Guarantees key to getting Dupree deal

[Steeltime]

Yes, I get it, it's a highlight reel, yes, really, I get that.

But watch the number of times Dupree simply overpowers the OT, and the several times he blows up a double team. You may be surprised.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

yeah, the guarantees usually go along way in signing a player long term.

Tag him, no giving him long term deal after one good season, not with the other guys that need contracts that have shown up and produced in non-contract seasons.

Exactly. I'm old, I remember how that worked out with Lamarr Woodley and Jason Worilds.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I really think people are missing the effort he put in every year and how he improved every year. He might not have had the sacks but it wasn't a lack of effort. I think too many of you are discounting the potential that Porter was just a poor technical coach for a young inexperienced player with pure raw potential and no real coaching to that point.

 

[Steeltime]

I really think people are missing the effort he put in every year and how he improved every year. He might not have had the sacks but it wasn't a lack of effort. I think too many of you are discounting the potential that Porter was just a poor technical coach for a young inexperienced player with pure raw potential and no real coaching to that point.

Very solid points, SIL.

 

[Confluence]

Difference is, it didn't take Woodley 5 years and a contract year to show up. Woodley had like 40 career sacks, 13 PD's, 7FF, 7FR, 3INTs, 67 QB hits after 4 seasons already when they signed him.

Dupree in 5 seasons has 31 sacks, 9 PD's, 6FF, 3FR, 1INT, 50 QB hits.

Yet everyone wants to give big money to Dupree.

For comparison, Watt in 3 seasons has 34.5 sacks, 18PD's, 15FF, 4FR, 3INT's, 70 QB hits.

Remember the " Guns don't kill people ......Lamar Woodley Does*" tshirts?

At the bottom, in really small print, it said
* when Deebo is on opposite side rushing qb

Same with Watt and Dupree.
As more attention goes to Watt, less goes to other side.

TJ has breakout year, Bud makes bank, like 56.

Maybe Steeltime et al are correct. Hope so, because I think they are gonna toss money at Dupree

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[Ron Burgundy]

Maybe Steeltime et al are correct. Hope so, because I think they are gonna toss money at Dupree

I'd tag him but nothing more, and see if he can do it two years in a row. At minimum we get another year out of him and then make a decision. Wouldn't be the first player we lost due to salary cap implications.

 

[F83]

Woodley got lazy and issues on being on weed that got to a oversized OLB regardless when he was caught we should of restructured and kept him for 1 yr that could of prevented JJ pick. and maybe if we took the BPA where we took jones or traded out of rnd 1 to early rnd 2 we could of gotton the best OLB from that draft jamie collins

 

[Hines57]

I really think people are missing the effort he put in every year and how he improved every year. He might not have had the sacks but it wasn't a lack of effort. I think too many of you are discounting the potential that Porter was just a poor technical coach for a young inexperienced player with pure raw potential and no real coaching to that point.

He also spent quite a bit of time playing in coverage for a few seasons. This is the first year they really let him rush the QB in tandem with Watt

 

[Vader]

He also spent quite a bit of time playing in coverage for a few seasons. This is the first year they really let him rush the QB in tandem with Watt

From PFF so it take for what you will. The metrics should be correct so that means his pressure rate is not that good:

OVERVALUED
Edge Bud Dupree, Pittsburgh Steelers
Through the first four seasons of his career, Dupree had all the makings of a first-round bust. He didn’t crack a 65.0 pass-rush grade in any of those seasons, nor did he have a pressure rate north of 12%. That has all seemed to change in 2019, but it’s largely been the splash plays that have brought about that change. Dupree’s 13 sacks are more than double any prior season of his career, and his four forced fumbles are two more than he had from 2015 to 2018 combined.

Year Pressure Rate Sacks
2015 7.6% (88 / 100) 4
2016 8.6% (N/A – not enough snaps) 4
2017 11.8% (46 / 100) 6
2018 10.4% (56 / 100) 6
2019 10.1% (68 / 100) 13

What should concern the Steelers when looking at the potential of re-signing Dupree, along with other potential suitors, is that his pressure rate for 2019 sits at only 10.1%. That ranks 70th among edge rushers, tied with Cassius Marsh and John Simon. Dupree’s sack total with a pressure rate that low and a four-year track record of subpar production as a pass-rusher should bring reason for pause for NFL teams this offseason.

 

[21STEELERS21]

Bud's sacks may have gone up just because our secondary coverage got better.

If we had put the non-exclusive tag on Bell he would still be a Steeler. He would have realized Steelers were offering decent money and his market wasn't as high as expected.
I think the same would apply to Bud.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Bud's sacks may have gone up just because our secondary coverage got better.

If we had put the non-exclusive tag on Bell he would still be a Steeler. He would have realized Steelers were offering decent money and his market wasn't as high as expected.
I think the same would apply to Bud.

Agree. If they tag him make it a non-exclusive tag. Hopefully they've learned from the Bell fiasco.

 

[Coryea]

From PFF so it take for what you will. The metrics should be correct so that means his pressure rate is not that good:

OVERVALUED
Edge Bud Dupree, Pittsburgh Steelers
Through the first four seasons of his career, Dupree had all the makings of a first-round bust. He didn’t crack a 65.0 pass-rush grade in any of those seasons, nor did he have a pressure rate north of 12%. That has all seemed to change in 2019, but it’s largely been the splash plays that have brought about that change. Dupree’s 13 sacks are more than double any prior season of his career, and his four forced fumbles are two more than he had from 2015 to 2018 combined.

YearPressure RateSacks
20157.6% (88 / 100)4
20168.6% (N/A – not enough snaps)4
201711.8% (46 / 100)6
201810.4% (56 / 100)6
201910.1% (68 / 100)13

What should concern the Steelers when looking at the potential of re-signing Dupree, along with other potential suitors, is that his pressure rate for 2019 sits at only 10.1%. That ranks 70th among edge rushers, tied with Cassius Marsh and John Simon. Dupree’s sack total with a pressure rate that low and a four-year track record of subpar production as a pass-rusher should bring reason for pause for NFL teams this offseason.

How dare you not kneel down to Stud Dupree.
His QB hits ranks fairly low as well.

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[Turd Ferguson]

How dare you not kneel down to Stud Dupree.
His QB hits ranks fairly low as well.

Yep.....I really, really hope the Steelers don't break the bank on this guy.

 

[Litos]

48M 4 years 20M guaranteed, make it happen Bud, you will be rich, have the best OLB partner in the league with a monster Dback group and will be in 5he final Ben run for a SB

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[TDX27]

48M 4 years 20M guaranteed, make it happen Bud, you will be rich, have the best OLB partner in the league with a monster Dback group and will be in 5he final Ben run for a SB

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I could probably live with that for Bud but the Steelers will only offer him a $12 million signing bonus. I can't see them changing their 1 year as a bonus MO for Bud.

 

[Hines57]

From PFF so it take for what you will. The metrics should be correct so that means his pressure rate is not that good:

OVERVALUED
Edge Bud Dupree, Pittsburgh Steelers
Through the first four seasons of his career, Dupree had all the makings of a first-round bust. He didn’t crack a 65.0 pass-rush grade in any of those seasons, nor did he have a pressure rate north of 12%. That has all seemed to change in 2019, but it’s largely been the splash plays that have brought about that change. Dupree’s 13 sacks are more than double any prior season of his career, and his four forced fumbles are two more than he had from 2015 to 2018 combined.

Year Pressure Rate Sacks
2015 7.6% (88 / 100) 4
2016 8.6% (N/A – not enough snaps) 4
2017 11.8% (46 / 100) 6
2018 10.4% (56 / 100) 6
2019 10.1% (68 / 100) 13

What should concern the Steelers when looking at the potential of re-signing Dupree, along with other potential suitors, is that his pressure rate for 2019 sits at only 10.1%. That ranks 70th among edge rushers, tied with Cassius Marsh and John Simon. Dupree’s sack total with a pressure rate that low and a four-year track record of subpar production as a pass-rusher should bring reason for pause for NFL teams this offseason.

PFF, hard pass. I'm a buyer. Pay STUD Dupree. This isn't Lamarr V 2.0.

 

[Coryea]

PFF, hard pass. I'm a buyer. Pay STUD Dupree. This isn't Lamarr V 2.0.

Woodley was much better.

And it's not just PFF, look at Bud's QB hits(pressure) he's not ranked very high there either. He played much better this year, but a handful of sacks came from someone flushing the QB out of the pocket and right to him, like people used to complain about Gildon.

 

[F83]

Woodley vs more consistent his bull rush at times was unstoppable his play dropped when he got his big pay day he went up to 275 and was not the same still before cutting him we should of restructured his deal until he had a proven commodity to replace him as by 2012 he was playing sam and wam, could of delayed drafting uncle jarvis.

 

[Hines57]

Bud is getting paid here, The haters, the doubters, the I doin't want to pay this guy more than X are all in denial about how Bud's game has progressed. This is a guy I openly mocked and derided for missing contain consistently. He's upped his game and earned his pay day here. Tag him and work out a deal.

 

[Coryea]

Gildong 2.0

 

[F83]

hes better than Gildon vs faster burst better in coverage much more upside remember Gildon vs a hard hitter but he had so many coverage sacks where bud just blows of the line and this year he fixed his angle issues to decrease over pursuing.

 

[Coryea]

hes better than Gildon vs faster burst better in coverage much more upside remember Gildon vs a hard hitter but he had so many coverage sacks where bud just blows of the line and this year he fixed his angle issues to decrease over pursuing.

Coverage sacks? Our secondary was crap for the most part when Gildon played.
Dupree had 17 QB hits, that's not good for a supposedly elite pass rusher, ranking him 30th. Last year he had 13, year before was 7, then 6. He got a handful of sacks by someone else flushing the QB towards him. He beat his share of guys too, so it he did alot better, but not to the point of making him one of the highest paid OLB's in the NFL.
I don't think Gildon was great, but he had the same number of sacks as Bud did this year while playing across from Carlos Emmons.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

yeah only took him 3 years to figure out that whole arc thing.

 

[Vader]

yeah only took him 3 years to figure out that whole arc thing.

3? This was his 5th year.