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Is the NFL fixed ? - After watching that Bills debacle

Steelmann said:
The rule states…you must maintain control of the ball all the way through the catch until your momentum has stopped after hitting the ground.

Show me momentum stoppage with the WR having possession/control of it and I will agree with you.
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You go first and show how it was in the three examples of the opposite call.
 
carbonsteel said:
I don't know what the incentive would be for the NFL to have Buffalo advance or not advance in the playoffs, but there is something that compelled them to first make that terrible call and then to not overturn it to right a wrong.

SOMETHING is wrong with the NFL
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Roger Goodell
 
Refs, and by extension the league, are either putting their thumb on the scale or they’re incompetent. It can’t be both.
 
Confluence said:
You go first and show how it was in the three examples of the opposite call.
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Nothing else matters though. I fully agree there was a knee down. But that does not rule the play stopped or dead instantly. Lack of momentum does. The guy should have hung on to the ball. It was a great play by the DB. And ya…I get there are a ton of inconsistencies. And the refs suck and all that. If that was JP junior taking the ball away we’d be all screaming what a great play,etc,etc. Bills can scream all they want. They had tons of opportunities to win. And their #1 passing Defense let a kid in his second year march down the field like it was nothing when all the chips were down. I have no sympathy for them.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
It's whatever Rog and the refs need it to be.
I'm not saying the whole league is fixed or scripted but I believe they put their thumb on the scales.
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Most certainly the “Rog” has things to make a game be manipulated some the way.

Not every game is touched, but some are and some aren’t, can let the fan catch on…………

Also keep in mind that individual player stats are bet on as well, so Jacking a play here and there occurs as well.




Salute the nation
 
Steelmann said:
The rule states…you must maintain control of the ball all the way through the catch until your momentum has stopped after hitting the ground.

Show me momentum stoppage with the WR having possession/control of it and I will agree with you.
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OR until a football move has been made.
10 Jesse came showed possession
2) Jesse James was down (knee into the ground)
3). Jesse made a football move by turning and diving into the end zone
4) as soon as ball broke the plain, TD as the 3- criteria’s had been satisfied




Salute the nation
 
The Buffalo receiver was going to the ground, falling to the ground etc. etc. while trying to catch the pass. He did not survive the ground. He clearly loses control of the ball, possession of the ball etc. when he hits the ground. If he had been running with the ball and his knee hits the ground while being tackled, it's a completely different scenario. I can't believe the amount of confusion around this play, and I weep for our collective IQ.
 
Steelmann said:
Nothing else matters though. I fully agree there was a knee down. But that does not rule the play stopped or dead instantly. Lack of momentum does. The guy should have hung on to the ball. It was a great play by the DB. And ya…I get there are a ton of inconsistencies. And the refs suck and all that. If that was JP junior taking the ball away we’d be all screaming what a great play,etc,etc. Bills can scream all they want. They had tons of opportunities to win. And their #1 passing Defense let a kid in his second year march down the field like it was nothing when all the chips were down. I have no sympathy for them.
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Deserving or not of a win or a call is irrelevant, or it should be.

There were three other similar plays -- all with the opposite result to the Bills call -- within a week of that game. All are above linked.

Why were they all wrong and the Bills call correct from your position? That is my ask.
 
Stainless said:
The Buffalo receiver was going to the ground, falling to the ground etc. etc. while trying to catch the pass. He did not survive the ground. He clearly loses control of the ball, possession of the ball etc. when he hits the ground. If he had been running with the ball and his knee hits the ground while being tackled, it's a completely different scenario. I can't believe the amount of confusion around this play, and I weep for our collective IQ.
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If the ball touches the ground it’s an incomplete pass. It didn’t, so the call was technically correct. The problem is the inconsistency as well as bad calls and non-calls.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
If the ball touches the ground it’s an incomplete pass. It didn’t, so the call was technically correct. The problem is the inconsistency as well as bad calls and non-calls.
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Personally, on that particular play I thought it was very clear what happened.
 
Confluence said:
Deserving or not of a win or a call is irrelevant, or it should be.

There were three other similar plays -- all with the opposite result to the Bills call -- within a week of that game. All are above linked.

Why were they all wrong and the Bills call correct from your position? That is my ask.
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Dude. Seriously. All I responded to in this thread was on one play. The int play,which obviously I thought was an int and you didn’t.

“ Why were they all wrong and the Bills-call correct from your position “.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Where did I say they were all wrong?

Personally I saw 3 PI’s. one that was not called that they missed all together. In the game day thread I’m sure I said,how is that not PI against Denver. And then….One that was called that was wrong. And one that was called that was right.
 
Confluence said:
Literally the same as the Bills play; opposite ruling.

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They weren’t the same. The receiver completed the catch and had possession before going to the ground and then his knee was down before the ball came out. Nothing remotely similar about them when watched in full.
 
Steelmann said:
Dude. Seriously. All I responded to in this thread was on one play. The int play,which obviously I thought was an int and you didn’t.

“ Why were they all wrong and the Bills-call correct from your position “.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Where did I say they were all wrong?

Personally I saw 3 PI’s. one that was not called that they missed all together. In the game day thread I’m sure I said,how is that not PI against Denver. And then….One that was called that was wrong. And one that was called that was right.
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Dude, seriously, didn't put words in your mouth. You were responding to what I wrote, after linking 3 very similar plays to the Bills blown call.

Please unknot your gitch. Here is what I wrote in response to you:

'There were three other similar plays -- all with the opposite result to the Bills call -- within a week of that game. All are above linked.

Why were they all wrong and the Bills call correct from your position? That is my ask'.

You don't have a response, fine. So be it.
 
What I saw on that game was something that I rarely have seen before.
Josh Allen was not great.
It has been buffaloes path to victory the last several years. They lose when Josh Allen even looks like an average to just slightly above average NFL quarterback. The bills always need Josh Allen to be Superman to win football games.
And no, not ogre’s best friend Superman, but Clark Kent Superman.
 
Djfan said:
I forgot about the whole "survive the ground" thing. I don't know what a catch is anymore
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Neither does the NFL, players, coaches, or anyone else watching the games. 12 year old kids playing backyard football KNOW what a catch is...but a billion dollar enterprise has no clue.
 
Steeler Pride said:
Neither does the NFL, players, coaches, or anyone else watching the games. 12 year old kids playing backyard football KNOW what a catch is...but a billion dollar enterprise has no clue.
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exactly. It seems to me that if Jesse James play was a catch and TD -- possession, knee on ground, football move to goaliine

then the Bills player -- possession, knee on ground, football move roll to back protecting ball, immediately down by rule when touched

also made a catch. Just like Davante Adams also made a catch.
 
Badcat said:
You know the NFL is a **** product when they've explained the rule and we're still arguing over the application of it. Absolute *****!
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Anything to justify the refs.


I don’t want to say it’s rigged between the players, but the officiating itself can change games pretty drastically
 
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