jail. Even convicts have more morals than half of you self proclaimed pedo fanboys.
 
bigben said:
Keep rooting for the pedophiles then. The kids were 10-12 years old and multiple pictures were self produced.
You people are ignorant if you think this kid will make it 6 months in jail. Even convicts have more morals than half of you self proclaimed pedo fanboys.
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Just so I understand your position, you want everyone to root for his death. I’m not saying that isn’t a widely held position on pedos or if it’s one i agree with, I just don’t think you have been clear with what you are expecting… just attacking people who don’t seem to be rooting for his immediate destruction…

Also exactly zero people in this thread have proclaimed to be pedo fanboys or defended pedophilla at all… there were some who rationally were taking a wait and see approach on whether he is guilty or not and some that hoped his sick mind could get help… none of that is defensive of pedophillia…

I’ve seen people defend this stuff… it looks absolutely nothing like anything in this thread… its really demented…
 
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madinsomniac said:
Just so I understand your position, you want everyone to root for his death. I’m not saying that isn’t a widely held position on pedos or if it’s one i agree with, I just don’t think you have been clear with what you are expecting… just attacking people who don’t seem to be rooting for his immediate destruction…

Also exactly zero people in this thread have proclaimed to be pedo fanboys or defended pedophilla at all… there were some who rationally were taking a wait and see approach on whether he is guilty or not and some that hoped his sick mind could get help… none of that is defensive of pedophillia…

I’ve seen people defend this stuff… it looks absolutely nothing like anything in this thread… its really demented…
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He had photos of a 10-12 year old getting sexually abused by an adult. I don't see the gray area there? He's obviously guilty.
There is no "Getting help" He is a sick **** and there is no amount of help in the world that can change what someone is attracted to/gets off on. Thats like saying I'm straight but maybe the right person could convince me to be gay, or I'm gay but with enough counseling maybe I could be attracted to the opposite sex?
Instead of compassion for the children getting victimized, his immediate reaction was, I hope Kitna gets the help he needs.

That is rooting for a proven pedophile plain and simple
 
bigben said:
He had photos of a 10-12 year old getting sexually abused by an adult. I don't see the gray area there? He's obviously guilty.
There is no "Getting help" He is a sick **** and there is no amount of help in the world that can change what someone is attracted to/gets off on. Thats like saying I'm straight but maybe the right person could convince me to be gay, or I'm gay but with enough counseling maybe I could be attracted to the opposite sex?
Instead of compassion for the children getting victimized, his immediate reaction was, I hope Kitna gets the help he needs.

That is rooting for a proven pedophile plain and simple
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Ahh “Big Ben”. The tag and your approach just makes my laugh. Don’t know you, can’t say I’ve see many of your posts to know you, but that’s on me, I don’t come to this section but for game day lately.

Why did you pick that tag? How do you feel about it? Are you know for being a dumb **** that likes to pit SN folks as pedo loving people? Are your a sleeper Pats fan?

**** off
 
bigben said:
Keep rooting for the pedophiles then. The kids were 10-12 years old and multiple pictures were self produced.
You people are ignorant if you think this kid will make it 6 months in jail. Even convicts have more morals than half of you self proclaimed pedo fanboys.
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Hmmm...you seem quite offended. For that I'm sorry if this hits a nerve.

I can read and I understand the age of the children in question. To proclaim us ("you people") ignorant is very close minded of you - none of us are rooting for him. What you missed, I think, is what we call 'remorse'...

Bye for now...
 
bigben said:
He had photos of a 10-12 year old getting sexually abused by an adult. I don't see the gray area there? He's obviously guilty.
There is no "Getting help" He is a sick **** and there is no amount of help in the world that can change what someone is attracted to/gets off on. Thats like saying I'm straight but maybe the right person could convince me to be gay, or I'm gay but with enough counseling maybe I could be attracted to the opposite sex?
Instead of compassion for the children getting victimized, his immediate reaction was, I hope Kitna gets the help he needs.

That is rooting for a proven pedophile plain and simple
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You cannot be serious. This is the thinking of a high schooler.

Since you opened the door...

Bermuda does not believe the anyone is just 'born gay'. This is my opinion, it is a learned lifestyle. So, let's apply THAT logic to your comment above. A seed had to be planted in your mind about being attracted to another man - maybe when you were a child; maybe when you watched that porno???

With a little faith (in God) anything is possible and curable...
 
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cooked to perfection and WhoAla.......... you have breakfast. Home made garden tomato juice......... MmmMmmmm good.

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Salute the nation
 
Djfan said:
I would never suggest that all drug users are felons. That still doesn't stop the fact that most felons have substance abuse issues. There is a correlation in corrections and law enforcement. It's just there statistically.

Further, it is really, really possible to live a great life without them. I advocate for that.
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I’d argue that felons have a history of bad decision making, substance abuse being one of them. A lot of women have their drug addiction exploited by sex traffickers.
 
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madinsomniac said:
Meh blaming drugs or alcohol is a crutch argument… they lower inhibitions to do things tgat are wrong but don’t give you tge desire to do them… while I occasionally drink i dont have any desire to do any drugs at all, but I know hundreds of people who routinely use pot or cocaine and have all of their adult lives with zero crimes committed well, outside of possession i guess, lol. Many are corporate professionals, but there are pastors, teachers, and tons of police in that group too..

The problem with the viewpoint that the fringe drugs lead to crime is that they are far more widespread than most people think they are… well over 50% of the population are at least occasional users.. based on estimates on consumption it’s probably way higher than that.. so if the majority of the population are using, it stands to reason that prisons would reflect that too…

I find the people who blame their bad choices on drugs and alcohol simply to be making excuses. I hang with some of the drunkest buffoons you can find.. yet not one has ever raped anyone, murdered anyone.. hit a woman, or ( surprisingly to me at least) cheated on their wives…
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I agree.

People can lead good lives and use drugs.
 
bermudasteel said:
You cannot be serious. This is the thinking of a high schooler.

Since you opened the door...

Bermuda does not believe the anyone is just 'born gay'. This is my opinion, it is a learned lifestyle. So, let's apply THAT logic to your comment above. A seed had to be planted in your mind about being attracted to another man - maybe when you were a child; maybe when you watched that porno???

With a little faith (in God) anything is possible and curable...
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I believe people are born gay. A guy in my bowling league who has a very redneck family had a son who was gay. We grew up in a small rural town where it was frowned upon to be gay. I do not think the kid learned or tried to be gay. It took the dad a little while to come around. I do not really think you can control who you are attracted to.
If someone is attracted to pre-pub kids i am not sure if any amount of therapy or "reconditioning" will help. I think that their urges may be able to be controlled, but I don't think they will go on to live a typical normal life. I would sure not feel comfortable leaving a young kid around someone who was "rehabbed" for pedophilia.
 
jitter77 said:
I believe people are born gay. A guy in my bowling league who has a very redneck family had a son who was gay. We grew up in a small rural town where it was frowned upon to be gay. I do not think the kid learned or tried to be gay. It took the dad a little while to come around. I do not really think you can control who you are attracted to.
If someone is attracted to pre-pub kids i am not sure if any amount of therapy or "reconditioning" will help. I think that their urges may be able to be controlled, but I don't think they will go on to live a typical normal life. I would sure not feel comfortable leaving a young kid around someone who was "rehabbed" for pedophilia.
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I respect that.

Consider this...

None of us "know" what took place behind closed doors in that fella's house. I'm not saying this is the case in every scenario, but homosexuality was deeply frowned upon in the Caribbean when I was a kid.

That unnamed church leader, the unnamed family member/coach/teacher, etc... all play a part in this the conditioning of this lifestyle.

All in saying is I find it scientifically difficult to prove that one has a "gay" gene...
 
jitter77 said:
I believe people are born gay. A guy in my bowling league who has a very redneck family had a son who was gay. We grew up in a small rural town where it was frowned upon to be gay. I do not think the kid learned or tried to be gay. It took the dad a little while to come around. I do not really think you can control who you are attracted to.
If someone is attracted to pre-pub kids i am not sure if any amount of therapy or "reconditioning" will help. I think that their urges may be able to be controlled, but I don't think they will go on to live a typical normal life. I would sure not feel comfortable leaving a young kid around someone who was "rehabbed" for pedophilia.
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I guess they shouldn't feel attraction if they recognize those kids are not just an object to be used. The innocence and vulnerability should be the main reason for them not to feel attracted to kids at all. There's no consensual anything when a kid is involved so there shouldn't be any urges to begin with. Completely different to gays with peers of their same age, I don't think there's anything wrong with that even if I'm not pro all the lgbtq etc euphoria being thrown around in this day and age.
 
I have friends who used to be gay. They wanted to not be. One told me that he had to change his thinking through replacing the gay thoughts. This one is married to a girl. Doing fine. He is still slightly feminine, but all in on his wife.

Actions, including thoughts, are choices.
 
bermudasteel said:
You cannot be serious. This is the thinking of a high schooler.

Since you opened the door...

Bermuda does not believe the anyone is just 'born gay'. This is my opinion, it is a learned lifestyle. So, let's apply THAT logic to your comment above. A seed had to be planted in your mind about being attracted to another man - maybe when you were a child; maybe when you watched that porno???

With a little faith (in God) anything is possible and curable...
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So when you see a hot woman on the street or on the internet or in a porno you are attracted to her because you chose to be? And you chose to be attracted to women because of something you learned in church?
Ok, got it
You are dumber than I thought.
 
bigben said:
So when you see a hot woman on the street or on the internet or in a porno you are attracted to her because you chose to be? And you chose to be attracted to women because of something you learned in church?
Ok, got it
You are dumber than I thought.
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I'm attracted to women because I like *****. There's not a man on the planet that can do what a woman can.

Now go stand back in your corner, dunce...
 
bermudasteel said:
I'm attracted to women because I like *****. There's not a man on the planet that can do what a woman can.

Now go stand back in your corner, dunce...
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You like ***** because its you're choice. I get it
 
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