HCMT

[Vincent]

I've been as critical of HCMT as anyone on this board.... on football related matters. And whenever I became particularly caustic, I framed it in the context of the man. "By all accounts he's a decent man, a good husband and father". While the two go hand in hand, HCMT the man is a good man. Even likable.

Along comes this interview with Ryan and some of his friends. I really like this HCMT. He's a very good friend to these kids. And it seems that he's the first to stand up an do the right thing. The interview is long but a lot of fun.



With that said, my criticisms remain. He doesn't seem to develop talent. He doesn't seem to utilize talent to its potential. He seems to be content with the résumé. The record clearly speaks for itself. But he's a good and decent man. In the last analysis, that's the résumé that remains.

Wondering about this Flores fellow. Might he be the catalyst? They don't seem to all hierarchy oriented. Maybe something special can happen here.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I've been as critical of HCMT as anyone on this board.... on football related matters. And whenever I became particularly caustic, I framed it in the context of the man. "By all accounts he's a decent man, a good husband and father". While the two go hand in hand, HCMT the man is a good man. Even likable.

Along comes this interview with Ryan and some of his friends. I really like this HCMT. He's a very good friend to these kids. And it seems that he's the first to stand up an do the right thing. The interview is long but a lot of fun.



With that said, my criticisms remain. He doesn't seem to develop talent. He doesn't seem to utilize talent to its potential. He seems to be content with the résumé. The record clearly speaks for itself. But he's a good and decent man. In the last analysis, that's the résumé that remains.

Wondering about this Flores fellow. Might he be the catalyst? They don't seem to all hierarchy oriented. Maybe something special can happen here.

I still think sometimes we have overestimated the talent we have had over the years and it could be he has gotten more out of them than many would. It isn’t like very many leave here and go set the world on fire. Most have their best years playing for him. Maybe just maybe the success we have had was because of him not inspire of him. Maybe we should have been losing more than winning and his coaching up guys to plays hard raised the opinion of our talent level to unrealistic proportions.

Just my ongoing humble opinion. He certainly has areas he could improve in but I think he does get players to play hard for him and does developers some guys from obscurity to being decent players.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

MT like Dungy were, are (seemingly) amazing good people. Period.

Football wise they are following similar paths. Great seasons and while having a top tier QB and not having better outcomes in the playoffs.

 

[diver]

I think that is why it is so hard to just fire the guy. Art knows him, knows his family, Tomlin knows them, and we don't. So it is easy for us to be caustic to some degree when you don't have those personal relationships built over years. Does that mean a lifetime appointment to head coach? It shouldn't, but it is also not as easy as we make it seem.

 

[steel dino]

Dont take this in the wrong way because I am not a Coach T hater by any means...

But Mike Tomlin is going to excel in his "life's work" once he decides to go that route...

 

[madinsomniac]

I am hopeful that he finally has a good staff… head coaches that try to micromanage too much end up sabotaging themselves… if Tomlin limited his control to the organizational things he excels at and has good people to control the x’s and o’s he’d have better end results

 

[livingthrudying]

One of the things I question the most is the constant hiring from within. Now don't get me wrong I understand from a "family" standpoint that's a great and honorable thing. The issue I have is that when you keep hiring from within your rehashing the same systems and everything else. If you win like gangbusters that makes a lot of sense. If you are falling short then it's time to look outside and bring in some fresh ideas. My issue is we keep watching our division get better and better and we are now close to the bottom if not at the bottom of our division. While our rivals have moved up and forward we seem to be fighting to keep the status quo. It may come back to bite us hard in the rear now that the others have gotten better. Or i could also be dead wrong. lol

 

[Hypocycloids]

I think that is why it is so hard to just fire the guy. Art knows him, knows his family, Tomlin knows them, and we don't. So it is easy for us to be caustic to some degree when you don't have those personal relationships built over years. Does that mean a lifetime appointment to head coach? It shouldn't, but it is also not as easy as we make it seem.

The only 3 positions I know of that receive a lifetime appointment are the Pope, a Supreme Court justice, and a Steeler head coach.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

MT like Dungy were, are (seemingly) amazing good people. Period.

Football wise they are following similar paths. Great seasons and while having a top tier QB and not having better outcomes in the playoffs.

I always wondered if Dungy had coached that 2002 season if they would have won that Superbowl... Dungy built that team

 

[madinsomniac]

I always wondered if Dungy had coached that 2002 season if they would have won that Superbowl... Dungy built that team

Well the icing on that cake was the Raiders didn’t change anything from Gruden running things, so it was like having a spygate advantage without actually doing the spying for the Bucs once they got to the super bowl lol

Seriously though the change of scenery did both coaches great.. Gruden got tge defense he needed to go with his offensive mindset, and Dungy got a offense that really only needed an ok defensive team behind it… and that was custom fit for Dungy

 

[FatsHolmes]

I've been as critical of HCMT as anyone on this board.... on football related matters. And whenever I became particularly caustic, I framed it in the context of the man. "By all accounts he's a decent man, a good husband and father". While the two go hand in hand, HCMT the man is a good man. Even likable.

Along comes this interview with Ryan and some of his friends. I really like this HCMT. He's a very good friend to these kids. And it seems that he's the first to stand up an do the right thing. The interview is long but a lot of fun.



With that said, my criticisms remain. He doesn't seem to develop talent. He doesn't seem to utilize talent to its potential. He seems to be content with the résumé. The record clearly speaks for itself. But he's a good and decent man. In the last analysis, that's the résumé that remains.

Wondering about this Flores fellow. Might he be the catalyst? They don't seem to all hierarchy oriented. Maybe something special can happen here.

It always bugs me when people talk about Tomlin getting this job because of the Rooney Rule - which they do in this video. They - and especially Tomlin - should know that the Steelers had already satisfied the Rooney Rule when they interviewed Tomlin because they had interviewed Ron Rivera. From what I understand, the Tomlin interview was a favor to Tony Dungy, so in a way, it was part of the 'old boy' network.

Tomlin fit the mold of the last two (and most successful) coaches for the Steelers. A young defensive coach that believed in conservative offense. He showed the right attitude during his interview and won over the Rooneys.

 

[SojournerSteel]

The only 3 positions I know of that receive a lifetime appointment are the Pope, a Supreme Court justice, and a Steeler head coach.

Steelers are different. The HOF QBs have complicated relationships with the fanbase for a lifetime, while HCs get contracts for life. It's weird.

 

[CoolieMan]

Damn I started watching that, then saw it was an hour and a half long and damn near just turned it off

so damn glad I didn't. you can not watch that and not come away appreciating the Man that Mike Tomlin is. those trolls who love to call him ignorant and doubt his intelligence need to put in the time and watch this.

Tomlin has his shortcomings as a coach (just like all other coaches do) we all know what they are and we harp on them while ignoring them in other coaches

Excellent interview and it is easy to see why players love and respect him

THanks for posting....

 

[SteelerSask2]

I've always been appreciative of Mike Tomlin, the leader and the man. I think he is a solid dude. I think if he surrounded himself with an x and o brain trust it would be a lot different. I take odds with his comment about teaching and coaching. I don't think he has a good track record of coaching up deficiency AT ALL. But great interview. Have always respected Ryan Clark. Very smart guy.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I've always been appreciative of Mike Tomlin, the leader and the man. I think he is a solid dude. I think if he surrounded himself with an x and o brain trust it would be a lot different. I take odds with his comment about teaching and coaching. I don't think he has a good track record of coaching up deficiency AT ALL. But great interview. Have always respected Ryan Clark. Very smart guy.

Devil's advocate here. But, tell me, during Tomlin's tenure how many Steelers players have left in free agency and played at the same or a greater level with their new team that they did while in Pittsburgh? Did Tomlin's coaching staff not get the best out of those players?
How many undrafted free agents have made significant contributions to the team during Tomlin's tenure? Did Tomlin's staff not coach up those players?
As Coolie noted, I think we, as fans of the Steelers get on Tomlin for deficiencies that we see in other coaches, but don't really acknowledge because those guys aren't coaching the Steelers. And, to an extent, that's fair. Because we aren't fans of those other teams.

 

[BLITZ]

let Tomlin take a home office job and promote Flores.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Devil's advocate here. But, tell me, during Tomlin's tenure how many Steelers players have left in free agency and played at the same or a greater level with their new team that they did while in Pittsburgh? Did Tomlin's coaching staff not get the best out of those players?
How many undrafted free agents have made significant contributions to the team during Tomlin's tenure? Did Tomlin's staff not coach up those players?
As Coolie noted, I think we, as fans of the Steelers get on Tomlin for deficiencies that we see in other coaches, but don't really acknowledge because those guys aren't coaching the Steelers. And, to an extent, that's fair. Because we aren't fans of those other teams.

They have paid up on their free agents. List the people who were great, walked for the money and failed. Mike Tomlin coaches the defensive side of the ball. I'm gonna say for the last what 6 years there has barely been a guy on that defense that wasn't a first or second round pick. So you are gonna have to give me some names of guys that really got coached up. Like Al Villonowava is an example of what you are talking about but wtf does CMT know about offensive tackle play. I guess you could say Mike Hilton. But the list is pretty slim.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

They have paid up on their free agents. List the people who were great, walked for the money and failed. Mike Tomlin coaches the defensive side of the ball. I'm gonna say for the last what 6 years there has barely been a guy on that defense that wasn't a first or second round pick. So you are gonna have to give me some names of guys that really got coached up. Like Al Villonowava is an example of what you are talking about but wtf does CMT know about offensive tackle play. I guess you could say Mike Hilton. But the list is pretty slim.

Are you sure you know what HCMT does or does not know about OT play? Because it seems to me that in order to know how to beat OTs, you'd have to know something about how they're supposed to play, i.e. sets, drops, hand positioning etc. Hargrave left. He's had a decent career in Philly, but not as good as he was here. How about Tyson Alu Alu? Wasn't he considered pretty much a 1st round bust in JAX? Now he's an integral part of our DL. Bud was a first round pick. And anyone who says he didn't develop while here is full of it. Wasn't half the player in Tenn that he was here. Ramon Foster - undrafted OT out of Univ. Of Tenn to long-term starting Guard for the Steelers. I'd say he developed pretty well. Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick ...

Btw, I didn't say anything about "great" players walking for the money and failing. I said "tell me, during Tomlin's tenure how many Steelers players have left in free agency and played at the same or a greater level with their new team that they did while in Pittsburgh? Did Tomlin's coaching staff not get the best out of those players?" You know, the same line that gets tossed around here when a Hargrave level player leaves. It's a little disingenuous to move the goal posts to only "great" players and 1st round picks.
In any event, I'd say we disagree on the level of "coaching up" some of these players have received. I say that quite a few of them were and I'd guess, you'd say Tomlin's staff has coached up players at a Jacksonvillesque level.

 

[MT~Forged]

I have always said he may be an excellent human being, and stuff like this just seems to confirm it. As far as the Rooney Rule, it just gives someone a chance to be considered, it doesn’t guarantee that they get hired. He got a shot, though I believe that it was a few years to early. My complaint was that he wasn’t ready, and that they stuck with him too long. I would prefer an X’s and O’s guy that can out coach the other teams, but it has been proven that that isn’t the only way to win.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Are you sure you know what HCMT does or does not know about OT play? Because it seems to me that in order to know how to beat OTs, you'd have to know something about how they're supposed to play, i.e. sets, drops, hand positioning etc. Hargrave left. He's had a decent career in Philly, but not as good as he was here. How about Tyson Alu Alu? Wasn't he considered pretty much a 1st round bust in JAX? Now he's an integral part of our DL. Bud was a first round pick. And anyone who says he didn't develop while here is full of it. Wasn't half the player in Tenn that he was here. Ramon Foster - undrafted OT out of Univ. Of Tenn to long-term starting Guard for the Steelers. I'd say he developed pretty well. Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick ...

Btw, I didn't say anything about "great" players walking for the money and failing. I said "tell me, during Tomlin's tenure how many Steelers players have left in free agency and played at the same or a greater level with their new team that they did while in Pittsburgh? Did Tomlin's coaching staff not get the best out of those players?" You know, the same line that gets tossed around here when a Hargrave level player leaves. It's a little disingenuous to move the goal posts to only "great" players and 1st round picks.
In any event, I'd say we disagree on the level of "coaching up" some of these players have received. I say that quite a few of them were and I'd guess, you'd say Tomlin's staff has coached up players at a Jacksonvillesque level.

No Mike Tomlin never coached AL V. In anything other than as being a professional and as being a good man. Fact. Wtf do you think he knows about pro level oline play. Like grow the **** up. That's what assistant coaches are for.
I've watched this team and I'm gonna focus on the defense. Cause that is what he coaches. Those are the guys he is capable of helping coach up. And to the best of my recollection they have never had a problem fixed by coaching up anything in mid season. They fix it in the off season with infusion of talent. Case in point. The inside run last season.
Your point about Dupree is laughable. Dupree was to the point where he looked like a complete bust, they gave him an option based upon improvement. He was also playing across from an all world talent. The Titans made a mammoth error signing him at that cost coming off ACL reconstruction. That is your point of the CMT coach up. Really?

 

[SteelerSask2]

Oh and by the way Javon Hargrave was a third round pick not a UFA. And his stats were the best they have ever been last season. I don't think anyone thought Alualu was a big reclamation project so much as like Hargrave it is hard to pay 1 and 2 tech noses big money.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

No Mike Tomlin never coached AL V. In anything other than as being a professional and as being a good man. Fact. Wtf do you think he knows about pro level oline play. Like grow the **** up. That's what are assistant coaches are for.
I've watched this team and I'm gonna focus on the defense. Cause that us what he coaches. Those are the guts he is capable of helping coach up. And to the best of my recollection they have never had a problem fixed by coaching up anything in mid season. They fix it in the off season with infusion of talent. Case in point. The inside run last season.
Your point about Dupree is laughable. Dupree was to the point where he looked like a complete bust, they gave him an option based upon improvement. He was also playing across from an all world talent. The Titans mad a mammoth error signing him at that cost coming off ACL construction. That is your point of the CMT coach up. Really?

Man, I apologize. I seem to have touched whatever nerve it is that turns you into a cursing lunatic.

Now, as far as growing up and knowing what coaches are supposed to coach what. It seems to me that when the offensive line plays like crap, all I hear is "Tomlin, Tomlin, Tomlin". When Benny Snell misses a hole, it's "Tomlin, Tomlin, Tomlin". Some of you folks want to have it both ways. Tomlin doesn't coach this or that position when it suits you. But, when those same players are screwing up, it's Tomlin's fault.

Here's a little something you, as a knowledgeable football fan, probably already know. It's the HC's JOB to know about the play of ALL positions on his football team. It's his JOB to be able to offer advice on technique to OL, DL, LBs, etc. etc. And it's his JOB to be knowledgeable enough about each position so that he can independently evaluate whether that person deserves a job on the football team he's responsible for. Assistant coaches assist ... it's in the job description.
Funny that you single out Dupree and don't have an answer for the Feilers, ABs, Fosters, Hargraves, etc.
Again, we disagree on the level of coaching some (probably most) of these guys received.

Funny thing about never fixing anything midseason. I seem to remember Witherspoon being brought off the practice squad midseason last year and helping to "fix" the problem the secondary was having as far as man coverage and takeaways. NEVER is a long time ... but kinda short when it was less than a year ago.

As for your earlier point about 1st rounders ... hmmm, I guess 1st rounders don't need coaching. They come into the league exactly as they are and don't get coached up on technique. They're either great right off the rip or they suck. A guy like Cam Heyward never happens.

Oh, and as a rebuttal to all the cursing at me you just did ... Man, go **** yourself. It might just loosen up whatever pent-up anger you have at being disagreed with and called out on bullshit.

And good night

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Oh and by the way Javon Hargrave was a third round pick not a UFA. And his stats were the best they have ever been last season. I don't think anyone thought Alualu was a big reclamation project so much as like Hargrave it is hard to pay 1 and 2 tech noses big money.

Please show me where I stated that Hargrave was a UFA. Citations and quotes are acceptable.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Please show me where I stated that Hargrave was a UFA. Citations and quotes are acceptable.

You offered up Hargrave as an example of a player who was coached up in Pittsburgh and I assume played not as well in Philly. I said he was a third round pick and had statistically his best season last year. Alualu apart from his first season in Pittsburgh has tracked the same solid career numbers throughout. I stand by Mike Hilton as one of the few (off the top of my head) guys that Mike Tomlin directly had his coaching hands on that was a UFA type guy that you could say vastly exceeded expectations. Harrison was pretty fully formed when Tomlin got control of the defense. And Lebeau was still heavily in the mix..

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Oh and by the way Javon Hargrave was a third round pick not a UFA. And his stats were the best they have ever been last season. I don't think anyone thought Alualu was a big reclamation project so much as like Hargrave it is hard to pay 1 and 2 tech noses big money.

You offered up Hargrave as an example of a player who was coached up in Pittsburgh and I assume played not as well in Philly. I said he was a third round pick and had statistically his best season last year. Alualu apart from his first season in Pittsburgh has tracked the same solid career numbers throughout.

Bruh, you implied that I stated that Hargrave was a UFA. It's right there in black and white.
Good night. God Bless.