Greenhouse effect theory is pulverized in new study

[Confluence]

Confluence, oh Confluence where art thou? Completely unprovoked attacks on members of the board. I haven't even posted in this thread, for ****'s sake. Oh, the civility!

This is easy.
Indy is both funny and probably accurate.

Thank you for thinking of me in your time of need.

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[Tibs]

This is easy. Indy is both funny and probably accurate. Thank you for thinking of me in your time of need.

That's what I thought. A weekend warrior when it comes to morals.

 

[IndySteel]

That's what I thought. A weekend warrior when it comes to morals.

If you had any morals at all you wouldn't be a libtard socie.

 

[Stryker]

Science can't be liberal or conservative. It's based in fact, and both sides have already shown they are incapable of that...

 

[Confluence]

That's what I thought. A weekend warrior when it comes to morals.

Chick much?

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[Tibs]

Chick much?

That's funny. You have two sets of standards, that's clear as day. One set for yourself and your merry band of alt right goons, and another set for me.

As this thread demonstrates, your civility towards others has diminished greatly.

Remember this from the '**** you' thread? Again, I ask, my civility towards others? Really? What a joke.

But your words, tone and nature on SN.com shows a devolution of you. Not good, sir.

Again, ******* hilarious, coming from you. The double standard and the 'holier than thou' attitude on this board is a gigantic elephant in the room.

 

[Elfiero]

That's funny. You have two sets of standards, that's clear as day. One set for yourself and your merry band of alt right goons, and another set for me.

Remember this from the '**** you' thread? Again, I ask, my civility towards others? Really? What a joke.

Again, ******* hilarious, coming from you. The double standard and the 'holier than thou' attitude on this board is a gigantic elephant in the room.

Remember Tibs CONservatives delude themselves into believing they hold the moral high ground, believing the are "true patriots" when in reality they are textbook fascists.

Claiming to be proponents of civilty while voting in the most obnoxious, undignified, corrupt human being to ever be president.....need I add more?

Besides Canadian bacon isn't even an American so I dont understand his interest in our politics.

 

[Elfiero]

Ecosystems change.... farms move.

The technology of farming, the genetics of seed production, pest control isn't going away. Jesus... liberals make it sound like food can only be produced in one god damn place on earth.

Adaptation is the key to all of this. Natural disasters are going to happen. Who are the liberals going to blame when the San Andreas fault really lets loose? Or Mt. Renier blows? Those (and others) are going to be much more catastrophic events with much greater loss of life and economic production than "Global Warming", which can be easily adapted too if we so choose (and devote time/energy to think it through).

Nothing is going to "stop" climate change. The idea we can agree as a global economy to make energy more expensive and have the richest countries subsidize that extra cost to poorer countries (which likely will NEVER use the money efficiently or legally), is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. And its effects will be marginal at best.

The richer the country, the more environmentally friendly they become. Richer countries also produce less people (which is the underlying reason for pollution in the first place). So the goal should be to make rich countries. You can't do that by stifling energy consumption or restricting energy production. That's silliness.

That's it then the rocky plains of Canada will produce just as much food as America's bread basket does today......with ROCKS and little rain.......

 

[Stryker]

GLOBAL COOLING ALERT!




Arctic Global Warming Study Canceled Because There’s Too Much Ice

In May, an expedition that set out to gather global warming evidence in the Arctic was forced to call it off. Why? Because the ice was too thick and the icebreaker was needed to rescue other ships.The research vessel Amundsen was redirected by the Canadian Coast Guard to clear fishing lanes for boats and supply vessels. That includes the dreaded ‘oil tankers’.

“The Science Team of the Canadian Research Icebreaker CCGS Amundsen has canceled the first leg of the 2017 Expedition due to complications associated with the southward motion of hazardous Arctic sea ice,” the news site Science Daily reported.

“It became clear to me very quickly that these weren’t just heavy ice conditions, these were unprecedented ice conditions,” Dr. David Barber, the lead scientist on the study. “We were finding thick multi-year sea ice floes which on level ice were five meters thick … it was much, much thicker and much, much heavier than anything you would expect at that latitude and at that time of year.”

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170613150651.htm

This is called seasonal ice growth, and is a reason why USCG ice breakers have to help create shipping channels when the poles face away from the sun for 3mos. May is also the height of the freezing period, as the north pole starts to turn back toward the sun. This happens yearly and their ships bounce from north to south pole to open shipping lanes. Here's a shot of my boy Jeff working an ice breaker in 2007 in Antarctica. He's worked both poles and has the medals for each.



Want to know why this explanation doesn't 'hold water'? Because sea level rise is measurable. The only way you can get this type of measurable sea level rise, is the gross increase of seasonal melting polar ice over seasonal freezing, which is what we now have.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Remember Tibs CONservatives delude themselves into believing they hold the moral high ground, believing the are "true patriots" when in reality they are textbook fascists.

Claiming to be proponents of civilty while voting in the most obnoxious, undignified, corrupt human being to ever be president.....need I add more?

Besides Canadian bacon isn't even an American so I dont understand his interest in our politics.

You obviously do not know what the textbook definition of fascism is, and you are unable to identify an undignified and corrupt human being when you see one if you think Trump tops that list.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

This is called seasonal ice growth, and is a reason why USCG ice breakers have to help create shipping channels when the poles face away from the sun for 3mos. May is also the height of the freezing period, as the north pole starts to turn back toward the sun. This happens yearly and their ships bounce from north to south pole to open shipping lanes. Here's a shot of my boy Jeff working an ice breaker in 2007 in Antarctica. He's worked both poles and has the medals for each.

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Want to know why this explanation doesn't 'hold water'? Because sea level rise is measurable. The only way you can get this type of measurable sea level rise, is the gross increase of seasonal melting polar ice over seasonal freezing, which is what we now have.

And you know that man made global warming caused this increase because it just feels right?

 

[MTC]

And California under water. Although i'd be okay with that.

Oooofff!

Cold. Lol

 

[MTC]

97 percent of scientists say it will get dark later tonight.

Confirmed

 

[Spike]

Suckers


Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

12 December 2007 - Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

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Kerry claims the Arctic will be ice-free by summer 2013

September 2nd, 2009

"Scientists project that the Arctic will be ice-free in the summer of 2013. Not in 2050, but four years from now."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ry/kerry-claims-arctic-will-be-ice-free-2013/




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Climate Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 - they were wrong

Scientists such as Prof Peter Wadhams, of Cambridge University, and Prof Wieslaw Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, have regularly forecast the loss of ice by 2016

As late as this summer, he was still predicting an ice-free September.

Yet, when figures were released for the yearly minimum on September 10, they showed that there was still 1.6 million square miles of sea ice (4.14 square kilometres), which was 21 per cent more than the lowest point in 2012.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...sea-ice-would-melt-entirely-by-september-201/

 

[Elfiero]

You obviously do not know what the textbook definition of fascism is, and you are unable to identify an undignified and corrupt human being when you see one if you think Trump tops that list.

Of course I do Charles.

Textbook Fascism:

1. Dictating to a woman what she can do with her own body.

2. Proposing the internment of Arab-Americans similar to the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2

3. Justification of torture because when we do it.........we're protecting the greatest state on the planet.....so it's ok. Same reasons Hitler gave, Stalin gave, and on and on.

Those are just three right off the top of my head. Below is a mirror that can be held up to just about every CONservative on this board and I guarantee you they will see themselves, but never admit it.

 

[Elfiero]

No....it works because it uses fact and scientific rationale. Not made up numbers and temperatures so the rest of the world can punish America for becoming the greatest beacon for prosperity and freedom the world has ever seen in only 240 years.

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So you are also a conspiracy nut?

Good for you champ!

Here is a list of all the organizations on the planet that are involved in your conspiracy. ALL these countries want to "punish" America? Even some of our biggest trading partners? How does this conspiracy work? I've repeatedly asked a bunch of the tin foil hat experts here, yet not one of them ever provides an answer.

You seem new here so enlighten us, oh and here's your sign.....errrr....your list:

https://www.opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php

List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

 

[Tibs]

As well as these companies that signed the American Business Act on Climate Pledge. They obviously all hate America and want to destroy it:

21ST CENTURY FOX
365 RETAIL MARKETS
ABENGOA BIOENERGY US
ACER AMERICA
ADOBE
AEMETIS
AGILE SOURCING PARTNERS
AIRBNB
AKAMAI
ALCOA
ALL STAR SERVICES
AMAZON
AMD
AMERICAN EXPRESS
AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR COMPANY
APPLE
AT&T
AUTODESK
AVERY DENNISON
BANK OF AMERICA
BEN & JERRY'S
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY ENERGY
BEST BUY
BHPBILLITON
BIO-AMBER
BIOGEN
BLOOMBERG
BMW NA
BNY MELLON
BURNS & MCDONNELL
CA TECHNOLOGIES
CALPINE
CAMPOS BROTHERS FARMS
CANTALOUPE SYSTEMS
CANTEEN & COMPASS GROUP
CARGILL
CH2M
CISCO SYSTEMS, INC.
COCA-COLA
COX
CRAIG COMMUNICATIONS
DANFOSS
DELL
DISNEY
DSM NORTH AMERICA
DUPONT
EDP RENEWABLES NORTH AMERICA
EMC CORPORATION
ENEL GREEN POWER NORTH AMERICA
ENER-G RUDOX
ENERGY OPTIMIZERS
EQUINIX
FACEBOOK
FRHAM
FULCRUM BIOENERGY
GAMESA
GE
GENENTECH
GENERAL MILLS
GENERAL MOTORS
GOLDMAN SACHS
GOOGLE
GOURMET COFFEE SERVICE
GREENWOOD ENERGY
HERSHEY'S
HP
IBERDROLA USA
IBM
IHG
IKEA USA
INGERSOLL RAND
INTEL
INTERFACE
INTERNATIONAL FLAVORS & FRAGRANCES
INTEX SOLUTIONS
INTREN
INVENERGY
JETBLUE
JM HUBER CORPORATION
JOHNSON & JOHNSON
JOHNSON CONTROLS
KAISER PERMANENTE
KELLOGGS
KELLY SERVICES
KEYSTONE ELECTRICAL MANUFACTURING
KIMBALL ELECTRONICS
KINGSPAN INSULATED PANELS INC
KOHL'S DEPARTMENT STORES
KPMG
LAKESHORE LEARNING
LAM RESEARCH
LEGRAND NA
LENOVO
LEVI STRAUSS & CO.
LINKEDIN
L'OREAL USA
MARS
MCDONALDS
MESA ASSOCIATES
MGM RESORTS
MICROSOFT
MONDELEZ INTERNATIONAL
MONSANTO
NATIONAL GRID
NATIONAL LABEL
NESTLE USA
NEWS CORP
NIKE
NOVARTIS
NOVOZYMES
NRG
ONE3LED
ORMAT TECHNOLOGIES
PACIFIC ETHANOL
PATHEON
PEPSI
PG&E
POET
PORTLAND GENERAL ELECTRIC
PROCTOR & GAMBLE
PROLOGIS
PWC US
QUALCOMM
RICOH USA
RIO TINTO
RM2
ROYAL VENDING
SALESFORCE.COM
SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC
SIEMENS USA
SKYONIC
SONY USA
STAPLES
STARBUCKS
SWITCH COMMUNICATIONS
SYMANTEC
SYNGENTA/QCCP
TARGET
TESLA MOTORS
THE WITTERN GROUP
TRI-ALPHA ENERGY
TRIGLOBAL ENERGY
UNDERGROUND CONSTRUCTION
UNILEVER
UNITED TECHNOLOGIES
UPS
VALLEY ELECTRIC ASSOCIATION
VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS
VF CORPORATION
VOLVO GROUP NORTH AMERICA
WAL-MART
XEROX
XYLEM

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'm not going to bother quoting all that, but if all those folks are right then why isn't it getting warmer and the polar ice caps are getting bigger?

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Like I said, libs love opinion polls. They confuse them with science.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

It's an interesting appeal to authority argument the libs make for man-made global warming. The "authorities" have no validating science behind their positions, and still the libs lean on them as their primary validation.

 

[Spike]

FAKE SCIENCE!


Study Finds Temperature 'Adjustments' Account For ‘Nearly All Of The Warming’ In Climate Data

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

“Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.

The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.

Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.

Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/e...or-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/

 

[ark steel]

Seems like all those companies could reduce their carbon footprint with a government requirement.

 

[Spike]

and now, a brief intermission

 

[IndySteel]

and now, a brief intermission

I want to smack them in the face with a pipe.

 

[SteelChip]

Dismay continued to mount around the globe Friday, a day after President Trump announced his decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement.

When we are dealing with this kind of mentality...

I find it impossible to take them seriously