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https://steelersnow.com/edj-sports-...-coach-in-2021-in-efficiency-decision-making/ How come this isn’t being discussed… this is a very thorough study of the NFL coaches and speaks to what we have been discussing here… the numbers don’t lie the worse coach in the nfl! And after 15 years how can anyone think this is going to change? He just hired a DC that was blown out in 9 games with the bungals.. and OC that was a journeyman college coach that looked every bit of that his first year… he has a loaded roaster every year that just goes out and wins a 8 or 9 games regardless of his stupid play calling and a HOF qb… and after they get blown out in playoff game we obviously didn’t belong in, the front office and Rooney’s just kinda shrugged and smiled said can’t wait to find a new qb.. woohoo! are you forking kidding me!?!?
 
Clearly I am not a Tomlin supporter. I'd have fired him YEARS ago. Bur these analytics are out of control. Lies, damn lies and stats. If Twain new the term analytics I'm sure he would have come up with an even better phrase. This is all impossible to quantify. Tomlin should be gone for the lack of playoff success with an HOF qb. I don't need analytics to quantify that.
 
I am no Tomlin supporter, but to say he is the worst coach in the league is ridiculous. Atleast the guys like to play for him, or so it seems.
 
Well worst or best, they were all analysed on the same cryteria so there is that.

Like anything you must draw your own conclusion.



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Funny how no one seems to be a Tomlin supporter. Anyone here like the guy? What are your thoughts on the article?
 
I like him and as it has been mentioned, the players seem to like to play for him. McVay thinks he is a good coach, leader and he is coaching in his second SB. Do I think the team could use a fresh perspective? Probably.
There are many changes the team, coaching staff and front office will be going through, so this year is going to be very intriguing to see how it unfolds. They have some money to work with and a lot of holes to fill. Does this team turn it around quickly or do the Dark Times start? There will be a lot of pressure on Tomlin. One of the worst? That's a stretch. A long stretch.
 
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bigben said:
I am no Tomlin supporter, but to say he is the worst coach in the league is ridiculous.
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Yeah there are some polarizing takes and then there are ridiculous ones. I am no fan of Tomlin (to put it lightly), but that's just asinine IMO.
 
Djfan said:
Funny how no one seems to be a Tomlin supporter. Anyone here like the guy? What are your thoughts on the article?
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SteelerSask2 said:
Clearly I am not a Tomlin supporter. I'd have fired him YEARS ago. Bur these analytics are out of control. Lies, damn lies and stats. If Twain new the term analytics I'm sure he would have come up with an even better phrase. This is all impossible to quantify. Tomlin should be gone for the lack of playoff success with an HOF qb. I don't need analytics to quantify that.
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steelcan58 said:
Definitely not a Tomlin fan but to rank that buffoon Staley in the top 5 makes this article lose all credibility.
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Steelworth said:
Yeah there are some polarizing takes and then there are ridiculous ones. I am no fan of Tomlin (to put it lightly), but that's just asinine IMO.
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These guys provided their thoughts on the article. For myself, whenever I hear/read terms such as "rankings are determined by a combination of the company’s proprietary decision-making metrics" my mind translates that to .. "rankings are subjective though posited as analytical and they are definitely easily manipulated." If your rankings/analytics are sound, provide the methodology. It's what all good scientists do. Peer review is a MF'er. But, it keeps folks honest.
 
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Djfan said:
Funny how no one seems to be a Tomlin supporter. Anyone here like the guy? What are your thoughts on the article?
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My biggest problem with Tomlin is he doesn't surround himself with very good coaches nor does it appear he wants to. I think a good leader surrounds himself with the best people possible and delegates responsibility. It's then up to the leader to take in all the information and make a final educated decision. Tomlin appears afraid to delegate and simply uses assistant coaches for fall guys when things go wrong.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Peer review is a MF'er. But, it keeps folks honest.
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Absolutely. It's especially crucial in science & medicine, especially during the crazy uncertain times like now.

And I'll be honest, I didn't even click on the article. I saw the title of the thread and that's all I needed to see, was just not gonna waste my energy. That also sometimes gets me into trouble as I don't get the full story.
 
steelcan58 said:
My biggest problem with Tomlin is he doesn't surround himself with very good coaches nor does it appear he wants to. I think a good leader surrounds himself with the best people possible and delegates responsibility. It's then up to the leader to take in all the information and make a final educated decision. Tomlin appears afraid to delegate and simply uses assistant coaches for fall guys when things go wrong.
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I agree. Also think he is worried about how he looks when guys are drafted but out performed, as we have seen over the last 10 years with draftpicks that keep playing although not the most talented on the roster. Then there is the lack of in game adjustments. Oh,, and then there is the totally unprepared team who cant do a thing till the 2nd qtr.
 
The criticism I do have of Tomlin's in game decisions are that they are all clearly gut feeling. There never seems to be any rhyme or reason. Best example was the Boz debacle. They were starting to run the ball up the Browns *** and were getting the ball after half. Why would you pick then to role a fake kick.
 
Tomlin is not one of the worst HC in the league. He is a mediocre HC that does most things average and produces mediocre results but the NFL has kind of put him up on this pedestal and proclaimed him this great HC. He is clearly not this great coach and all this is a fabrication by the NFL and the Rooneys. That’s my take on Mikey T.
 
I guess there is no point kicking a dead horse we gonna have to dance with who brung us.. but im sick of the free pass coach tomlin keeps getting no one calling him on the carpet over the horrible asskinckings we keep getting to end our seasons… you have got to be a lunatic to think coach tomlin will take us to another super bowl… you could give him his choice of qbs in this league it wouldn't matter… we’re the Pittsburgh Steelers we know football when we see it.. and we know what we are seeing even if we don’t want to admit it.
 
Djfan said:
Funny how no one seems to be a Tomlin supporter. Anyone here like the guy? What are your thoughts on the article?
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Saunders needing a click piece. He’s not a Steelers beat writer, but Pittsburgh Sports writer. He mainly covers Pirates and Pens and a lot of Pitt Basketball. As Buckeye stated, when proprietary metrics based statistics are used to quantify opinions, they are still just…..opinions. No different than those who just watch or evaluate players performing. When he was DK, I don’t believe he was a Tomlin supporter either, so there is that to impact “unbiased metrics”.

Every coach, and I mean every coach isn't perfect. There are always circumstances which impacts a result. Some out of a players control or a coaches control. Andy Reid is still one of the best coaches in the league with a great QB, and he blew the AFCC. So he’s lost more SBs than he’s been in. So will KC fans want him gone if he doesn’t get back next year? Was Harbaugh a better coach after winning in DET? Nope, just a friggin lucky bounce of a kick. He still had a team that played poorly done the end.
 
MT is probably a wonderful man by all accounts and great motivator and said to be inspirational. Guys like his sparkling personality and ability to talk the game. Still does not mean he has a clue about game planning, schemes, X&O’s, adjustments, ect .. like Billick, helluva of PR guy, difference is Brian surrounded himself with good to great coaches and let them coach, the one year he announced he stripping his buddy Fassel and called plays himself but admitted it, no scapegoat. To me this is his last chance, a flop year could cost him job.
 
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steelhurt said:
Tomlin is not one of the worst HC in the league. He is a mediocre HC that does most things average and produces mediocre results but the NFL has kind of put him up on this pedestal and proclaimed him this great HC. He is clearly not this great coach and all this is a fabrication by the NFL and the Rooneys. That’s my take on Mikey T.
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Money post !!!
 
Ike Kelly said:
Saunders needing a click piece. He’s not a Steelers beat writer, but Pittsburgh Sports writer. He mainly covers Pirates and Pens and a lot of Pitt Basketball. As Buckeye stated, when proprietary metrics based statistics are used to quantify opinions, they are still just…..opinions. No different than those who just watch or evaluate players performing. When he was DK, I don’t believe he was a Tomlin supporter either, so there is that to impact “unbiased metrics”.
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Saunders is interesting because at times he has quality articles and others he puts out some really bad takes while trying too hard to sound unbiased.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I like him. I do think he has some things he needs to adjust or change. But I am not onboard the he must go train at this point.
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Odds are if he hasn't adjusted by now he won't. He is out of his element and his stubborn holds the team back. People want to label him mediocre and great. But he isn't one or the other. He is both. He is great at motivating and during the season he has managed to guide the team to staying above the curve with winning seasons. But now that will be tested like never before. Now this is where it gets interesting as what he isn't good at is his decisions. We aren't just talking one phase here either. The offseason player and in game player decisions have been below mediocre. He isn't a good game adjuster either. Now here is the kicker for whatever reason he isn't surrounding himself with coaches that are above capable in this area. Which falls back to his bad decision making. I know there is a few in here that are happy with Tomlin and want him to coach with no end date. And that is their opinion that probably won't go unchanged. But that pendulum of bad decisions has to sway back towards good decisions with or without him. He has been in it a long time in the Not For Long league. I want a competitive team not just at the middle of the season. I want one toward the end and if they are playing in the playoffs I want that to be competitive too. At least that. I want more but at least that. If the pendulum doesn't start to swing in that direction and no changes are made those ugly moments will multiply. A defensive player of the year deserves better than that. A top tier FS deserves better than that. A try hard RB that is held back by a bad Oline deserves better than that. Steelernation deserves better than that.
 
Statistics are like brothers in law…they lie
You can make statistics up to support nearly any point of view.

It’s obvious that MT is neither the best or worse…I’d wager somewhere around the middle (12th-20th) depending what you’re rating him on. He is dangerously average to my eyes but super consistent at it.

Do I want a high floor and low ceiling? Not my type of coach but many teams do much worse.

For me to be successful, as a team/coach/franchise, that happens in second season. We have been pretty brutal at that as of late…which would suggest a time for change. I definitely don’t need a bunch of manipulation of stats and analytics as another form of slamming Tomlin…most of us around here are All
pro vets at that already.
 
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