Haeg situation seems odd.

[slashsteel]

So the guy is left side capable, the new addition Davis is more comfy on the right and might be better suited at G. Raiders and another team is looking at Haeg. Steelers biggest concern is on the left. I just don't totally get why they didn't keep Haeg and add Davis.

I think the team is a left tackle short,

Agree or disagree?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

The stupidity, whether it be Colbert, Khan, Tomlin, or all three is that no one was brought in that could really push Moore for that LT spot.
The idiocy was watching him throughout OTAs and training camp and thinking "yeah, he's gonna be fine because he has to."
Then remember that last year started with Dotson in the doghouse because they felt he didn't take working on his craft seriously enough during the offseason.
Soooo, Moore gets a pass in this regard? And apparently so does Green. Tomlin's mollycoddling of those two is beyond reprehensible.

 

[Drink IRON City]

So the guy is left side capable, the new addition Davis is more comfy on the right and might be better suited at G. Raiders and another team is looking at Haeg. Steelers biggest concern is on the left. I just don't totally get why they didn't keep Haeg and add Davis.

I think the team is a left tackle short,

Agree or disagree?

Fully agree and why the hell aren't we looking elsewhere as well. Maybe we are looking but, isn't Joe Thomas worth a looksie ?
There is still time but I'm worried that Coach Tomlin might think we are good to go.

Moore just doesn't seem to be panning out and currently (pending on LG) is the weakest link. I'm always for upgrading at any position. We need to acquire talent good enough to allow the same OL for more than a few games, they need to play together for 2+ years and that would be a sign of being a good unit.


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[Drink IRON City]

PS

I'm not sold on this "punch aggressive" tactic our OL coach is taunting out there. Some here have said he OLC sucked at his other team's line coaching job and so far he seems to be sucking here as well. If this tactic is so dang hard to learn than it is a **** tactic, or we have "challenged" players.


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[6Lombardis]

Fully agree and why the hell aren't we looking elsewhere as well. Maybe we are looking but, isn't Joe Thomas worth a looksie ?
There is still time but I'm worried that Coach Tomlin might think we are good to go.

Moore just doesn't seem to be panning out and currently (pending on LG) is the weakest link. I'm always for upgrading at any position. We need to acquire talent good enough to allow the same OL for more than a few games, they need to play together for 2+ years and that would be a sign of being a good unit.


Salute the nation

Isn't Joe Thomas analyst on TV now?

 

[steelerscotty]

Isn't Joe Thomas analyst on TV now?

I think he probably means Eric Berry?

 

[diver]

PS

I'm not sold on this "punch aggressive" tactic our OL coach is taunting out there. Some here have said he OLC sucked at his other team's line coaching job and so far he seems to be sucking here as well. If this tactic is so dang hard to learn than it is a **** tactic, or we have "challenged" players.


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I think I see what they are trying to do with the "punch aggressive." They have to run the ball better, which takes aggression. The Steelers line over the last many years has been a much more passive bunch. They have really lost that "smash mouth" mentality. Can you have a line just turn on and off aggressivness? Be aggressive in the run game but passive in the pass game? IDK, just kinda trying to understand what they are doing.

I think the line will look a lot better if the play-calling gets better. Man, I'm going back, but one of the things I loved about when Ron Erhardt was here was you could see in his calls he was building something throughout the game. It just feels like now they put a bunch of plays in a hat and pull 'em out. I almost get the feel sometimes they are tipping something or just so predictable with tendencies with how easily runs are blown up at times. I know the line isn't that great, but can they be this bad?

 

[madinsomniac]

A lot of smoke that we are interested in Andre Dillard from the eagles, though it may cost us a fourth or even a third… if he is a long term solution at LT then do it. Move moore to guard and see if someone wants to take a flyer on green

 

[Fiji Mariner]

PS

I'm not sold on this "punch aggressive" tactic our OL coach is taunting out there. Some here have said he OLC sucked at his other team's line coaching job and so far he seems to be sucking here as well. If this tactic is so dang hard to learn than it is a **** tactic, or we have "challenged" players.


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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Munch still sitting out there eating popcorn?

If it’s not a money thing I’m starting to think maybe Tomlin’s ego keeps him from decent coaches underneath him cuz Canada, Meyer, Bubbles all SUCK out loud.

Jury still out on Austin and Flores definitely has a good history but I consider his situation unique with the dark cloud of suing the NFL he had lurking above him when he fell into our laps (glad to have him here at least)

 

[KStilley]

Left tackle, LG, RG, RT, maybe Center short. I have never seen a starting offensive line in such disarray and shortcomings, at least with the Steelers. The only thing I can think of is as DIC alluded to, the techniques and schemes the new OLC is teaching hasn't caught on yet but the coaching staff believes the linemen are starting to grasp it and things will vastly improve. I don't believe that at least not with Moore, his job is not easy but it's pretty straight forward, he knows who and what he needs to stop, whether it's a bull rush, ghost or swim move etc. and he can't do it consistently. Haeg certainly couldn't of put on a more disappointing display if allowed to compete this season. Okofor seems basically the same at the opposite tackle so I'm guessing the new scheme and what your assignment is at least for the offensive tackles during passing downs isn't that complicated,

They have to realize what they have in Green, Chucks is an average NFL pass blocker and not much else. Dotson is inconsistent and injured. I'm willing to wait and see on McDaniels and Cole, learning a new scheme for the interior offensive linemen is a little more complicated IMO and may have left McDaniels undecided on who to pick up and with the speed of NFL lineman, it's a recipe for wiffing or being unbalanced. I just have a hard time believing he always played this way and nobody noticed lol.

 

[alancac98]

Left tackle, LG, RG, RT, maybe Center short. I have never seen a starting offensive line in such disarray and shortcomings, at least with the Steelers. The only thing I can think of is as DIC alluded to, the techniques and schemes the new OLC is teaching hasn't caught on yet but the coaching staff believes the linemen are starting to grasp it and things will vastly improve. I don't believe that at least not with Moore, his job is not easy but it's pretty straight forward, he knows who and what he needs to stop, whether it's a bull rush, ghost or swim move etc. and he can't do it consistently. Haeg certainly couldn't of put on a more disappointing display if allowed to compete this season. Okofor seems basically the same at the opposite tackle so I'm guessing the new scheme and what your assignment is at least for the offensive tackles during passing downs isn't that complicated,

They have to realize what they have in Green, Chucks is an average NFL pass blocker and not much else. Dotson is inconsistent and injured. I'm willing to wait and see on McDaniels and Cole, learning a new scheme for the interior offensive linemen is a little more complicated IMO and may have left McDaniels undecided on who to pick up and with the speed of NFL lineman, it's a recipe for wiffing or being unbalanced. I just have a hard time believing he always played this way and nobody noticed lol.

They have both McDaniels and Dotson on the wrong side(s). Dotson played RG in college, Daniels was a LG, so why the hell do they have them in the opposite positions? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

 

[KStilley]

They have both McDaniels and Dotson on the wrong side(s). Dotson played RG in college, Daniels was a LG, so why the hell do they have them in the opposite positions? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

Yep, that too.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

They have both McDaniels and Dotson on the wrong side(s). Dotson played RG in college, Daniels was a LG, so why the hell do they have them in the opposite positions? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

Not like if we flip them the OL can really regress so they should definitely give it a shot. At this point all cards should be on the table, no stone left unturned, and every other cliche in the book that applies.

 

[livingthrudying]

I think I see what they are trying to do with the "punch aggressive." They have to run the ball better, which takes aggression. The Steelers line over the last many years has been a much more passive bunch. They have really lost that "smash mouth" mentality. Can you have a line just turn on and off aggressivness? Be aggressive in the run game but passive in the pass game? IDK, just kinda trying to understand what they are doing.

I think the line will look a lot better if the play-calling gets better. Man, I'm going back, but one of the things I loved about when Ron Erhardt was here was you could see in his calls he was building something throughout the game. It just feels like now they put a bunch of plays in a hat and pull 'em out. I almost get the feel sometimes they are tipping something or just so predictable with tendencies with how easily runs are blown up at times. I know the line isn't that great, but can they be this bad?

There is no play calling in the world or anything else that is going to make our left tackle better. Watch him play. His opposing defensive player is almost always two steps in before he is out of his stance. That's not coaching or play calling. Its called lack of talent and athleticism. He just isn't very good (along with several other players on the line).

 

[TDX27]

The Steelers like "position flexibility". That's all well and good but I say let the dude play his natural position in the NFL for a year before you try to get him to play multiple positions. Their philosophy is ridiculous.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Munch still sitting out there eating popcorn?

If it’s not a money thing I’m starting to think maybe Tomlin’s ego keeps him from decent coaches underneath him cuz Canada, Meyer, Bubbles all SUCK out loud.

Jury still out on Austin and Flores definitely has a good history but I consider his situation unique with the dark cloud of suing the NFL he had lurking above him when he fell into our laps (glad to have him here at least)

Does Tomlin's ego also keep other teams from hiring Munch; if not as their OL coach, as their Special Assistant/Advisor to the OL?
Let me try this speculation is not news thing.
"If it's not a money thing, I'm starting to think maybe Munchak is taking a little time off to enjoy being a grandfather. Time that coaching wouldn't permit."

 

[diver]

Does Tomlin's ego also keep other teams from hiring Munch; if not as their OL coach, as their Special Assistant/Advisor to the OL?
Let me try this speculation is not news thing.
"If it's not a money thing, I'm starting to think maybe Munchak is taking a little time off to enjoy being a grandfather. Time that coaching wouldn't permit."

Well ****, that's no fun. It's gotta be Tomlin's fault!

Tomlin was probably on the grassy knoll somehow too.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Exactly, no fun at all

The tell it like it is and Tomlin’s standard sucks narrative is a lot more fun, but I get it some are perfectly content with being a C franchise.

All I can remember is that any coach worth his salt that wasn’t under a cloud of being possibly black listed by the league has gotten the hell away from Shades and none of “his guys” go on to do Jack **** elsewhere…but I’m sure they were all just tired lmao

 

[diver]

Damn straight it’s no fun

Neither is his dangerously average standard..his dangerously average results speak for themselves…simply can’t get enough of those first round playoff exits. I remember when we were an A+ franchise, now we’re a B franchise heading towards a C. I would suggest that if it ain’t pissing you off yet you’re just the type of ***** that would look great on our OL. All the Tomlin nut huggers can so suck a bag of dicks

Neither is the OL greatness he has so dutifully helped build

List all of the great coaches from the Tomlin tree that he has groomed and went on to upgraded positions elsewhere, please…I’ll wait…

I’ll stick with the theory that he wants zero competition for his job or to be challenged by say concepts that lead to a higher level
Of success…or maybe that it’s all just a product of his ego.

**** Cool Shades and the bullshit he spews…his best work comes in press conferences and the show him the door narrative will keep surfacing until he actually shows something worthwhile. I won’t hold my breath tho cuz he is thick as a brick and doesn’t seem to learn, just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over

Is that better?

Well, it shows you have an agenda.

Let's look at your points. Playoff exits. Absolutely fair and he should be criticized for that. There is no conjecture there. All the other crap about A+ to C...just more speculative bullshit.

The OL situation. He should receive criticism for that. Fair.

Tomlin tree. Bullshit. Belechick has a tree, but the tree has sucked. It doesn't mean a damn thing if the tree is no good.

The fact that he seemingly doesn't change...fair because you can see it.

Pissing me off? Not that much. I'll keep saying it, I will not get all wadded up over what I cannot control. What is all your pissed off accomplishing toward your goal of getting rid of Tomlin. Not a damn thing. Go fishing, get laid or something.

 

[diver]

What's funny to me is that I, if running the Steelers, would have moved on. And I have stated that on here clearly. But I just gotta challenge the nonsense.

 

[livingthrudying]

Tomlin tree. Bullshit. Belechick has a tree, but the tree has sucked. It doesn't mean a damn thing if the tree is no good.

Cant really call BS on this one my friend. Belichick often has coaches poached from him into higher positions. While many have not succeeded they have at least been given a shot. I can't think of a single coach that Tomlin hired that has been poached or left here to move up in the NFL coaching ranks. The Belichick coach tree has bared fruit, maybe not the best fruit but the Tomlin tree doesn't even attract anyone looking for fruit. What does that tell you? To me Tomlin is a extremely mediocre coach that lucked into a really good situation. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Litos]

Left tackle, LG, RG, RT, maybe Center short. I have never seen a starting offensive line in such disarray and shortcomings, at least with the Steelers. ...

last season was even worse, for sure I have seen such a shitshow with the Steelers, we are just gerting ready for one more ride in the fuckup rollercoaster that we call Steelers Oline

 

[Litos]

our best Olineman is Chuks, delve on that. Well now that I think abpout it he is the best paid.

 

[keslerclan]

IMO, the hiring of Pat Meyer IS the main reason our OL looks so awful. His system is non-traditional. He is a "strike-first, take the fight to them" coach. He also likes "independent hands on strikes" which, again, is nontraditional. When an OL has learned their entire careers to play a certain way, and you bring in a different philosophy, it will result in what we see. Good players can become awful looking and average players can look worse...until/unless they can grasp the NEW system being taught. IMO, Kazora shows it best in his YouTube video titled "Why the Steelers' offensive line is struggling" a week or so ago.
Yes, Dan Moore has regressed, but in my opinion, it's because he didn't "pick up where he left off last year". He is now starting from scratch. Same with Daniels. He was trending up in his play and is now learning a new system which is nontraditional. Traditional OL blocking is derived from a "protective" standpoint in pass-blocking and a leverage/momentum standpoint in run blocking. A person who made a career playing OL would be better at describing this than me.
Bottom line is, under Meyer's system, you will get beat early if you miss, and we are seeing a lot of this. Right now, it is going to be ugly and hopefully get better. But, it may not.

Given Pat Meyer's history of poor results, I was puzzled by the hire BUT I can understand how his philosophy would sound good to a coach with a "passive OL" like we have had since Munch left.
My call would be to bring in Munch (he is trying to enjoy his first year off from coaching with his family BUT still has a desire to coach in the future). I'd bring him down as a consultant to "talk" with the players and get their perspective and then formulate a plan with Meyer. This would not be a full-time hire, and therefore, may suit his desired schedule for this "off year". There MAY be a solution IF the players feel they cannot perform at their best going "all-in" on Meyer's system? Maybe let Moore just do his thing as he is comfortable so as not to set him back and get our 3 QBs get killed? Sure, it may not work but moving forward, the likelihood of an entirely new way to play the OL position working well with guys who have been playing under a traditional philosophy for 20 years seems foolhardy.

 

[xjx]

How many OL coaches did Tomlin interview before he made his decision?