Mike Tomlin is a fine leader of men and motivator. You will see a marked difference in the play of the linebackers other than Watt because they have Flores. If Tomlin surrounded himself with top flight assistants and coordinators he would be great. That is why they won a SB in 2008 and got to another shortly after. Since then not so much. Goodnight Bruh.
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Not all accounts. Were the rumors about Tomlin chasing women at Seven Springs proven to be unfounded? Just wondering if there was ever any substantiation, as I'm not from the Pittsburgh area.
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Don’t take this the wrong way but too bad his life’s work isn’t winning playoff games and SBs…it would be a lot more fun around here if that was the case.
Which is it?
That's what assistant coaches are for or he coaches the defense?
Grow the **** up, lol
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I think we all agree Tomlin is a good man and does care. The problem lies in this is a league of wining now, big business no time to be a good guy when it comes to coaching. We all admit as well there has been great talent wasted on accomplishing a winning record but going nowhere in the playoffs and in the last five years complete tanking at end of year. Last two years Tomlin shield has been blaming Ben, not having running game, players not fulfilling their ability. Todays game that does not get it, being a good person comes second as a head coach in the NFL today.
I agree with this, but I would say that about any coach. Better assistants and better players make them look better.
It shouldn't. In no world should that be the case. If it is it is that world that needs to change, not the coach who is a good person.
One thing we have to understand is these players, many of them, have been great athletes all their lives. In one way or another they have had their ***** sniffed since they were little. If there is no foundation at home that is a recipe for disaster. A good man as a head coach is so important because for many of these players this will be the first real growing up they get. Think about that a minute...the NFL, a game, pretty much a fantasy in many ways, is the first real growing up they get.
I agree totally. Generally better coaches attract better assistant coaches. Who are the great ones that Tomlin has hired?
I'm tired of the subject. I want playoffs and Superbowl .
Name some great ones hired by any of the HCs in the NFL.
Ones they developed who went on to win SBs as HCs or have their teams in the playoffs every year. Other than Shannahan with McVay, it's hard to find many.
Is Leftwich great in TB? Or was having Brady and a loaded roster what made him great? We'll see this year.
Is Bienemy great? Or again, is it the loaded offensive roster?
Lafleur? He "inherited" a HOF QB and hasn't done much with him.
Belicheck is, by all media accounts, a fricking genius as a coach ... Yet his assistants, when hired as HCs have almost all universally failed.
So, what makes an assistant great? His football knowledge? The roster he has to work with? Maybe both ... probably both.
Simple as this. Give me the list of purely Tomlin guys, not transition from Cowher guys, who elevated to HC or even Coordinator. This should be great.
Not a one. But, then again, if you look around the league, there are very few "purely this coach" guys who elevated to HC or even Coordinator. Most of the HCs or even Coordinators have worked for more than one HC prior to being elevated. The only ones I can think of, off the top of my head, who didn't were the Belicheat guys. And again, you've seen how "great" they were.
Simple as that.
* You didn't answer my question about naming some great assistants hired by any NFL Head Coach. Was this an oversight? Or did you simply wish to ignore it and instead pose a question of your own?
In answer to your question every single year about six or so Coordinators are elevated to HC and about 10 or so are elevated from position coaches to coordinating jobs based upon above and retirements and firings. They ALL worked for an HC. Yet not one of them is attached to Tomlin.
I learn something every day. I never realized that assistant coaches had the luxury of picking and choosing which HC they'd want to work under.
I thought they always jump at the opportunity to go where they're wanted no matter who the HC...lateral move for more money, promotion, whatever.
You always hear about how players would like to play for Tomlin, I suspect its the same for assistant coaches.
I thought they always jump at the opportunity to go where they're wanted no matter who the HC...lateral move for more money, promotion, whatever.
You always hear about how players would like to play for Tomlin, I suspect its the same for assistant coaches.
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I operate like this. No one knows who is gonna win more games then the Vegas odds makers. Certainly not the morning show guys. Vegas knows. Are they right all the time. Of course not. The market for nfl coaches are the teams. Despite overall good regular season results the league is not interested in Tomlin's assistant coaches and coordinators. Why? Cause they don't want to win? Cause it's racist rigged? Cmon.
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The problem is, Vegas doesn't set their lines based on how many games they think a team will win. They set their lines based on how they can make the most money. That includes the prevailing attitude of the fanbase for the particular team in the equation.
Same thing with the prognosticators. They don't prognosticate based on what they believe. They prognosticate based on how to get the biggest reaction (i.e. page hits). Wonder why the Steelers are always slammed? Because ten million Steeler fans will jump on that site to tell the prognosticator how much of an idiot they are.
I want to watch this and heard great things about the interview. I feel it will cement how I feel about him as a person and coach. Does he frustrate me? Sure, but Mike Sullivan(Pens) does, too, but I don't think I'd want another coach coaching my team.
I do think the addition of the assistant coaches they hired will improve the team over all. You are only as good as the ones you surround yourself with and the Steelers and HCMT added some nice pieces. Flores is a bonus and I'm looking forward to see how they work and win together.
I do think the addition of the assistant coaches they hired will improve the team over all. You are only as good as the ones you surround yourself with and the Steelers and HCMT added some nice pieces. Flores is a bonus and I'm looking forward to see how they work and win together.
When Vegas sets the Chiefs at minus 3 it isn't cause they think they will lose by 14.
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I certainly can’t speak for everyone, but I really believe that there is at least a segment of the Fanbase that so identifies with Tomlin and his personality gifts that honestly they would rather not win playoff games with him then win playoff games with someone else. At this stage. They are that attached.
Everything really seems to flow from that premise. In terms of his apologists. That’s how many of them can say “you are spoiled!” as a reflexive defense of his tenured status. When in fact we are in the middle of a playoff drought not seen in 50 years.
Some people are just very very proud of Tomlin and having him as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He makes them feel good about their team and their franchise in spite of the drought.
Getting hired...whoopee! As stated, there are 6-8 jobs every year. They gotta hire someone. The point is are they any good? Belechick assistants got hired, but they sucked. Where does that get ya?
I have stated I wish they moved on from Tomlin, but I say that with a caveat. I want guaranteed better. I know that's impossible to know, but I don't care. Tomlin has them in the hunt to one degree or another every year. So, the hypothetical new guy better give more than that, right?
I have stated I wish they moved on from Tomlin, but I say that with a caveat. I want guaranteed better. I know that's impossible to know, but I don't care. Tomlin has them in the hunt to one degree or another every year. So, the hypothetical new guy better give more than that, right?
That's a good point, so how do you fire a SB winning, never had a losing season and everybody from the players to owners love head coach? Do you bring in a Raheem Morris and if he has 3 or 4 losing seasons and then you try someone else? That could easily get you into Browns or Lions territory of a coaching revolving door. I want better, as I'd imagine every fan does, but it doesn't seem like a slam dunk for that to happen. It's a gamble.
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Here’s the issue with the coaching tree: Cowher had multiple assistant coaches hired for head coaching positions primarily because what they were doing was fresh at the time. Think of the 34 defense and what Chan Gailey was doing with Stewart.
Then ask yourself why nobody has wanted to hire our guys away even when they were at their best? The staleness starts at the top. Tomlin and his schemes are behind the rest of the NFL and he has gotten by on talent.
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Do you think any of us are going to have tenure in our jobs or professions if we produce mediocre results and underperform with allotted resources?
No, the only thing being a great guy will get most of us is reassignment to a lesser job within the organization to keep us around.
Even if we were a clergy member being a good guy would not be enough in most cases if the church wasn’t growing.
I think the “good guy” part is getting too much primacy in the argument for retention relative to the question of winning.
No, the only thing being a great guy will get most of us is reassignment to a lesser job within the organization to keep us around.
Even if we were a clergy member being a good guy would not be enough in most cases if the church wasn’t growing.
I think the “good guy” part is getting too much primacy in the argument for retention relative to the question of winning.
This isn't the 1960s anymore. I just believe there really aren't any schemes out there that nobody has seen. Which means that without question the most talented teams are the more successful. Actually I think it is becoming a combination of talent and who, at playoff time, has the least amount of injuries.
Tomlin's schemes aren't behind anybody. Get a big nose in there who can play and good ILB play the scheme will be fine. Get a QB who is willing to play action and can move a little bit and a line that blocks somebody, the scheme will be fine.
What is "underperforming" in your profession? Or better yet, what is "performing?" Do you have to win a championship at your work every year to maintain your job? It is not a good comparison.