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Haeg situation seems odd.

Well, it shows you have an agenda.

Let's look at your points. Playoff exits. Absolutely fair and he should be criticized for that. There is no conjecture there. All the other crap about A+ to C...just more speculative bullshit.

The OL situation. He should receive criticism for that. Fair.

Tomlin tree. Bullshit. Belechick has a tree, but the tree has sucked. It doesn't mean a damn thing if the tree is no good.

The fact that he seemingly doesn't change...fair because you can see it.

Pissing me off? Not that much. I'll keep saying it, I will not get all wadded up over what I cannot control. What is all your pissed off accomplishing toward your goal of getting rid of Tomlin. Not a damn thing. Go fishing, get laid or something.
love that you pretty much agree with every point

Been day drinking today….shouldn’t be posting 🤣

But had I not I wouldn’t have got to the last paragraph advice section

“Go fishing, get laid.,.” Actually great advice!!! Imma roll with that and say your best take ever!!!

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The Steelers like "position flexibility". That's all well and good but I say let the dude play his natural position in the NFL for a year before you try to get him to play multiple positions. Their philosophy is ridiculous.
AGREED! I myself am a big proponent of the"position blockability" method. When the player on the OL hits the guy on the DL, quarterbacks are protected, and the RB doesn't get hit two yards in the backfield. You know, fantasy land.
 
The Steelers like "position flexibility". That's all well and good but I say let the dude play his natural position in the NFL for a year before you try to get him to play multiple positions. Their philosophy is ridiculous.
Yeah, I would definitely look for guys who specialized in a position for starters and a few developmental guys.. having one multi positional guy as a backup for gameday emergencies is a great plan, but not everyone
 
Not like if we flip them the OL can really regress so they should definitely give it a shot. At this point all cards should be on the table, no stone left unturned, and every other cliche in the book that applies.

Nothing beats shaken PoPcorn with butter. We have to find the men needed to shake and the right man to add the butter. Once the butter is melted it can NOT be put back. Same goes for pudding.


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love that you pretty much agree with every point

Been day drinking today….shouldn’t be posting 🤣

But had I not I wouldn’t have got to the last paragraph advice section

“Go fishing, get laid.,.” Actually great advice!!! Imma roll with that and say your best take ever!!!

Thanks
Imma hoping both those this weekend. Not sure what order, tho.

We are probably closer than you think. I would have fired Tomlin. Keep it to what we see, though. It's kinda like what we see in politics. The Repubs did it with Clinton, the Dems with Trump. It's too over the top, and when the arguments go there, it actually drives people to support them.
 
Cant really call BS on this one my friend. Belichick often has coaches poached from him into higher positions. While many have not succeeded they have at least been given a shot. I can't think of a single coach that Tomlin hired that has been poached or left here to move up in the NFL coaching ranks. The Belichick coach tree has bared fruit, maybe not the best fruit but the Tomlin tree doesn't even attract anyone looking for fruit. What does that tell you? To me Tomlin is a extremely mediocre coach that lucked into a really good situation. Just my 2 cents.
The reason I do think it is bullshit is because the coach has to have his own personality anyway, and do things his way. If he comes in and tries to be the guy he was working for, it isn't gonna work. That's why the Belechick guys haven't done well. They are trying to be him without the credibility, and it goes to ****. Cowher came from Shottenheimer, but they sure as hell were different guys. That's why it worked.

Look at Lombardi's coaching tree. Like Belechicks for the same reason. The Steelers tried a Lombardi guy right before Noll...Bill Austin. It was a disaster.
 
The reason I do think it is bullshit is because the coach has to have his own personality anyway, and do things his way. If he comes in and tries to be the guy he was working for, it isn't gonna work. That's why the Belechick guys haven't done well. They are trying to be him without the credibility, and it goes to ****. Cowher came from Shottenheimer, but they sure as hell were different guys. That's why it worked.

Look at Lombardi's coaching tree. Like Belechicks for the same reason. The Steelers tried a Lombardi guy right before Noll...Bill Austin. It was a disaster.
I agree with that 100%, but it still says that Belicheck is a good enough coach that people want coaches that worked under him. As far as i can tell people do not even seek out Tomlin's coaches for moving up the ranks. I guess my whole point is that if he was really regarded as a good coach then we would be hearing every year how teams want to talk to this coach and so on, yet we never seem to hear about that happening at all. So is it cause nobody wants a coach that worked under Tomlin cause they aren't impressed with Tomlin's body of work, or is it cause Tomlin hires terrible coaches to begin with? Regardless of what the reasoning is, one thing is clear. Nobody wants our coaches ever.
 
I agree with that 100%, but it still says that Belicheck is a good enough coach that people want coaches that worked under him. As far as i can tell people do not even seek out Tomlin's coaches for moving up the ranks. I guess my whole point is that if he was really regarded as a good coach then we would be hearing every year how teams want to talk to this coach and so on, yet we never seem to hear about that happening at all. So is it cause nobody wants a coach that worked under Tomlin cause they aren't impressed with Tomlin's body of work, or is it cause Tomlin hires terrible coaches to begin with? Regardless of what the reasoning is, one thing is clear. Nobody wants our coaches ever.
There is also option 3. Tomlin hires mostly veteran coaches who are not the young, up and coming names that other teams look to hire. This works both for and against him. It works for him in that he has coaches that have enough experience where they "should" be able to pass that on to the players (hasn't worked on the OL, but then again, the guy after Munch was a kid with little experience and last year's guy had little to no NFL experience). It works against him in that those young, hungry coaches bring fresh ideas.
 
I agree with that 100%, but it still says that Belicheck is a good enough coach that people want coaches that worked under him. As far as i can tell people do not even seek out Tomlin's coaches for moving up the ranks. I guess my whole point is that if he was really regarded as a good coach then we would be hearing every year how teams want to talk to this coach and so on, yet we never seem to hear about that happening at all. So is it cause nobody wants a coach that worked under Tomlin cause they aren't impressed with Tomlin's body of work, or is it cause Tomlin hires terrible coaches to begin with? Regardless of what the reasoning is, one thing is clear. Nobody wants our coaches ever.
I do question some of Tomlin's coaching hires. I think you have a very valid point there.
 
I do question some of Tomlin's coaching hires. I think you have a very valid point there.
This might be the best staff he has had since 07… but the oline coach is often considered the third most important assistant on the staff, after the dc and oc… and the jury is out on him
 
This might be the best staff he has had since 07… but the oline coach is often considered the third most important assistant on the staff, after the dc and oc… and the jury is out on him

There is no way in hell that a team should be starting an NFL season with the excuse " It's a tough learn PUNCH tactic". That scheme should be 2nd nature at this point. If it's that hard to learn then it's either not being coached properly or it won't fit the NFL.

I hope if the coaching sticks with it it is all SUPER WORLD and our OL is the greatest ever. I know I need to be a little more patient and play the "wait - N - see" but I hope it is not at the season's expense.


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I'm not sold on this "punch aggressive" tactic our OL coach is taunting out there. Some here have said he OLC sucked at his other team's line coaching job and so far he seems to be sucking here as well. If this tactic is so dang hard to learn than it is a **** tactic, or we have "challenged" players.


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people touted James Daniels ability. And then he came to this team.

jesus
 
Its pretty clear that they wanted Scott for his familiarity with the technique we are using… id take Haeg over him, but I don’t set rosters….
Indeed

Scott is quite familiar with the turnstile technique and is quickly teaching the other linemen

Maybe we should bring in a line-cook from an IHOP and teach the boys how to make pancakes?
 
Indeed

Scott is quite familiar with the turnstile technique and is quickly teaching the other linemen

Maybe we should bring in a line-cook from an IHOP and teach the boys how to make pancakes?


Maybe it's more a lack of BACON ? Every MAN loves bacon and would do practically anything including blocking someone from taking theirs......................


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A lot of smoke that we are interested in Andre Dillard from the eagles, though it may cost us a fourth or even a third… if he is a long term solution at LT then do it. Move moore to guard and see if someone wants to take a flyer on green
Andre Dillard just broke his forearm in practice....so I guess the smoke cleared out on this from happening.
 
I agree with that 100%, but it still says that Belicheck is a good enough coach that people want coaches that worked under him.

I sometimes wonder why, given their poor track record, teams/owners hire Belichik ex-coaches (Crenell, McDaniels, Patricia, O'Brien) that hardly live up to their expectations, time and time again. And now that the Belichick "magic" has sort of worn off, the ToCC (Trinity of Cheating Conspirators - that being Belichik, Brady, and Adams) is now down to one guy, and you'll see fewer and fewer Ex Pat coaches get consideration for other jobs in the league. The "magic" is wearing off.
 
There is no way in hell that a team should be starting an NFL season with the excuse " It's a tough learn PUNCH tactic". That scheme should be 2nd nature at this point. If it's that hard to learn then it's either not being coached properly or it won't fit the NFL.

I hope if the coaching sticks with it it is all SUPER WORLD and our OL is the greatest ever. I know I need to be a little more patient and play the "wait - N - see" but I hope it is not at the season's expense.


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Could it be that colleges also teach a different, more passive technique and therefore players coming into the NFL know no other way to play the position? Are some college teams who are regarded as having "pro-style" offenses getting away with teaching the techniques that Meyer teaches?

"Maulers" like Faneca and Chris Kemoeatu could be things of the past. And speaking of Faneca.... when was the last time we ran a toss sweep with a pulling guard? Maybe I'm stuck in antiquity and haven't realized that play is long-gone from playbooks. Shoot, I'm still looking for a wishbone formation every now & then. :sneaky:
 
I would fight to the death for my bacon…

Like in the movie "waterboy" Have our offensive line envision our QB as a slab of THEIR BACON and the defense wants to take it..............


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Could it be that colleges also teach a different, more passive technique and therefore players coming into the NFL know no other way to play the position? Are some college teams who are regarded as having "pro-style" offenses getting away with teaching the techniques that Meyer teaches?

"Maulers" like Faneca and Chris Kemoeatu could be things of the past. And speaking of Faneca.... when was the last time we ran a toss sweep with a pulling guard? Maybe I'm stuck in antiquity and haven't realized that play is long-gone from playbooks. Shoot, I'm still looking for a wishbone formation every now & then. :sneaky:

If that is truly the case then why bring in MEYER IF OUR LINE isn't of that nature / background? Why not bring in someone who coaches to the stregnth of our OL players. Hell, we brought in several players that don't fit into this scheme currently. Danials has regressed & Moore is like starting all over. 3 OLC in less than three years and the vary-ness of tactic is just poor hiring, pretty simple regardless of college influence.


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Like in the movie "waterboy" Have our offensive line envision our QB as a slab of THEIR BACON and the defense wants to take it..............


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Could we stash Bush’s game check in say the opposing RB or QBs pocket under this same sort of plan?
 
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