In memorium to elftardPoloLiar ... and AGW update

[Steeltime]

Temperature changes over the past 25 years (a span every AGW advocate agrees is sufficient to show "climate," not weather):

So temperatures have increased by 0.2 degrees C over that span.

But how much of that is due to CO2 emissions? Research shows about 50%:

Note that the observed trend in HadCRUT4 surface temperatures is nearly cut in half compared to the CMIP5 model average warming over the same period, and the UAH tropospheric temperature trend is almost zero.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/16/half-of-21st-century-warming-due-to-el-nino/

So man-made CO2 emissions account for approximately a 0.1 degree C temperature increase over the past 25 years - or about 0.4 degrees C per century. Just a tad below the 5 degrees projected by Hanson and other AGW alarmists as of 1988.

 

[wig]

While I am not particularly concerned about global warming,

.2 degrees celsius is almost 7 degrees fahrenheit. That is a noticeable change if the trend is constantly upward. For example, if the temperature in the arctic was at an average of say... 20 degrees 25 years ago, it would now be at an average of 27 degrees. And, in fairness, should the trend continue in another 25 years we may expect the average temperature in the arctic to be 34 degrees, which is in fact above melting.

So... Again, I'm not a global warming guy but this article, if accurate does in fact show a concerning trend.

 

[Steeltime]

While I am not particularly concerned about global warming,

.2 degrees celsius is almost 7 degrees fahrenheit.

Nope. An increase of 0.2 degrees C equals an increase of 0.36 degrees F.

T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 (Don't add 32 degrees, as we simply want to see how 0.2 degrees C compares to how much increase F.)

T(°F) = 0.2 x 9/5 = 1.8/5 = 0.36 degrees F.

And as noted above, half that is due to El Nino, so the "carbon" increase over 25 years if 0.18 degrees F, or about 0.7 degrees F per century.

 

[madinsomniac]

Nope. An increase of 0.2 degrees C equals an increase of 0.36 degrees F.

T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 (Don't add 32 degrees, as we simply want to see how 0.2 degrees C compares to how much increase F.)

T(°F) = 0.2 x 9/5 = 1.8/5 = 0.36 degrees F.

And as noted above, half that is due to El Nino, so the "carbon" increase over 25 years if 0.18 degrees F, or about 0.7 degrees F per century.

I was coming here to say the same thing... plus they still ignore direct heating. Light a million little matches in a room and the co2 isn’t what’s causing the heat shift as much as the actual heat from the million little matches.... humans have many millions of direct heat sources ranging from small fires and ovens to huge boliers and jet engines all putting out heat... that doesn’t dissipate to nothing with no temperature consequences...

The actual numbers for supposed greenhouse gas effects are in the noise of the math... they are inconsequential

Co2 needs to be at 1 or 2 percent for what they want to happen to even start happening... that point of no return point is like 5%.... for the record we are currently at .045%.... not even a tenth of a percentage yet... and thats with them intentionally biasing those figures up as high as they can

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'd like to know where the global warming is happening. In western PA we've had very few days over 90* in the last three years. It's been cooler than average and with a record amount of rainfall in 2018.

 

[Vader]

I'd like to know where the global warming is happening. In western PA we've had very few days over 90* in the last three years. It's been cooler than average and with a record amount of rainfall in 2018.

That's weather. It's global warming when it gets hot for a few days.

 

[Steelworth]

I'd like to know where the global warming is happening. In western PA we've had very few days over 90* in the last three years. It's been cooler than average and with a record amount of rainfall in 2018.

It's not global warming anymore, it's climate change!

 

[Steelworth]

And remind me Ron, where exactly is Rochester in the state?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

And remind me Ron, where exactly is Rochester in the state?

About 25 miles northwest of Pittsburgh. If you look on a map right where the Ohio River makes a bend and goes from flowing north to flowing south, that's Rochester.
Tiny little place but the hometown of:
Babe Parilli, former AFL QB and Steelers QB coach in the 70's.
Christina Aguilera, her mother was in my high school class and she lived here for a while. I'd see them at the grocery store and chat. Had no clue she could sing.
Olympian Lauryn Williams, one of like two women to medal in both the summer and winter Olympics. She literally lived around the corner from me, nice kid.
Former Browns LB Kris Griffin.
Former Steelers and Chiefs WR Derek Moye.
Great small school foosball team.

 

[SteelChip]

Great small school foosball team.

LOL....The most memorable thing from my past ( in Rochester, that is ) was a big mouth fat guy sitting in the stands behind me screaming

BOO MONACA

over and over all game. Don't know why I was even at that game but I do know it stayed with me for many many years. May have even scared me some.

 

[IndySteel]

About 25 miles northwest of Pittsburgh. If you look on a map right where the Ohio River makes a bend and goes from flowing north to flowing south, that's Rochester.
Tiny little place but the hometown of:
Babe Parilli, former AFL QB and Steelers QB coach in the 70's.
Christina Aguilera, her mother was in my high school class and she lived here for a while. I'd see them at the grocery store and chat. Had no clue she could sing.
Olympian Lauryn Williams, one of like two women to medal in both the summer and winter Olympics. She literally lived around the corner from me, nice kid.
Former Browns LB Kris Griffin.
Former Steelers and Chiefs WR Derek Moye.
Great small school foosball team.

I used to drive right by there when I would go from Pittsburgh Tube in Monaca to Republic Steel in Beaver Falls.

 

[IndySteel]

Subject: How many coal plants are there in the world today?







How many coal plants are there in the world today?

Green New Deal???


The EU has 468 - building 27 more... Total 495

Turkey has 56 - building 93 more... Total 149

South Africa has 79 - building 24 more... Total 103

India has 589 - building 446 more... Total 1036

Philippines has 19 - building 60 more... Total 79

South Korea has 58 - building 26 more... Total 84

Japan has 90 - building 45 more... Total 135

China has 2,363 - building 1,171 more... Total 3,534

That’s 5,615 projected coal powered plants in just

8 countries.

USA has 15 - building 0 more...Total 15

And Democrat politicians with their "green new deal”

want to shut down those 15 plants in order to "save”

the planet.


Because you could not get many Republicans off the

sofa last November, the Socialist party now runs the

U.S. House Of Representatives.


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is

for good men to do nothing.”


This is EXCELLENT!! I knew the rough idea about

the number of coal plants, but had not yet seen

actual numbers until now.


This makes the point. Whatever the USA does or

doesn’t do won’t make a Tinker’s Dam regarding CO2

unless the rest of the world – especially China and

India – does reduce coal-fired power plants, too.

The whole “global warming” and “climate change”

gambits by Democrats are to create a *supposedly*

sound, scientific basis to justify a federal government

power-grab and the passage of MORE laws to increase

taxes and increased control of the privately owned

power industry and its distribution. Never forget

the *main* motivation they have!

“Oh, we will SAVE the planet!!” 100% Pure Bull@#$!

 

[BLITZ]

I personally wouldn't mind a little climate change. Been to cold here in md last several years

 

[wig]

Damn the maths...

Thank you for correcting me.

 

[Steeltime]

Indy: Nice. I have pointed out repeatedly that India and China have made it abundantly clear that they are not going to remain third-world countries by abandoning fossil fuels, after the West rose to extraordinary economic heights on that very energy source.

"But China makes solar panels!" Yes, because the West is willing to buy them.

 

[Confluence]

"But China makes solar panels!" Yes, because the West is willing to buy them.

only with guvmint subsidies.

literally taking $ from citizens to spend in China for **** that is sub economic.

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[madinsomniac]

Subject: How many coal plants are there in the world today?







How many coal plants are there in the world today?

Green New Deal???


The EU has 468 - building 27 more... Total 495

Turkey has 56 - building 93 more... Total 149

South Africa has 79 - building 24 more... Total 103

India has 589 - building 446 more... Total 1036

Philippines has 19 - building 60 more... Total 79

South Korea has 58 - building 26 more... Total 84

Japan has 90 - building 45 more... Total 135

China has 2,363 - building 1,171 more... Total 3,534

That’s 5,615 projected coal powered plants in just

8 countries.

USA has 15 - building 0 more...Total 15

And Democrat politicians with their "green new deal”

want to shut down those 15 plants in order to "save”

the planet.


Because you could not get many Republicans off the

sofa last November, the Socialist party now runs the

U.S. House Of Representatives.


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is

for good men to do nothing.”


This is EXCELLENT!! I knew the rough idea about

the number of coal plants, but had not yet seen

actual numbers until now.


This makes the point. Whatever the USA does or

doesn’t do won’t make a Tinker’s Dam regarding CO2

unless the rest of the world – especially China and

India – does reduce coal-fired power plants, too.

The whole “global warming” and “climate change”

gambits by Democrats are to create a *supposedly*

sound, scientific basis to justify a federal government

power-grab and the passage of MORE laws to increase

taxes and increased control of the privately owned

power industry and its distribution. Never forget

the *main* motivation they have!

“Oh, we will SAVE the planet!!” 100% Pure Bull@#$!

This is just incorrect... I test at more than 15 coal plants in the US and each of them have several different units within the plant. There are probably 90 left in the US total but probably 20 or 30 are slated to close within two years

 

[IndySteel]

This is just incorrect... I test at more than 15 coal plants in the US and each of them have several different units within the plant. There are probably 90 left in the US total but probably 20 or 30 are slated to close within two years

Well, it was an email so it must be true! Actually I just did a quick search and in 2016 we had over 500 plants. I don't know how many have closed since, but Asia has 4 times as many plants as we do.

 

[madinsomniac]

Well, it was an email so it must be true! Actually I just did a quick search and in 2016 we had over 500 plants. I don't know how many have closed since, but Asia has 4 times as many plants as we do.

We had a LOT of small coal plants... they are all closed now because it wasn’t ever cost effective to add pollution controls to a tiny 100 mw unit

We are ten years from a power grid catastrophe and it will 100% be obamas fault so you republicans will get to gloat

A metric ton of nuke plants are slated to be closed soon and the grid is going to be paper thin on excess power... hope all the tree huggers like super expensive power and brownouts...


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[deljzc]

Coal consumption by country (and a lot of other energy statistics for your pleasure):

https://yearbook.enerdata.net/coal-lignite/coal-world-consumption-data.html

 

[Steelr4evr]

I hear the climate has been changing constantly since the birth of the planet.

 

[madinsomniac]

Coal consumption by country (and a lot of other energy statistics for your pleasure):

https://yearbook.enerdata.net/coal-lignite/coal-world-consumption-data.html

Yep, and there are two things to take away from that... if Dem lawmakers were truely worried about CO2 emissions, they wouldn’t virtually ban coal here then ship it all over seas for other countries to burn... they would just ban harvesting it here....

The second is that new coal plants like Turk in Arkansas are extremely clean and efficient. Had the government subsidized converting or replacing all the outdated plants with clean coal tech, we would be much better off ... much like how super clean nuke plants should have been upgraded to modern safer nuke tech a decade and a half ago... but this was never about reduced emissions... its always been about driving the market share to sources the lawmakers were invested in... thats also why so many clean energy projects never get permits to build... they have the trendy message but the wrong investors...

 

[ark steel]

We had a LOT of small coal plants... they are all closed now because it wasn’t ever cost effective to add pollution controls to a tiny 100 mw unit

We are ten years from a power grid catastrophe and it will 100% be obamas fault so you republicans will get to gloat

A metric ton of nuke plants are slated to be closed soon and the grid is going to be paper thin on excess power... hope all the tree huggers like super expensive power and brownouts...


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Super expensive power has been their goal, so.....

 

[ark steel]

I hear the climate has been changing constantly since the birth of the planet.

That is incorrect. It started about 100 years ago.

 

[Booted]

That is incorrect. It started about 100 years ago.

I thought it started about two and a half years ago.