Haley extended through 2016

[deljzc]

There are a couple factors here:

1. Coordinators are almost always signed in 2-year blocks. Here and in many other NFL cities. They often do not get extended with 1-year left unless they are really strong head coaching candidates and teams use it as a warning shot to "stay away" but that doesn't work anyhow. I think Lebeau has been signed in 2-year increments for a while now.

2. The 2-years for Haley now coincides with Tomlin's current contract. If Tomlin doesn't get an extension (which he still could), then the Rooney's can easily make wholesale changes to the coaching staff next year and not create that much money for nothing (and both Tomlin and Haley would likely find other coaching jobs anyhow and most coaching contracts have language that doesn't let coaches "double dip" and get paid twice for the same thing).

3. This should be TOMLIN'S DECISION, not the Rooney's. Tomlin should be in charge of his staff. Tomlin should be making the decisions when he wants to retain his coordinators in 2-year increments and whether he wants to make a change. In my opinion, those are part of the head coach's job description. If the Rooney's still have the most influence on this issue after Tomlin's EIGHT years in the league, something isn't right.

4. This decision should have nothing to do with the Rooney's decision in what to do with Tomlin. The team's performance is Tomlin's responsibility, not Haley's. If the Rooney's are not happy with 8-8, 8-8 and 11-5/home playoff loss over the last 3 seasons, that has nothing to do with Haley and everything to do with Tomlin. They should make decisions to Tomlin and Tomlin alone. Everything under Tomlin is Tomlin's choices to best save his job and best win football games.

 

[GMC]

Hes a $100M+ QB..a franchise HOF quarterback right ? .....why is it we can rack up 1st downs and yardage in chunks between the 20s but seem to have a problem executing touchdown scoring plays in the redzone ? We ranked 19th in the league in RZ TD efficiency.One of the most proficient yardage generating offenses in the league...top 5 but in the lower half of RZ TD efficiency...

How often has he taken sacks in the red zone (holding the ball)...incompletions in the red zone ?.....hows his completion rate in the RZ compare to his non-RZ completion pctg ? Dont take my critique as suggesting hes a horrible QB..hes not..but hes not in the same conversation as the elite when it comes to RZ TD efficiency.....we all know its a struggle with this team and it starts w the QB......6 is better than 3 and now days we need the 6's a lot more than we need the 3's. In 2005-2009 we could FG our way to close victories.....our defense wont afford us that luxury anymore.

I agree on certain points, but putting all the blame on Ben because the team rarely ranks high in RZ% is stretching it. The ranking doesn't really mean much without context. Hell Oakland lead the league in RZ% this year and 6 of the top 10 teams didn't make the playoffs. I can guarantee one thing, this team would score a whole lot less without Ben.

 

[Scott T]

how many times did the Steelers score from 30, 40 , 50 80, 90 yards out this year?

 

[Superman]

There are a couple factors here:

1. Coordinators are almost always signed in 2-year blocks. Here and in many other NFL cities. They often do not get extended with 1-year left unless they are really strong head coaching candidates and teams use it as a warning shot to "stay away" but that doesn't work anyhow. I think Lebeau has been signed in 2-year increments for a while now.

2. The 2-years for Haley now coincides with Tomlin's current contract. If Tomlin doesn't get an extension (which he still could), then the Rooney's can easily make wholesale changes to the coaching staff next year and not create that much money for nothing (and both Tomlin and Haley would likely find other coaching jobs anyhow and most coaching contracts have language that doesn't let coaches "double dip" and get paid twice for the same thing).

3. This should be TOMLIN'S DECISION, not the Rooney's. Tomlin should be in charge of his staff. Tomlin should be making the decisions when he wants to retain his coordinators in 2-year increments and whether he wants to make a change. In my opinion, those are part of the head coach's job description. If the Rooney's still have the most influence on this issue after Tomlin's EIGHT years in the league, something isn't right.

4. This decision should have nothing to do with the Rooney's decision in what to do with Tomlin. The team's performance is Tomlin's responsibility, not Haley's. If the Rooney's are not happy with 8-8, 8-8 and 11-5/home playoff loss over the last 3 seasons, that has nothing to do with Haley and everything to do with Tomlin. They should make decisions to Tomlin and Tomlin alone. Everything under Tomlin is Tomlin's choices to best save his job and best win football games.

maybe it just gives Haley an out to go elsewhere if he chooses?

 

[topseed]

There are a couple factors here:

1. Coordinators are almost always signed in 2-year blocks. Here and in many other NFL cities. They often do not get extended with 1-year left unless they are really strong head coaching candidates and teams use it as a warning shot to "stay away" but that doesn't work anyhow. I think Lebeau has been signed in 2-year increments for a while now.

2. The 2-years for Haley now coincides with Tomlin's current contract. If Tomlin doesn't get an extension (which he still could), then the Rooney's can easily make wholesale changes to the coaching staff next year and not create that much money for nothing (and both Tomlin and Haley would likely find other coaching jobs anyhow and most coaching contracts have language that doesn't let coaches "double dip" and get paid twice for the same thing).

3. This should be TOMLIN'S DECISION, not the Rooney's. Tomlin should be in charge of his staff. Tomlin should be making the decisions when he wants to retain his coordinators in 2-year increments and whether he wants to make a change. In my opinion, those are part of the head coach's job description. If the Rooney's still have the most influence on this issue after Tomlin's EIGHT years in the league, something isn't right.

4. This decision should have nothing to do with the Rooney's decision in what to do with Tomlin. The team's performance is Tomlin's responsibility, not Haley's. If the Rooney's are not happy with 8-8, 8-8 and 11-5/home playoff loss over the last 3 seasons, that has nothing to do with Haley and everything to do with Tomlin. They should make decisions to Tomlin and Tomlin alone. Everything under Tomlin is Tomlin's choices to best save his job and best win football games.

I think you're hoping against hope that Haley's extension is some kind of indicator that they won't extend Tomlin. 11-5 this season was plenty enough for Tomlin to not have to worry about how to 'best save his job" going forward. Coach T is going to be around for quite a while, man. You might as well accept it.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Well deserved....the man took a crap load of heat from me and many others but the numbers don't lie....the Steelers had one of the most prolific offenses in the league and it should only get better.

Good. That means I can dress up as Todd Haley for Halloween like Pittsburgh Dad.

 

[steelerscotty]

Redzone efficiancy needs work. Of course, the hate Ben crowd will blame the qb but its the coaches who decide on formation. 5 wide inside the 20 with no run threat wont get it done. We have been fairly successful throwing out of big sets down near the goalline so i dont get the love for spreading it out on a short field. Bet Snoop dog is having a coniption fit. Burgundy, you should dress as Haley's wife for halloween . . .

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I love how any play that doesnt work is a stupid play call.

You must be new here. That's our job and we take it seriously. Welcome to SN.com.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Redzone efficiancy needs work. Of course, the hate Ben crowd will blame the qb but its the coaches who decide on formation. 5 wide inside the 20 with no run threat wont get it done. We have been fairly successful throwing out of big sets down near the goalline so i dont get the love for spreading it out on a short field. Bet Snoop dog is having a coniption fit. Burgundy, you should dress as Haley's wife for halloween . . .

I'm not willing to totally resolve Roethlisberger from blame for the RZ issues, as he's part of the equation, but those who do not think the offensive design and play calling in these situations is suspect are not paying close enough attention.

I've already pointed out how Roethlisberger-led offenses had success in the redzone in Cowher's scheme. It's when they went primarily to the 2-TE base offense in Tomlin's second year when the redzone issues became a persistent thing.

You're right regarding the formations in the red zone. There's too many "hey, we're passing now" formations on first and second down where the defense doesn't even have to consider the run.

 

[deljzc]

I think you're hoping against hope that Haley's extension is some kind of indicator that they won't extend Tomlin. 11-5 this season was plenty enough for Tomlin to not have to worry about how to 'best save his job" going forward. Coach T is going to be around for quite a while, man. You might as well accept it.

We will see if that decision by the Rooney's leads to any meaningful achievements over the next 5 seasons (or more).

I personally think this team takes a step back next year. I think our pass rush will be worse. I think our secondary could be worse. I think we miss the playoffs. I think Baltimore and Cincinnati are right there with us talent wise now and would argue both have better defenses that yield better results in late season divisional games in cold weather (which the league is now scheduling TWO divisional games in the last three every year now).

I think we muddle around the same level we've seen lately over the next 5 season until Roethlisberger is gone then the wheels come off for good under Tomlin and he will be exposed as just an average coach like all the others debated on here that can't do much without a quarterback.

I'm just not that optimistic over the next decade at all.

 

[TAS]

I'm just not that optimistic over the next decade at all.

You're a racist hater.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I say great, we signed Haley. I'm sure Tomlin was asked for input on the decision. Those who think NOT, need to think about it. How assinine a decision it would be if Tomlin had no input. Coach Tomlin will be around for awhile, now it's colbert who needs to be replaced. Wouldn't it be GREAT if Bill Cohwer would be the GM? Guarantee our talent level would climb.



Salute the nation

 

[Steelerfan]

Don't care about Todd. Was Mrs. Haley extended?

 

[Drink IRON City]

Don't care about Todd. Was Mrs. Haley extended?

About 8"





Salute the nation

 

[Steelerfan]

Well done. I set them up and you guys knock them down.

 

[steelbush]

Not thrilled with the signing....I think alot of coaches could have done just as good or better with probably the best RB and best WR in the game and a top 7 QB in the league. If he learns how to use that midget Dri Archer next year I'll be a little more impressed. That being said it makes no sense to try and change O coordinators at this point in Ben's career. They have seemed to work out their differences.

Now...if we lose Munchak, I'll be pissed. They need to keep him around as long as possible.

 

[SteelersHarley0120]

We shall see what changes he institutes for the next season..

 

[Elfiero]

The numbers can lie, if they're not viewed in the proper context.

The cumulative numbers are skewed because they had three or four games where they got confused and thought they were the 1999 Rams, but were overall as inconsistent in scoring as they've been in prior years.

As I've previously alluded to, the Steelers offense scored 20 points or less in their last four games, including the playoff loss.

I'm not thrilled about the extension, but whatever.

So anything less than maybe 40 points in EVERY game is unacceptable?

From the comments in that article:



The most the Steelers ever scored with Bruce Arians calling the plays was 393 points, and that was back in 2007, his first season as the offensive coordinator. In fact, you’ll notice a general downward trend in scoring under Arians…

2007: 393
2008: 347
2009: 368
2010: 375
2011: 325

Compare that to constant upward trend under Todd Haley…

2012: 336
2013: 379
2014: 436

Haley’s offense scored more in 2012 than Arians’ offense did in 2011. Haley’s offense scored more in 2013 than any of Arians’ offenses except 2007. Haley’s offense in 2014 scored more than any other Steelers team in franchise history, both overall and per game. Todd Haley has done an excellent job.

 

[Elfiero]

Not thrilled with the signing....I think alot of coaches could have done just as good or better with probably the best RB and best WR in the game and a top 7 QB in the league. If he learns how to use that midget Dri Archer next year I'll be a little more impressed. That being said it makes no sense to try and change O coordinators at this point in Ben's career. They have seemed to work out their differences.

Now...if we lose Munchak, I'll be pissed. They need to keep him around as long as possible.

You're nuts. He's turned Ben into something actually resembling an NFL quarterback. I want to thank the Rooneys for being smart enough to listen to my advice on firing BA and bringing in a disciplinarian to handle Ben, it's worked out as I planned.

 

[deljzc]

So anything less than maybe 40 points in EVERY game is unacceptable?

From the comments in that article:



The most the Steelers ever scored with Bruce Arians calling the plays was 393 points, and that was back in 2007, his first season as the offensive coordinator. In fact, you’ll notice a general downward trend in scoring under Arians…

2007: 393
2008: 347
2009: 368
2010: 375
2011: 325

Compare that to constant upward trend under Todd Haley…

2012: 336
2013: 379
2014: 436

Haley’s offense scored more in 2012 than Arians’ offense did in 2011. Haley’s offense scored more in 2013 than any of Arians’ offenses except 2007. Haley’s offense in 2014 scored more than any other Steelers team in franchise history, both overall and per game. Todd Haley has done an excellent job.

What's interesting about that is no improvement over Arians' tenure (best year was his 1st year) while you can see the improvement under Haley.

That's understandable since Arians did very little to "change things" after Whisenhunt while Haley actually did try to drastically change the way Ben plays and there was a learning curve to be expected.

 

[stuntmanmike]

I think the numbers can lie too. We arent consistant just like all the offenses haley has coached. Bryant was the real Cather in the rye so to speak. He gave us the deep threat that we've missed since Wallace. And Haley wasn't even going to play him! We will win in spite of Haley

 

[Punxsutawney]

So anything less than maybe 40 points in EVERY game is unacceptable?

From the comments in that article:



The most the Steelers ever scored with Bruce Arians calling the plays was 393 points, and that was back in 2007, his first season as the offensive coordinator. In fact, you’ll notice a general downward trend in scoring under Arians…

2007: 393
2008: 347
2009: 368
2010: 375
2011: 325

Compare that to constant upward trend under Todd Haley…

2012: 336
2013: 379
2014: 436

Haley’s offense scored more in 2012 than Arians’ offense did in 2011. Haley’s offense scored more in 2013 than any of Arians’ offenses except 2007. Haley’s offense in 2014 scored more than any other Steelers team in franchise history, both overall and per game. Todd Haley has done an excellent job.

They struggled against several weak defenses and ended the season failing to run the ball well or score more than two offensive TDs in each of their last four games.

Again, it's my view those three 40+ point games spawned the illusion that they were better/more consistent than they actually were. Plus, there was that 32 point game against the ****** Saints defense where half the points came in fourth quarter garbage time after the game had been decided and they stunk up the joint for the first 50 minutes.

I'm not sure about you, but I was disappointed with the offenses' performance more weeks than not, despite all the exiciting young talent and those flashy numbers that were accumulated by season's end.